Well, thankfully, none of those capital punishment laws apply anymore. Even if a law would technically carry the death penalty, it'd still be an unlawful action for the state if they had you executed. I believe it's a human rights declaration of some description that overwrites the death penalty in all situations.Carrion22 said:how long will it be before such as system is abused? a day max. and from that point on its all down hill.
i am a communist, in the UK there is an old, and abet unenforced law which makes my political stance a crime. however when i discuss thing with friends about the state of the country and how i personally feel, these words could be used to construct a treason case against me in the UK. and treason still does carry the death penalty in the UK (as does murder of a member of the royal usurpers and arson in the *****'s dockyards).
now the way i phrased my last sentence will ALSO get me into trouble. see how easy it is to fall foul of a bullshit law with overbearing and all pervasive all seeing systems.
i wish my utter failure for a democracy had something akin to the US bill of rights, and constitution which specifically limits the way a government can act.
So according to you normal people aren't important enough to monitor, but are important enough to blow up with a drone?Abomination said:I'll only accuse a government of abuse of power when it actually abuses that power.
Your government has unmanned drones circling your airspace, capable of turning whatever particular plot of land you inhabit into a crater... but you're more worried that they might listen to a phone conversation?
The government has more than enough powers to abuse that this particular one should be on the bottom of the list. It would only be a tool in the toolbelt of oppression and I can assure you that belt is already crammed full of devices it could turn against you.
So I don't give a damn about this breach of privacy. They do not have the manpower to monitor EVERYONE. They most certainly won't be monitoring YOU. Yes, YOU. They've got better things to do, you're not nearly half as important to the government as you suspect yourself of being on even your worst day.
Are normal people being blown up by drones by their own government?Dirty Hipsters said:So according to you normal people aren't important enough to monitor, but are important enough to blow up with a drone?Abomination said:I'll only accuse a government of abuse of power when it actually abuses that power.
Your government has unmanned drones circling your airspace, capable of turning whatever particular plot of land you inhabit into a crater... but you're more worried that they might listen to a phone conversation?
The government has more than enough powers to abuse that this particular one should be on the bottom of the list. It would only be a tool in the toolbelt of oppression and I can assure you that belt is already crammed full of devices it could turn against you.
So I don't give a damn about this breach of privacy. They do not have the manpower to monitor EVERYONE. They most certainly won't be monitoring YOU. Yes, YOU. They've got better things to do, you're not nearly half as important to the government as you suspect yourself of being on even your worst day.
Sure.
Again, it's simply a tool that could be used in oppression. On top of every other government power that could be used in oppression, which is essentially EVERY government power.UrKnightErrant said:This should terrify anyone with more than a half dozen working brain cells, whether they have "something to hide" or not.
I don't know, I enjoy having both, thanks.UrKnightErrant said:Did you just ignore my entire post? I don't give a rat's ass if the government is monitoring me personally. That's not why I'm against it.Abomination said:Again, it's simply a tool that could be used in oppression. On top of every other government power that could be used in oppression, which is essentially EVERY government power.UrKnightErrant said:This should terrify anyone with more than a half dozen working brain cells, whether they have "something to hide" or not.
There is potential for corruption in every government branch. There is already corruption in every government branch of the United States. The damn nation only seems to operate when corruption is used to grease the gears of the bureaucratic machine.
This situation is a slippery slope fallacy of the worst kind. The government employs an army, people who are drilled to obey orders, people who are paid to follow those orders, people who are mentally chipped away at to obey orders. The economy of America RELIES on the armed forces to support itself. And you care about some phone tapping?
Get your priorities straight. Who cares if they can hear you? You should care more about the fact they've got the PRACTICAL means of oppressing you.
And my priorities ARE straight. I'm not too chicken-shit to live in a free society that respects the privacy and rights of the people that live there. I realize that means I need to accept a certain degree of risk. I'm OK with that.
It's YOU that needs to get YOUR priorities straight. Do you want to be FREE? Or do you want to be SAFE? If you choose safety over freedom then it's YOU that has fucked up priorities.
I personally didn't sleep through the classes but only because I didn't have them. At any rate, security and privacy are not zero sum. As I already stated. Freedom, however, is a different concept than privacy, I'd suggest not equating the two.UrKnightErrant said:No. You can't have both. Freedom and safety are mutually exclusive. Man, did you sleep through your American History classes?