Poser movies...Seriously

[matrix3509]

I have been watching the previews and trailers for the movies The Watchmen and Push. Now correct me if I am wrong but are these movies just a star wars and a batman movie just without the marvel rights? And George Lucas rights?
Correct me if I am wrong but here I go
Push has the same styled crap as the force and has the same basic story line from what i see just this time the Jedi are hated and trying to be recruited for evil deeds of some sort.
The Watchmen, from what I have seen, their heroes look very familiar to those in the other actual hero movies, batman wolverine, ect

What you guys think?

I will let your comment about the Watchmen slide because you haven't read the comic. Srsly read the comic before you go making ignorant statements like that. There is a good reason why the Watchmen is one of the most successful graphic novels of all time. I'm not going so say the movie is going to be perfect. It won't be. It will most likely be a very shallow interpretation of the comic, but I'm still going to go see it.

 

[Faeanor]

Push reminds me way too much of Jumper, just with slightly altered powers. I haven't seen Jumper and I don't plan on seeing Push so it's all good.

 

[videonerd250]

And personally, Push reminds me a bit of Jumper. It looks somewhat interesting but the idea won't be explored to its full potential and inevitably will be awful.

Wow, I was saying EXACTLY this to my friend just the other day...as for people who say "think of new super powers," can there be any "new" powers that would create a decent movie/tv show? Everything has been done before.

 

[Pseudonym2]

I have been watching the previews and trailers for the movies The Watchmen and Push. Now correct me if I am wrong but are these movies just a star wars and a batman movie just without the marvel rights? And George Lucas rights?
Correct me if I am wrong but here I go
Push has the same styled crap as the force and has the same basic story line from what i see just this time the Jedi are hated and trying to be recruited for evil deeds of some sort.
The Watchmen, from what I have seen, their heroes look very familiar to those in the other actual hero movies, batman wolverine, ect

What you guys think?

Just wow. Seriously before you post you might want to check the wiki site on certain things. Watchmen for example.

Watchmen is the product of DC buying out Charlton Comics. Originally the concept was to give a send off to some of the Charlton characters that they couldn't use. Over time this idea morphed into strong references to current characters and it was taken in a darker direction. Watchmen is considered the firstly really "mature" superhero comic.

The point of the comic is very much to take some classic superhero archtypes and filter them through the real world. It asks if by their nature a 'superhero' is a right wing and negative thing.

Night Owl II - is actually more of a play on Blue Beetle (Charlton) than Batman, Night Owl I is obivously 60s Batman. He is the millionaire playboy archtype.

Rorscharch - is I think (if I remember correctly) half Mr A and Question (Charlton). The conspiracy theorists with fedora. This is more of a throw back to the pulp detective heroes who were overly violent and aggressive.

Dr Manhattan - Superman's political impact and Captain Atom (Charlton) themes.

The Comedian - Not actually sure who the Charlton equivalent is but certainly an influential character. Hell he seems to have more in common with the Joker than any hero (seeing everything as a joke). An obvious comment on right-wing pro-American characters like old style Captain America but brutally subverted.

1 Dc has rights to all the Charlton, they just chose integrated them into the DCU. The question just finished her own miniseries and Peacemaker is supporting character in Blue Beetle. Alan Moore had to do a quick rewrite.
2 Night Owl I is a policeman and it therefore more likely to be be Blue Beetle 1. Night owl didn't become a millionaire until after he published his book.
3 The comedian is an obscure character called Peacemaker.
4 Ozymandias is an even more obscure character called thunderbolt
5 I'm pretty sure Silk Spectre is Nightshade.

 

[willard3]

Staying OUT of the Watchmen discussion/argument/catfight because I never read the graphic novel, but probably should.

I just stumbled across the trailer for Push via a rollover banner ad, and I'm at least intrigued. Then again, I was intrigued by Jumper, and that turned out to be a pile of shit, but a RENTABLE pile of shit. I'm willing to see how Push gets reviewed, but I'm still going to see it eventually.

 

[dangerousdave_42]

honestly I am intrigued by watchmen now push on the other hand looks so bad I could stab my eyeballs out with a fork and have a better time here is the clip that made me arrive at that conclusion
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/dor/objects/820010/push/videos/Push_Telekinetic_Gun_Fight_11409.html

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

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I'm sorry, but do even know ANYTHING about Watchmen?

And Push didn't strike me as a Star Wars rip-off. It seemed more like Heroes the Movie.

Too right. But if they made a Heroes movie it would suck. They couldn't fit all the plot twists in and such. Complaining about the Watchmen movie being unoriginal strikes me as being rather silly. It is going to be based on the comic book, so it won't come up with something that is completely original. Then it wouldn't be a Watchmen movie.

 

[Rshady]

Couldn't disagree more with the OP's assumptions about Watchmen. The characters are much, much more interesting then Batman and Co. I'll be very surprised if it doesn't turn out to be a brilliant film.

The other film I have no knowledge of, so I won't comment

 

[Littaly]

The Watchmen, from what I have seen, their heroes look very familiar to those in the other actual hero movies, batman wolverine, ect

Don't blame you. That's what I thought when I saw the trailer too (although I did think it looked awesome).

Then I read the comic and I got what it was all about ^^ I recommend you read it, if only to join the bitching when the movie comes out ^^

 

[Valandar]

As for Push, I just watched that "telekinetic gunfight"...

Telekinesis enough to parry bullets with 'shields', and the best they can come up with is using it to fire guns? Come on, a teeny tiny bubble of TK field could stop blood flow to the brain... a small amount of force could blow up their heart... any number of more creative things could be done.

 

[MarsProbe]

I'm not going to comment on The Watchmen issue, I have also yet to read the graphic novel, but hopefully will before I see the film. Aprt from the fact that the OP is wrong
in this case.

As for Push...well, the first thing I thought of with the trailer was Heroes meet Jumper. Or it looks like Jumper, but with more powers than just randomly teleporting everywhere. Still looks instantly forgettable though.

Edit: just watched the telekinetic gun fight. Well, besides the smartass hero getting smacked down at the end of the clip the funny part has to be when he taunts the psychic guy, saying he won't be able to get into his in before smartass fires the gun with his mind. The fact that Mr Psychic is actually able to knock the gun away with his hand before Mr Hero can react pretty much says it all. If that's the best the good guys can do, maybe they deserve to die as is predicted.

 

[sheic99]

Ummmm didn't hear about Push, was that the one with Anakin?

Except good.

And watchmen is totally different from other comics, more cynical, more realistic. Truly in Watchmen there is only 1 real SUPERhero, Dr. Manhattan, who is like Superman, but if superman was bored with humanity, and every chick he knocks up gets cancer.
Nite owl is like Batman whose given up on crime.

Rosarch is like the punisher without a gun, whose also a super detective

Oyzmandias is Dr. Doom, who wants to bring world peace.

And last but not least is the Silk Spectre, who is wonder woman who has no powers, and is struggling to be normal(in my opinion).

opps, forgot the comedian

The Comedian, a captain America who represents a more cynical look on America.

Rorschach is actually Mr. A, and the Comedian is nihilistic, not cynical. To op, the reason they seem similar is that Alan Moore based them all on existing characters.

 

[Bored Tomatoe]

Push follows the exact same story as Jumper...

 

[Marv21]

Ummmm didn't hear about Push, was that the one with Anakin?

Except good.

And watchmen is totally different from other comics, more cynical, more realistic. Truly in Watchmen there is only 1 real SUPERhero, Dr. Manhattan, who is like Superman, but if superman was bored with humanity, and every chick he knocks up gets cancer.
Nite owl is like Batman whose given up on crime.

Rosarch is like the punisher without a gun, whose also a super detective

Oyzmandias is Dr. Doom, who wants to bring world peace.

And last but not least is the Silk Spectre, who is wonder woman who has no powers, and is struggling to be normal(in my opinion).

opps, forgot the comedian

The Comedian, a captain America who represents a more cynical look on America.

Rorschach is actually Mr. A, and the Comedian is nihilistic, not cynical. To op, the reason they seem similar is that Alan Moore based them all on existing characters.

Mr. A?

Regardless, ya I choose the wrong word for the Comedian, but I had no idea they were based off the charcters etc. Except I knew that Nite owl had too much in common with the bat.

 

[Adam Jenson]

Mr. A?

A character created by Steve Dikto way back when. Funny cause the character was the inspiration for another of Ditko's creation The Question, whom Rorschach was modeled on.

 

[flare09]

I actually thought Push was a bit similar to Jumper. But Jumper looked, and was actually cool.

 

[sheic99]

Ummmm didn't hear about Push, was that the one with Anakin?

Except good.

And watchmen is totally different from other comics, more cynical, more realistic. Truly in Watchmen there is only 1 real SUPERhero, Dr. Manhattan, who is like Superman, but if superman was bored with humanity, and every chick he knocks up gets cancer.
Nite owl is like Batman whose given up on crime.

Rosarch is like the punisher without a gun, whose also a super detective

Oyzmandias is Dr. Doom, who wants to bring world peace.

And last but not least is the Silk Spectre, who is wonder woman who has no powers, and is struggling to be normal(in my opinion).

opps, forgot the comedian

The Comedian, a captain America who represents a more cynical look on America.

Rorschach is actually Mr. A, and the Comedian is nihilistic, not cynical. To op, the reason they seem similar is that Alan Moore based them all on existing characters.

Mr. A?

Regardless, ya I choose the wrong word for the Comedian, but I had no idea they were based off the charcters etc. Except I knew that Nite owl had too much in common with the bat.

It was a comic by Steve Ditko that Alan Moore named as an influence and also Question man. The Nite Owl was more based on the Blue Beetle, The Comedian was the Peacemaker.

 

[Adam Jenson]

Mr. A?

A character created by Steve Dikto way back when. Funny cause the character was the inspiration for another of Ditko's creation The Question, whom Rorschach was modeled on.

The Question actually reads Watchmen in one issue and tries to be like Rorschach, only to be horribly beaten up.

Yeah! He then says "Rorschach Sucks" that was hilarious.