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TWP [deprecated]

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I'm from Argentina, and I'll try to give you an opinion on how things look from the outside like the first guy asked.

I think it was Frank Zappa who said that the difference between your political parties is that Republicans drink CocaCola and Democrats PepsiCola, and that's representative of the differences they have on foreign affairs. I don't know how a Democrate president would have reacted to the 9/11 attacks. Maybe he would have attacked Afghanistan out of the need to "do something" but not Irak, but who can say?

From the outside, your country (along with England and a couple of others) is seeing as imperialistic, as attacking others to steal their resources, as highly hypocrite -saying A and doing B-, and the reasons for attacking Irak were seeing as a bunch of lies. And from a (maybe) purelly Latin American perspective, highly hypocrite in regards to "free trade", since your government's recipies (100% independent of the rulling party) for Latin America's "development" are never actually applied to the US (for example, reducing or eliminating agricultural subsidies). The US never eliminates them, because it knows that doing that would drive farmers to bankrupcy, since they can't compete with us; why? Because your farmers have a certain quality of life that ours never had. However, your governments have done everything in their power to force LATAM countries to eliminate their subsidies (and let's not even talk to prevent agrarial reform, which is the first thing the US did: the land if for the people that works it, not for the ones who can buy it and then just employ peasants). "Free trade" is just for the Third World, First World countries protect their companies and markets (Europe does the exact same thing) because they know neo-liberal "recipies" are country-destroying stuff.

These things are not going to change if a Democrat is elected, or if another Republican is elected, so from the outside (Third World in my case), it's basically the same.

And for being the "most succesful democracy", knowing that only half of your population actually votes, meaning that your president gets elected with the actual approval of only 25% of the people, creates a lot of doubts about your democracy (at least for the people that cares about these matters). It's clear that both parties are just "puppets" of the actual power in capitalist societies: enterprises (it's the same here in Argentina), and that 50% of your population feels that way (you can say that they don't care to vote since they know they'll agree with either candidate... but I don't think so). So once again, if both candidates mean the same to you, they most surely mean the same for everybody outside the US.
 

TWP [deprecated]

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Someone above said that, even though Democracy is clearly the best we have at this point in human history, people don't seem to have trust on it. Argentineans feel in the exact same way. And we even had a brutal 6-year dictatorship that killed 30.000 people and launched us into a completely idiotic war with England over Falklands. But both of our parties are seen as corrupt and never actually caring about people's needs.

The problem with our democracies is the power that big business and money can exert on them, because they fund candidates. Because small candidates and minor parties can NEVER dream of winning anything. That's what should be corrected as soon as possible, with clear rules in regards to funding on political campaings. Big business should never be allowed to fund candidates, this way money becames critical for them, they then have to return favours, and the needs of the people go down the drain. Big business interests are not the same as the people's interests... I would go as far as to say that they are NEVER the same.
 

Russ Pitts

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What if one candidate were to promise to expand trade negotiations to include video game sales [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/issue/93/14]?
 

Russ Pitts

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You have to be a citizen to vote. But I bet they'd appreciate it if you funneled some of your pirate munnies toward their campaign. :)
 

Joe

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Check out the McCain-Feingold act. It limits, or tries to, the way candidates can accept campaign finance. Pretty good stuff.

Also, I saved a speech by Al Gore [http://waterthread.org/?page_id=192] talking about how votes are pretty much something you can buy in terms of television air time. It's pretty interesting, damning and makes me wish he'd run again, if only because he's shown a smidgeon of honesty about the whole process.
 

TWP [deprecated]

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We have an election here next Sunday. It's for the Mayor of Buenos Aires. There are 3 main candidates with chances (the rest of the country's provinces will have just 2, one of each party when their election time comes however), and the amount of money they're throwing makes perfectly clear that nobody without their financial possibilities stands a chance of competing with their publicity/advertising power. One of them is a business man (linked to several dirty practices in his past), other is our actual president's puppet (and has the ruling party's political support), and the other has been governing the city for the last two years (so he's using the city's money to fix EVERY AVAILABLE street and get the votes).

The other candidates will amount to maybe 5% of the votes that these three fail to get. They had a debate last week, their proposals were completely vacuous, no one said anything concrete, just "we are going to do this" (never HOW they are going to do it) and a poll a couple of weeks ago showed that 60% of the population will decide their vote based on what they see on TV... democracy is the best system by far, but we surely need to fix it.
 

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Joe, the McCain-Feingold Act doesn't do what you think it does. Read it closely and ponder the implications; you're out of step with your own civil libertarianism and vocal politicking in supporting it, I think. It's one of the most restrictive laws on free political speech ever enacted. And it certainly hasn't taken the money out of politics: Post M-F, campaign financing costs more than ever, despite TV advertising being cheaper than in the past, despite Internet advertising being widely available, despite radio and print costing less.

As far as America being further right than the rest of the world, we're certainly further right than much of social democratic Europe and socialist Latin America. Are we really all that further right than Singapore, Japan, or South Korea?
 
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No, America is really not all that further right than the country with 6 million North Korean missiles aimed at it every day, the country that unilaterally harvests thousands of endangered whales every year for "scientific research", or the country where you need a licence to chew bubble gum. Would you want it to be?
 

