Poll: You're wrong and I can prove it

[Euryalus]

I guess it depends on what you mean by core opinions.

To answer the question, I guess, Yes and no... My views on God and Religion, for example, have changed dramatically and yet at the same time not that dramatically at all. I still believe, but in a way that's not so wishy washy or pedantic as it has been in the past. I've thought a lot about it from both sides and continue to think about it.

My views on politics have headed towards a more "Freedom oriented" stance than they have been in the past (Libertarian-ish), and I'm much less hostile (not that I was ever a torches and pitchforks kind of guy) to other ideas simply because they're fun and worthwhile to think about.

I like to know and experience things. If change is off the table then it means that either I all ready know it all (in regards to these "core opinions") or I have forsaken truth for stubborness.

"It takes the wisest man to know that he knows nothing."

-Socrates

 

[TheIronRuler]

Asking would you change core views, and under what circumstances would you admit to a mistake are different questions.

Yes - and i feel like I change core views every 5 minutes
And it depends on what it is, as to whether I will admit to it! But a lot of views I may change needn't be *mistakes*

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When you look back at your past and see some of the nonesense you held dear as a child or a teenager you begin to think about what nonesense you will think you held dearly today in ten years' time.

 

[The Wykydtron]

I doubt i'll change my values anytime soon because they're really quite simple.

1. Don't be a dick
2. Continue being non-judgemental to a fault (I really can't judge people at all, i'd be a terrible Jury member)
3. (here's the most important one) continue finding interesting things
4. Profit


As for religion i'll just say that if an all-powerful god of some kind does exist he's either dead or insane. I doubt I even have a reason to worship a god if even if he existed for a fact.

I won't expand on it since religion is an absurdly delicate subject and I really can't be bothered with it.

As a note I don't mind if I change way in the future as long as my future self knows that my past (that's present now) self would be ok with the future self.

Basically if I ever go "lol I was such a tard back then" i'll be so disappointed in my future self.

 

[TheIronRuler]

I doubt i'll change my values anytime soon because they're really quite simple.

1. Don't be a dick
2. Continue being non-judgemental to a fault (I really can't judge people at all, i'd be a terrible Jury member)
3. (here's the most important one) continue finding interesting things
4. Profit


As for religion i'll just say that if an all-powerful god of some kind does exist he's either dead or insane. I doubt I even have a reason to worship a god if even if he existed for a fact.

I won't expand on it since religion is an absurdly delicate subject and I really can't be bothered with it.

As a note I don't mind if I change way in the future as long as my future self knows that my past (that's present now) self would be ok with the future self.

Basically if I ever go "lol I was such a tard back then" i'll be so disappointed in my future self.

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You never know what mind altering eent might happen, but it's good to hear you don't go for extremes when you change your mind.

 

[Naroiden]

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?

If I can`t fix it, I will admit it. And there is so much mistake in my past. I don`t want to talk about it.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?

Nothing. I never change my mind.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist?

Nothing. That`s because I am anarchist.

And finally, can you even imagin yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?

I can. I love different opinion.

 

[TheIronRuler]

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?

If I can`t fix it, I will admit it. And there is so much mistake in my past. I don`t want to talk about it.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?

Nothing. I never change my mind.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist?

Nothing. That`s because I am anarchist.

And finally, can you even imagin yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?

I can. I love different opinion.

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What would make you turn away from being an Anarchist?

 

[not_you]

But yeah, if someone explains their viewpoint properly I can change my mind or at least understand their reasoning. Many people aren't great at explaining what they mean.

I doubt I'll ever change big aspects of myself in terms of beliefs. Like, I doubt I'm going to pick up a religion any time soon.

This...

Just this...

Most people I know argue in circles when it's against me... Even when I'm agreeing with them...

"Yes, I understand your point, and it is mostly correct, however..."
(this is my usual response to someone who is partly right..)

And I usually end up repeating myself because they can't understand that they are right and wrong at the same point....

OT: Again, as with the quotee, I highly doubt I'd change my "higher" beliefs... I believe I live by the creedence of the "chaos theory" or at least that's what I think it's called...

Spoiler: If you're bothered to read it.

Since everything is made up of atoms, and they all collide together in a specific way (which is calculable given enough time) we could successfully predict the present/future if all equations were punched into some form of super computer...

anyone who bothered to read it and knows what this is called, I'd be very enlightened to know

But yeah, that's my view anyway...

Edit: poll answer: "I can change some, but many are absolute"

 

[Naroiden]

What would make you turn away from being an Anarchist?

I must be a last human in earth to turn away from being an Anarchist.

 

[Euryalus]

OT: Again, as with the quotee, I highly doubt I'd change my "higher" beliefs... I believe I live by the creedence of the "chaos theory" or at least that's what I think it's called...

Spoiler: If you're bothered to read it.

Since everything is made up of atoms, and they all collide together in a specific way (which is calculable given enough time) we could successfully predict the present/future if all equations were punched into some form of super computer...

anyone who bothered to read it and knows what this is called, I'd be very enlightened to know

But yeah, that's my view anyway...

Edit: poll answer: "I can change some, but many are absolute"

Determinism... Chaos theory is sorta the opposite. Chaos theory in science deals with chaotic structures, where the outcome is always random even if the beginning input and conditions are the same. You can logically follow them backwards, but not forwards.

The opposing ideologies would be indeterminism (a partially chaotic, partially causal world) and non-determinism (a truly chaotic world)

P.S. Indeterminism FTW

EDIT: My bad the Chaos theory your talking about is different. It refers to mathmatical systems where small differences in initial inputs result in very different outcomes. I was talking about the philosophical chaos, sorry... the word your looking for is still determinism though (probably strict determinism)

 

[manic_depressive13]

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?
I admit my mistakes the moment I realise I've made one.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?
In order to accept religion I would need evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist?
I'll never be a capitalist but I can see myself on varying spectrums of the left. Even if repeated trials under reasonable conditions show that communism can't work (and no, that's not yet been established), I don't see how you can deduce from that premise that capitalism is the best option.

And finally, can you even imagine yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?
No. The closest thing I have to a core world view is that it's wrong to cause unecessary harm. Consciously compromising a sentient creature's needs in favour of your personal wants is unacceptable in my eyes. There's obviously a grey area when two party's needs are in conflict. While I am disillusioned in humanity to the point of apathy in most cases, I can't see myself actively supporting the slaughter or oppression of innocents for the sake of a slightly improved quality of life on another's part.

 

[Erana]

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?
I'll admit to being wrong if it means doing what's right. Whether its absolve another of false blame, or even just diffusing an argument caused by an error, I try to admit when I'm wrong, because I really hate it when other people don't. I don't want to be a hypocrite; so if I expect others to be able to admit that they're wrong, I should be able to do it myself.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?
Whatever could do that to me is impossible for me to imagine at the moment; in order for my views to change drastically from what they are now, there would have to be a major change in who I am as a person.

And finally, can you even imagine yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?
Well, there's a good possibility that I might get a sex drive after getting minor brain surgery, so yeah, I'm trying to be open to the idea of a significant change in who I am.

 

[Kolby Jack]

Whatever opinions and beliefs I have now are based on primarily my own knowledge and analysis of said knowledge, and secondarily by the various other opinions blasted at me daily. On a basic level, I am the same person I have been my whole mature life, and any difference of opinion between my past self and my current self is based solely on the fact that my past opinions were based on incomplete knowledge, and the acquisition of further knowledge caused me to reevaluate my beliefs and change them where I saw fit. It's an ongoing process as well, as I am always learning knew things. Basically, If I knew then what I know now, I'd essentially be the same person then as I am now.

Personalities are pretty much set in stone once you reach maturity (debatably, even set in stone at birth). Yes, people can change in superficial ways and can go against their own nature, but those aren't really changes to the core person.

As for admitting mistakes, I usually own up to my mistakes when they happen (though if nobody catches on or cares, I prefer to keep quiet if admitting it would cause me trouble). But I don't lie and I don't make excuses, with few exceptions. I find life to be much simpler (if a little bumpier sometimes) if you're completely honest.

 

[King of Asgaard]

1. If I'm wrong, and someone can prove it, I'll admit to my mistakes.

2. I have renounced my faith in the past. I'm an atheist now, but I wasn't always.
I just couldn't look past all the awful crap that happens in the world with the cop-out argument 'God works in mysterious ways' so I replaced blind faith with reasoning and cynicism.

3. Well, I am a capitalist, so yeah.

4. Same as in 1.) above. Proof or GTFO.

 

[Robot Number V]

What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?

If something I've done in the past is proven to my satisfaction to have been a mistake, then I'll admit it was a mistake. Pretty straight forward.

What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith or repent?

