Pre-Order Bonus Shennanigans
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I can see where your frustration is coming from, but I can also see what they mean by "buy the box tailored to your playstyle."
For the most part, gamers have prefered classes. In FPS's, some people prefer sniping over everything else, some prefer to run around like a madman with a shotgun. In RPG's, some people prefer being tanks, others rogues, others mages, etc. As such, judging by the information you've been given, you can get a general idea about what kind of class those bonuses will be good for. A sneaky-sneak? A more magic-centric character? A ninja assassin? When I got Dark Siders 2, for instance, I didn't know anything about the game, but taking one look at the skill tree I knew I wanted to go into the Magic side rather than the Combat side. Why? Because I like mages more than warriors.
When picking up Skyrim, I had never played it before, but I already knew exactly what I wanted to do with it: be a sneaky assassin, creeping through the dungeons, and if I get caught, whip out the Destruction magic. It proved very effective in keeping the game both fun and challenging. I knew well before getting the game the type of character that I would be playing.
Granted, people make alts/new characters for new playthroughs. And oh poo, you don't get the three nifty bonuses for your new character type. Personally I think it's not that big of a deal so long as you make sure that the bonuses you DO get are good for the type of class that you want to play.
Beyond that, it's no different than console-exclusive content. For example, Soul Calibur 4 gave PS3 players Darth Vader and 360 players Yoda. Numerous other games have done stuff like this as well. Does that mean you should go out and buy a new console and another copy of the game just so you can get ALL the bonus bits?
Another way to look at it is at least you're getting SOMETHING. How about the people that aren't preordering it? They don't get any class bonuses at all.
For the most part, gamers have prefered classes. In FPS's, some people prefer sniping over everything else, some prefer to run around like a madman with a shotgun. In RPG's, some people prefer being tanks, others rogues, others mages, etc. As such, judging by the information you've been given, you can get a general idea about what kind of class those bonuses will be good for. A sneaky-sneak? A more magic-centric character? A ninja assassin? When I got Dark Siders 2, for instance, I didn't know anything about the game, but taking one look at the skill tree I knew I wanted to go into the Magic side rather than the Combat side. Why? Because I like mages more than warriors.
When picking up Skyrim, I had never played it before, but I already knew exactly what I wanted to do with it: be a sneaky assassin, creeping through the dungeons, and if I get caught, whip out the Destruction magic. It proved very effective in keeping the game both fun and challenging. I knew well before getting the game the type of character that I would be playing.
Granted, people make alts/new characters for new playthroughs. And oh poo, you don't get the three nifty bonuses for your new character type. Personally I think it's not that big of a deal so long as you make sure that the bonuses you DO get are good for the type of class that you want to play.
Beyond that, it's no different than console-exclusive content. For example, Soul Calibur 4 gave PS3 players Darth Vader and 360 players Yoda. Numerous other games have done stuff like this as well. Does that mean you should go out and buy a new console and another copy of the game just so you can get ALL the bonus bits?
Another way to look at it is at least you're getting SOMETHING. How about the people that aren't preordering it? They don't get any class bonuses at all.
That right there is a trap. You can only use the gold key once for a account, not per character, Per Account. Use it too soon, you get a decent weapon or two, but useless after a few levels. But once you open the chest, no more key, and if you start a new character, no chest. Best to wait until level 50, than get loot that doesnt become useless right off the bat.KingsGambit said:
Or sign-up for Gearbox's Shift [https://shift.gearboxsoftware.com/home].
OT: Yeah, it sucks when you cant get something because you pre-ordered the game from elsewhere. But it really doesnt matter all that much in most cases, as the pre-order bonus may usually be things that only make the start of the game easier.
Yes, using arbitrary factors like the store that supplies the game in determining what content people have access to is a step beyond my regular hatred of pre-order bonuses, day 1 or on-disc DLC, etc., because at least those have some logic to them.