TWP [deprecated]

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I think a good solution to organize campaign financing would be to provide a certain amount of free air time (TV, radio, Internet is probably beyond this kind of control however, although some measures could try to restrict the amount of websites dedicated to each campaign) to each party and candidate (the same amount) when the elections approach. This way money would be removed as a factor from the equation and the amount of time would be the same for everybody. Candidates would probably need to give concrete proposals instead of winning by endless repetition of empty phrases.
 

Ajar

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Here in Canada broadcasters are required to give a certain amount of airtime to each party and campaigns are conducted with mostly public funding (distributed based on certain rules, which have been significantly reformed over the last decade).
 

Archon

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Fraser, it's easy to cherry-pick the flaws of a nation and make it sound like a horrible place or an evil state. It's done to America so often ("the nation of gun-packing cowboy racists") that I practically have the mantra memorized.

Why not describe the countries I mentioned as "the country where gaming is the national pastime, the country that gives us anime and Nintendo, or the cleanest country in southeast Asia"? Or let's describe France as "the country with declining population, rampant unemployment and grossly unassimilated religious minority" and make it sound awwful.

The real point is that America is a "right wing" country only when viewed from a Western European lens, and I don't think that Europe sits at the median political spectrum. I could argue that late 20th century / early 21st century Europe is aberrantly left-wing.
 

TWP [deprecated]

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And what do you guys think about this Ron Paul? Judging from the outside he doesn't seem so bad...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/
 

Bongo Bill

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He's very good at public relations. I mean, he certainly charmed that particular reporter. I like a lot of what he has to say, but it's all about as vague as you can expect from a campaigning politician, and it's not as if I've found nothing to disagree with even in that. I'll see if he survives to the primaries. His name's coming up a lot now, but when the bigger names start their push, it might be too much for him.
 
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Archon said:
Why not describe the countries I mentioned as "the country where gaming is the national pastime, the country that gives us anime and Nintendo, or the cleanest country in southeast Asia"? Or let's describe France as "the country with declining population, rampant unemployment and grossly unassimilated religious minority" and make it sound awwful.
Ok, fair call - I am absolutely picking the negatives. But it's not to make the countries look bad; rather to illustrate how right-wing they are (or in South Korea's case, why they have an excellent motivation to be right-wing). Your examples are about good or bad aspects of the country, separate from politics. In fact, Singapore's cleanliness is a direct result of tight government control, and even Nintendo's success is built partly on Japan's loosely-regulated labour market and culture of deference to authority.

This is probably not what you meant to imply, but I don't think either political wing is good or bad; they both have their strengths. In my opinion, most places take conservatism too far - which brings us to:

Archon said:
The real point is that America is a "right wing" country only when viewed from a Western European lens, and I don't think that Europe sits at the median political spectrum. I could argue that late 20th century / early 21st century Europe is aberrantly left-wing.
True. It's subjective. My best quick definition would be this:
-A centralist is fine with the way things are.
-A left-winger favours an increase in social freedom, economic regulation and scientific progress.
-A right-winger favours an increase in social rules, economic freedom and religious faith.

That way the centre varies depending on the current situation and the scale of reference. If you arrange the world's countries on those axes, I expect the right hand side would feature iron-fist dictatorships, followed by Sharia-ruled states like Iran - basically nowhere you'd want to live - followed by places like Singapore and South Korea, with the United States still a decent way along in that direction.

On the left you'd have France, Scandinavia, parts of South America, and Canada further in.

In the middle... not sure. Perhaps the UK. I'm tempted to say Australia but then I would say that; I live here. :D

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An unrelated point occurred to me this morning: the USA doesn't really have a name. That is, its name is just a description: the United States of America. "America" doesn't count as a name, because that's just the part of the description that says where these states-that-are-united exist. Despite the US's appropriation of the word, "America" is technically a whole pair of continents, not just that one country.

I can't think of another nation with this lack of a name. Even the UK is "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", and they get to use "Britain", not to mention England (Scotland too, I suppose, and Wales if we're feeling generous).
 
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TWP said:
And what do you guys think about this Ron Paul? Judging from the outside he doesn't seem so bad...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/
I think Ron Paul would go over huge with the younger demographic, who may mistakenly think they're voting for artist Sean Paul.
 

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TWP said:
And what do you guys think about this Ron Paul? Judging from the outside he doesn't seem so bad...

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/
Ron Paul is one of the few politicians I respect, mostly due to his adherence to his principles, but I do not share "Mr. No"'s (his nickname, because he votes against nearly all bills in congress on the basis that they exceed the federal governments authority) views of a _very_ limited federal government. Nor do I think many of his more "superficial" supporters would vote for him if they fully understood to what extent his principles (if carried out, which is not very realistic I'll admit) would minimize the federal government.
 

Ajar

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If I were American and could pick anyone from the current slate of Democratic and Republican candidates, it would be Bill Richardson.
 

TWP [deprecated]

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A specific question that's somehow related to the candidates... what do you think of your health system? Would you like it to be more "European/Canadian" style? (welfare state style, the kind that increases taxes to provide a free high quality service), or the kind that I understand you have now?
 

TomBeraha

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TWP: Massachusett's System seems to be my current ideal, where your employer is required to offer a plan, and if you opt out of having one you pay extra tax and are covered anyway.