Well, I'll change my mind if I think one thing is better then another thing. That's...how logic works. I have no idea what you're looking for here. Anyway, as an agnostic, I don't really have "faith" in anything, but if I do something wrong I'll feel bad about it. Doesn't everyone?

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist? (Applies to any socio-economic policy, so answer if you're not either and state your wolrd view in this matter)

Are you...asking me what my political views are? I'm going to assume you are. I'm more left-leaning then right, but I support policies from both sides. For example, I think we should be taxing the wealthy like crazy, but I also think that welfare should be REALLY goddamn hard to get.

And finally, can you even imagine yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?

Sure. It's happened before. Plenty of times, actually. It'd take a pretty stubborn bastard to not even IMAGINE that possibility.

Sorry if I'm coming off as a bit snarky here, but some of these questions seem kind of redundant. I mean, why ELSE would I admit to making a mistake, other then what I answered?

 

[Lieju]

Well, there's always the possibility a head-trauma will totally change my personality.
Then I guess the question would be whether that will be me anymore. The same if I'll get Alzheimer's or something.

My opinions on a lot of things aren't really based on much information. I don't really know anything about economy, for example, so I can see my opinions changing on it.
(Although I try to admit if I don't really know something and not to be vocal about stuff I don't know much about)

But something like my core values about gay or women's rights, or the importance of scientific method? They are based on pretty solid facts.

So unless you can prove gayness will attract evil world-devouring aliens or something, I don't see my views on those changing. And even then I wouldn't say being gay is wrong, just that it has some rather unfortunate side-effects.

 

[Yopaz]

I will admit mistakes if I am convinced it was a mistake with no thoughts spared on it. If I could say I have made no mistakes I would be the biggest liar ever. I'm living a mistake right now hoping it turns out better than expected.

Changing my views or faith is pretty hard. I could change my views in politics slightly, but nothing drastic. I want a balance between socialism and rights, but the balance might shift a lot. Making me anything but an Atheist however is impossible with the exception of some god actually appearing in front of me proving he's got almighty powers. I always felt something was off and unrealistic when I was a kid and heard stories from the bible and I jumped on the evolution theory as soon as I got to know of it.

 

[Jonluw]

Evidence, in all cases.
I don't know what to say, other than evidence is what it's about.

I couldn't really see my core values changing, because "evidence and rationality" are pretty much my core values.

 

[Bvenged]

I was thinking about a regular argument I have with my brother where I will not stand down as I'm adamant he's wrong, but that's not opinion - we're arguing over a fact, and he's being a twat about it.

I suppose the reality is, I hold my opinions deer and won't be afraid to express them, but when someone counters them (or I counter someone elses), I'll reflect upon my own original thoughts afterwards with theirs in mind.

So my core opinions will never, ever do a U-turn, but they will always adjust to accommodate additional view seen by others.
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"What will make you admit a mistake you made/"What will make you admit to a mistake you've done in the past?"

Just the knowledge that I made a mistake. Learn from my mistakes. Only specific situations would alter that one.

"What will make you change your mind, renounce your faith, or repent?

Proof that religion is a good guideline to live your life by... as an atheist and anthropologist, I disagree.

What will make you a dirty communist or a greedy capitalist?

Only thinking about the money. Fuck the money. All you need is enough of the stuff to live comfortably - any more than that and you're smart and fortunate, nothing more. If you're a millionaire and you're still trying to get richer... Fuck you, you greedy economy-ruining ****. Keeping all that money in your account does not help the economy or anyone else. It's selfish.

And finally, can you even imagine yourself holding a different opinion on some of your more core aspects of your personality and world view?

Hmm. Maybe. I've answered that above.

 

[TheIronRuler]

I edited the opening post:

Opinions can be about women's rights, socio-economic policy, Gay's rights, minority rights, racism, God in politics, etc. I want to hear you people!

 

[Krantos]

Yes. I've held different Core values in the past. Why should I think I won't some day in the future?

An old Girlfriend I had bugged me to abstraction with the way she firmly held to her beliefs, while admitting that she'd held different beliefs in the past. Specifically, she was born Catholic and, when presented with other denominations, insisted (at the time) Catholicism was the only right way to go. After she had eventually 'converted' to another denomination of Christianity, she insisted THAT was the only right way. When I pointed out that (according to her) she'd been wrong in the past, which meant she could just as easily be wrong now, she got pissed at me.

Yeah, she's one of the reasons that I, while still being a Christian, don't associate myself much with christian organizations.