At first I thought this was going to be something like what Fallen Earth did, where one place gave you a kinda sucky ATV (but still, ATV from lvl 1 is sweet enough), from steam you got a custom in-game shirt with some fair bonuses, and another place gave you something like a custom pet or mount, I don't quite remember. I was fine with this, all the items were quite insignificant (even the first few horses available are far better than the starter ATV for example), the only truly useful item was the Steam shirt which had some decent stats you wouldn't end up swapping out until quite a lot later in the game (most shirts doesn't even have a bonus, at least not last I played...).
This pre-order deal seems pretty extensive though. You seem to get a lot of content from every one of those places, which is a very strange and possibly not a very clever thing to do. Would it be more acceptable if you could buy these pieces induvidually as DLC later down the line? I'll leave that question hanging...
This pre-order deal seems pretty extensive though. You seem to get a lot of content from every one of those places, which is a very strange and possibly not a very clever thing to do. Would it be more acceptable if you could buy these pieces induvidually as DLC later down the line? I'll leave that question hanging...
I really wish we would go back to the old days of preordering where you got something physical for it instead of DLC that I don't use more than twice 90% of the time.
Also since I support our malevolent overlords known as Gamestop, I just get whatever preorder stuff they have.
Also since I support our malevolent overlords known as Gamestop, I just get whatever preorder stuff they have.
All the DX:HR pre-order content is available on Steam. It's the "Explosive Mission" and "Tactical Enhancement" pack, if I remember correctly.bl4ckh4wk64 said:
Well, we've known about the "girlfriend class" for months prior to the game's release. It doesn't take the same amount of work as an entirely new set of missions (which require voice acting/level design/etc). I'm sure that Gearbox was working on this concurrently, but I give them the benefit of the doubt because:KingsGambit said:
(a) they're a developer that seems highly committed to fan satisfaction, with a CEO who always makes himself available to the media and the fanbase (Pitchford)
(b) they explained quite clearly what it was, and why it was being developed.
(c) I trust that their business practices are more ethical than that of EA, who pretends that they don't develop this content and sneak it onto the disc for people to buy later.
Yea, thought I said that but it looks like I just stated what was and segwayed straight into what should be. They should eventually have the pre-order DLC avaiable for Dishonored much like what happened with Human Revolutions.crazyrabbits said:
There's a window between the game being done and the game being released where the developers have nothing to do.crazyrabbits said:
It only makes sense to start work on DLC during that time.
To plan for it and to use it for marketing is pretty clever.
And to give it away for free shows that they're not dickholes.
It's win-win-win.
It's all so that a certain retailer can get more day 1 sales than another. By way of simply trying to do business, it's just another business practice to make more money. But I still think it's bullshit either way.
was abit suprised by this since ive wanting it on STEAM.. but after googling i found this http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-07-27-dishonored-pre-order-bonuses-revealed it says they are downloadable.. i think they will be released later on to buy for a small amount.. like Deus Ex: Human Revolution also had different preorder bonus things and 1-2 months after you could buy them as DLC for lik 1-2 euros on steam.. not that bad imo.
But yeah its a douchebag move by developers
But yeah its a douchebag move by developers
What, exactly, are these bonuses? Pre-ordering bonuses have always seemed insipid and vestigial. So... are you upset that content will be missed, or that you won't be able to get all the insipidly vestigial crap they try to offer to make you waste time with pre-orders?
If you've ever played an MMO, there are usually, fairly useless, items people get for being a beta-tester or whatever, and you learn to not worry about not having those. I suggest taking two hours of Maplestory each day until you come to terms with missing out on pointless things.
If you've ever played an MMO, there are usually, fairly useless, items people get for being a beta-tester or whatever, and you learn to not worry about not having those. I suggest taking two hours of Maplestory each day until you come to terms with missing out on pointless things.
End of the world? No. Publishers nickel and diming us and giving us a raw deal? Giving us "broadened appeal" garbage? Yes. Putting up too many hurdles? Yes. Making piracy more attractive? Yes. Each of these things compromises the games we end up with.Bhaalspawn said:
Stop accepting garbage and grow a pair.
Let me put it this way: Pre-Order DLC is shit.
Fallout: New Vegas is a case in point, 4 pieces of DLC that was slapped together with no effort, you got:
A grenade launcher that didn't work with any explosives perks or explosive based achievements.
