professional gamers are "elitest" jerks?

[Chrissyluky]

I know its a touchy subject but really what seems to be the escapists issue with the pro gaming community? and my question is have you ever actually been into the community and i mean the true community not the mlg mirror. www.cevo.com if you don't get what i mean. The main thing that provoked this was just countless posts i saw where people bashed us over and over and im really tired of it. so PLEASE READ THIS WHOLE THING OR DO NOT POST(sorry for caps just want to make sure that gets across).

The reason for this post is i'm tired of being labeled an "elitest" because i take a game far enough into detail so i know exactly what to do and when. and it seems to me the community is being bigoted because of a few bad experiences or lack of experience. i myself have been in many communities. the cevo left 4 dead pc community the xbox 360 community for it on cevo and gamebattles. tf2 cevo call of duty 4 cevo the list goes on. I found both sites to support sportsmanlike behavior and these so called "elitest's" didn't exist except for the small few of them. if i may take an example? awhile ago a team named depraved won cevo tournaments i know every member personally they are very kind,well mannered people and i haven't ever seen them get angry or basically act unsportsmanlike unless they were lets say provoked(even when they're losing they don't yell at one another).

I just want to say this. we aren't all jerks okay? we like to play rough we have heated opinions and we are damn good at whatever we play. but don't hate us for it please.(plus i've seen plenty of bad players who tried to force "elitest" opinions on people)

 

[wolfy098]

I know its a touchy subject but really what seems to be the escapists issue with the pro gaming community? and my qeustion is have you ever actaully been into the community and i mean the true community not the mlg mirror. www.cevo.com if you dont get what i mean. The main thing that provoked this was just countless posts i saw where people bashed us over and over and im really tired of it. so please read this whole thing or do not post.

The reason for this post is im tired of being labeled an "elitest" because i take a game far enough into detail so i know exactly what to do and when. and it seems to me the community is being bigoted because of a few bad experiences or lack of experience. i myself have been in many communities. the cevo left 4 dead pc community the xbox 360 community for it on cevo and gamebattles. tf2 cevo call of duty 4 cevo the list goes on. I found both sites to support sportsmanlike behavior and these so called "elitest's" didnt exist except for the small few of them. if i may take an example? awhile ago a team named depraved won cevo tournaments i know every member personally they are very kind,well mannered people and i haven't ever seen them get angry(even when they're losing they don't yell at one another).

I just want to say this. we aren't all jerks okay? we like to play rough we have heated opinions and we are damn good at whatever we play. but don't hate us for it please.

Only those looking from outside the area can see the "jerks" as you put it

Generally speaking there are many "jerks" and we only see the "jerks" most of the time
sorry for the misunderstanding

(elitest is bad grammar)

 

[D_987]

the xbox 360 community for it on cevo and gamebattles.

Are you kidding me? I playing on that site for a while and left because the community was so awful - so many cheats, so many lies - people who care to much about winning rather than having fun within a competitive environment. Besides which, Gamebattles isn't a "pro gamer" site - its a site for wannabe pro-gamers; this is evident from the utterly moronic people on their forums, in which everyone would call everyone "scrubs, random's, nobodies" etc... - the sad fact being they all thought they were different and famous within the community for their skills, when in fact nobody knew anybody unless they trolled the forums - and then it wasn't for talent.

In short, if your talking about Project gamer (the free version of CEVO) and Gamebattles, your not even talking about professional gamers. The general consensus is that pro gamers are elitist jerks because thats the impression they give; take Sirlin's article about "gaming to win" - is he right? Yes. Is he a jerk about it? Yes.

 

[Chrissyluky]

xD i kinda laughed i didnt expect that kind of response even though i know this post wont change anything it helped me blow off a little steam.

 

[Chrissyluky]

the xbox 360 community for it on cevo and gamebattles.

Are you kidding me? I playing on that site for a while and left because the community was so awful - so many cheats, so many lies - people who care to much about winning rather than having fun within a competitive environment. Besides which, Gamebattles isn't a "pro gamer" site - its a site for wannabe pro-gamers; this is evident from the utterly moronic people on their forums, in which everyone would call everyone "scrubs, random's, nobodies" etc... - the sad fact being they all thought they were different and famous within the community for their skills, when in fact nobody knew anybody unless they trolled the forums - and then it wasn't for talent.

In short, if your talking about Project gamer (the free version of CEVO) and Gamebattles, your not even talking about professional gamers. The general consensus is that pro gamers are elitist jerks because thats the impression they give; take Sirlin's article about "gaming to win" - is he right? Yes. Is he a jerk about it? Yes.

is he a nobody and never played a cevo match in his life? is he just a wannabe? yes. www.cevo.com has 0 cheating while i left gamebattles after only a week of playing there.

 

[Undeleted]

First of all, it's 'elitist'. Second of all, you belong to a group of people who are so sad they actually manage to suck all the fun out of gaming.

Just because they like to play in a more organized environment than most gamers doesn't mean they're not having fun.

 

[Lono Shrugged]

I always associate "professional gamer" with "professional wanker" as in I can't see how you could make a day to day living from it.

I know only one real pro gamer who is a tester. And now that you mention it, yeah he is a prick.

I do think Pro gamers are elitists assholes purely because they ARE elite at the games they play and generally are assholes.

 

[RavingPenguin]

I have nothing against pro players. What I dont like are people who think they are pro. Case in point, myself and a few freinds decided to play CoD:WaW. Our team consisted of a rank 50 3rd prestige (me, Im not that great), a rank 45 1st prestige(my freind Kevin, better than me), a rank 20, and a rank 8. We were pitted against a team of 4 rank 65 10th prestiges. After a stressful and hard fought battle we win, much to the dismay of the other team. Not only did they call us n00bs and haxors, but rubbed our noses in their K/D spreads, none of which were better than my freind Kevins. I should also point out that none of us were using weapons that were considered noobish. Thats why I hate "pros," even if they're people my age they still end up sounding like 5 year olds when they lose.

 

[Proteus214]

I used to be a member of one of the super elite WoW guilds in the US called Blood Legion (you can look it up on the front page of wowprogress.com). After playing at their level for a long enough time I realized that I had little to no tolerance for "newbie gameplay." It was either balls-to-the-wall-play-to-win-right-now or GTFO AND STOP WASTING MY TIME. And yes, elitism is a big part of it. When I play games, I usually play to win. It really starts to get my ire up when I explain to someone exactly what needs to happen and exactly when it needs to happen in order to win, and then they blatantly disregard my instructions and cause a massive fuckup that wastes time and loses it for the rest of the team.

For me, this is particularly bad when it comes to raid bosses, because after killing a boss flawlessly 50 times in a row to suddenly have a devastating wipe because Gimpy McRetardson wanted to "do his own thing."

The Immortal title in WoW is the very definition of elitist frustration.

Interesting aside, there actually is a high ranking WoW guild called "Elitist Jerks."

 

[Foolish Mortal]

No matter what the issue is here, I love the contradiction inherent in the phrase 'professional gamers'. Whether they be elitest or elitist or, indeed, jerks, how can somebody who is just playing a game claim to be professional at it?

'Hey guys, I work in professional Monopoly. I know all the tricks to get Mayfair as early as possible every time. Not like those scrubs who just hang around Fleet Street. I spit on their graves.'

 

[Chipperz]

Last year, my class at college had to put on a games tournament, and we got lumbered with Halo 3. Three teams signed up of people who spent the entire hour we were setting up telling us how great they were and how they were sponsored to play it in tournaments and how they were professional gamers.

They got the shit kicked out of them. One team at a time. By a team of people who play Halo 3 for a laugh with their mates. Because while the "professional gamers" were telling everyone how great they were and how brilliant their sponsorship was, the "actual gamers" were playing the damn game.

Yeah. I have a lot of contempt for gamers that call themselves "professional". More than the kids that call themselves "Hardcore".

 

[TAGM]

This is just a theory, mind you, but I belive that there is a difference between an "elitest" and a "casual" gamer, and that is, in a word, Practise.

Casual gamers generaly see games and something you can just do right off the bat, while generaly Elitests see gameplaying as an "artform," for lack of a better term. They see it as something that requires practise and dedication to do right, and generaly this can seem extreamly stupid to some casual gamers.
If this doesn't quite make sence, think about this: did you ever realise that you do the same thing with a game as you do with a musical insturument? (that is play it.) Your avrage "casual" gamer would see this as nothing more then a coincidance, while your average "elitest" gamer would see it as a sign that gameplaying is an artform.

At least, that's what I think.

 

[maddawg IAJI]

I've played with a few people who claimed to be pros and before you ask yes they were assholes. They constantly told me what to do even if I was doing somthing else.

Pro-Go watch the side entrance with your sniper. (The following was in Halo 3)

The problem with this is that I was already watching the other side entrance. The side that dosen't get bombarded with gernades every 5 and a half seconds. They were all already by that side which dosen't give a sniper a lot of space to snipe and hop into to cover.

I personally figured they just wanted me to go over there so they have less of a walk to my sniper. So I stayed where I was an killed a few more. One of them began yelling at me when he died.

Pro=WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING YOU SCRUB! I TOLD YOU TO WATCH THAT SIDE ENTRANCE AND-

Me- Look man I'm sorry but that's a straight away ramp. It's a Br match. I've tried that plan enough that I know what happens.

The Pro now flabbergasted about how I didn't listen to him despite him saying he was a pro gamer. Goes over and "attempts" to betray me.

So I ran and Let up a few of members of the other team. They completly demolished my team and I got my perfection medal.

 

[FallenRainbows]

Umm your on Gamebattles I assume you play in MLG or what not. How are you "Professional" to me that's the sort of world class people at those tournaments who do ridiculous time spending on gaming, and would be gaming rather than on here, So are you on about Clan gamers being "elitist" jerks? No, there cheating scum mostly. I used to do clan stuff but it got so annoying, I usually won like but there was no sence of fair play, no fun, it was dreary.

 

[Proteus214]

This is just a theory, mind you, but I belive that there is a difference between an "elitest" and a "casual" gamer, and that is, in a word, Practise.

Casual gamers generaly see games and something you can just do right off the bat, while generaly Elitests see gameplaying as an "artform," for lack of a better term. They see it as something that requires practise and dedication to do right, and generaly this can seem extreamly stupid to some casual gamers.
If this doesn't quite make sence, think about this: did you ever realise that you do the same thing with a game as you do with a musical insturument? (that is play it.) Your avrage "casual" gamer would see this as nothing more then a coincidance, while your average "elitest" gamer would see it as a sign that gameplaying is an artform.

At least, that's what I think.

I think that so far you are the closest to the way I see it. (For the record, yes, I am one of these people.) I wouldn't call it playing like an "artform," but the part about practice nearly hits it on the head. To me, it all comes down to two things: time (or even money) invested and quality of progress. It hits home especially hard in team play (TF2, Counterstrike, WoW, etc.)

Say for example, my team and I come upon a difficult scenario that we aren't entirely sure how to tackle. We make a few attempts at cracking it that fail, so we mull it over for a bit and come up with a new strategy. We put it into action and, after quite a bit of practice, are able to nail it down without fail. We continue with our strategy for a number of weeks/months/years/whatever until it is second nature.

Now you are playing the same game with a number of people that you don't know and have never played with before. You come up against a simplified version of that same scenario that your team spent all that time mastering. You tell the team EXACTLY what needs to be done in order to win, but they either have no clue how to follow your instructions or just plain don't listen, so you fail. And then you come up against it again...and you fail again.

This is making me frustrated just thinking about it lol. You have spent a TON of time learning how to accomplish a certain task that is not new to you and you have to endure failure after failure because your team doesn't get it. In terms of return on your already invested time, you're getting screwed and the game loses all the fun.

 

[Pyre00]

You spelt elitist wrong...

Also I'm pretty sure you aren't making enough money by playing video games to support yourself, therefore you are not a "professional"

 

[Weaver]

Do you realize that professional means you make money by doing it?
If you aren't making money you are not a professional gamer.