A 10mm handgun that didn't qualify as a hold-out weapon like every other 10mm in the game.
A shotgun that didn't qualify as a shotgun for every shotgun perk and achievement in the game.
And some other crap I don't really remember.
So, essentially, what OP is writing about is nothing new and these "bonuses" will basically detract from the core gameplay.
These types of things usually have nonexistent upgrade paths, are overpowered to the point of faceroll in the early game, and are underpowered to the point of being useless later. Just don't pre-order.
Fallout: New Vegas is a case in point, 4 pieces of DLC that was slapped together with no effort, you got:
A grenade launcher that didn't work with any explosives perks or explosive based achievements.
A 10mm handgun that didn't qualify as a hold-out weapon like every other 10mm in the game.
A shotgun that didn't qualify as a shotgun for every shotgun perk and achievement in the game.
And some other crap I don't really remember.
So, essentially, what OP is writing about is nothing new and these "bonuses" will basically detract from the core gameplay.
These types of things usually have nonexistent upgrade paths, are overpowered to the point of faceroll in the early game, and are underpowered to the point of being useless later. Just don't pre-order.
I agree, but it's difficult to know who's being truthful with their statements regarding when said DLC was created - some cases have seen DLC put into production months before development of the main game ended, yet it was passed off as a separate entity done altogether.Denamic said:
That said, pre-order bonuses are totally cool with me. I don't mind a bit of competition, as long as the component pieces are made available (either as DLC or on the inevitable GOTY edition) later on.
... Meh?
I rarely buy new (Aside form my big must-buys of the year), so I really couldn't care.
Look, I have no idea what the bonuses are. If they're in-game stuff like missions, I'm expecting Arkane to eventually release it as DLC after Dishonoured comes out.
Also, here's a brainwave- ORDER IT ONLINE FROM THE STORE WITH THE BEST PRE-ORDER TO GET WHAT YOU WANT AND AND STOP ACTING LIKE BETHESDA OR ARKANE OWE YOU PERSONALLY. THEY'RE MAKING A GAME, IT'S THEIR DECISION HOW IT'S MADE, GROW UP.
I rarely buy new (Aside form my big must-buys of the year), so I really couldn't care.
Look, I have no idea what the bonuses are. If they're in-game stuff like missions, I'm expecting Arkane to eventually release it as DLC after Dishonoured comes out.
Also, here's a brainwave- ORDER IT ONLINE FROM THE STORE WITH THE BEST PRE-ORDER TO GET WHAT YOU WANT AND AND STOP ACTING LIKE BETHESDA OR ARKANE OWE YOU PERSONALLY. THEY'RE MAKING A GAME, IT'S THEIR DECISION HOW IT'S MADE, GROW UP.
Close enough, except often Gamestop gets exclusive bonuses above and beyond what everyone else does. Like Borderlands 2, where you unlock some arena thing on top of the other pre-order stuff everyone else was offering. This pisses me off.KingsGambit said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but BLT users only get it free if they bought it as a pre-order, no? You need to be a premiere club member, which is more or less like project 10 dollar far as I can tell (or worse if it's PRE-ORDER only). The Mecromancer is like ten bucks if you don't have it.Denamic said:
I love it when a gamer accepts any garbage the publisher is willing to foist! You're the worst kind of gamer, the kind that rolls over and is grateful for scraps and encourages publisher's to even more cunning ways of taking more money for less game.Bhaalspawn said:
Would you accept a car with 3 wheels? Or 80mins of a 90min movie? Instead of insisting on quality and fair practices you're content to be run over roughshod. I already do vote with my wallet; that's the reason for the thread. Maybe you need to grow the fuck up and get a clue. You're being sold turds and taking them gratefully.
If you aren't done with your passive-aggressive flaming, have the decency to do so via PM and say whatever you like. You can call me whatever childish names you feel the need to but kindly allow the thread to at least resembly a mature discussion.
The grown ups are discussing how this isn't as simple as you've just phrased it. If you would like to join them, feel free. But typing something simple and specious in caps and then telling others who are really addressing the issue to grow up is kind of funny.Gone Rampant said: