Prove me wrong
- Thread starter K9Lawliet
- Start date
Recommended Videos
A lot of Protestants hate being put in the same place as Catholics. After all, Protestantism comes from being not-Catholic and then the Catholics seem to prefer being called Catholics. I don't have all the answers, but that's my general understanding.humpees said:
The subject of your message reads "Prove me wrong". So...
Your premise is false. Therefore, you have not proven your conclusion.
There are many well-documented religions (Tibetan Buddhism being just one) that do not "say that only their religion is right and everyone else's is wrong".K9Lawliet said:
Your premise is false. Therefore, you have not proven your conclusion.
I hate it when people only apply arguments to religions as it ignores beliefs. Let's take them into account then:
If we take beliefs into account then there is a possibility that believing in no god is wrong as well. Would you be willing to risk that?
Also, you spelt definately wrong.
As for all religions believing that every other religion is wrong, look up Buddhism and Quakerism. Whilst not saying that any other religion is right, they respect other religions as being possible like their own.
Why do people keep on making threads like this? They almost always turn into flamewars. This is why I've been putting off making something like this for The Escapist [http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1022470&page=1&pp=20&highlight=Philosophy].
If we take beliefs into account then there is a possibility that believing in no god is wrong as well. Would you be willing to risk that?
Also, you spelt definately wrong.
As for all religions believing that every other religion is wrong, look up Buddhism and Quakerism. Whilst not saying that any other religion is right, they respect other religions as being possible like their own.
How can I prove something right or wrong that states there is no god?New Troll said:
I can't, because I don't know, and probably will never know.
Why do people keep on making threads like this? They almost always turn into flamewars. This is why I've been putting off making something like this for The Escapist [http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1022470&page=1&pp=20&highlight=Philosophy].
To quote Voltaire: "If there were no god then it would be necessary to create him"K9Lawliet said:
I'm as yet to find a single religious quote that outright states the non existence of other divine powers bar those of the Qu'ran.
The earlist scriptures of the bible explicitly mention the divine kingdon of Nod, Allah is merely a translation of god so Islam could just be christianity with different translations, Hinduism is where it gets interesting though the argument that there is one divine power with multiple aspects is somewhat similar to the islamic 100 names of Allah, Sikhism was simply an occurance when someone said "There is no hinduism, the is no islam, there is only god" due to religious fighting in Asia, and that pretty much covers the big names is monotheism. Budhism developed far away from the rest of the world, so yes, it was pretty much made up, though it's interesting to note the one which is purely of human creation features no mention of divine intelligence. A divine system, yes, but no mind to it. Paganism developed a lot earlier, when superstition was more widespread, so of course it's going to have gods when they lack science (See the Voltaire quote).
To simplify, pretty much all religions which believe in a god all have similar teachings, with a few exceptions, which are all easy to justify as geographical features, anyway. Orthodox Judaism forbidding pig meat, shrimp and certain birds? Their scriptures are practically a desert survival guide, any food that goes off quickly is gonna be a no no, Christianity and the New Testemant came from slightly more prosperous and stable times to they can eat such things quite happily. Combined with some names/roles being almost identacle (The islamic angel Jibril and the christian archangel Gabriel, plus whatever the Qu'ran calls Azrael), this all seems to suggest that when you die, and discover to your utter, heathenous shock that there is in fact a heaven, it'll be St. George stood there at a podium, donning whichever holy symbol is applicable to you and saying "Hi, you know you guys really coulda done with some consoladation down there, just sayin'".
I wouldn't mind being an atheist because I wouldn't have to do anything. If I worshipped a god and found out I was wrong I would be angry.
If one religion is right then many others would be wrong, therefore there would be people making things up.
Unless all religions in fact worship one god and they dont know it. In that case all atheists are wrong.
If one religion is right then many others would be wrong, therefore there would be people making things up.
Unless all religions in fact worship one god and they dont know it. In that case all atheists are wrong.
I remember seeing that thread. Like you said, it was a very good piece of work but it just became full of atheists sniping religion for all its worth. He also did another thread with a similar topic (it was a more general topic: Threads that don't go down well on the forums [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.126913?page=1]), but that just broke down into him and Cheeze debating whether or not Religious threads should be included (as some can be/ have been rational).3.141592654 said:
EDIT: As for the post above me, if one religion is correct, then that would also mean people were making things up about atheism.
Buddhists don't believe their religions is the only "way". Religion Doesn't get you closer to God N00B it only tells you what you have to do to get closer to God and essentially all major religions tell you to to be good to others and yourself and that's not "too risky". If you picked the wrong god or religion, oh well what you gonna do about it when you're DEAD. If we knew for certain that there is no god at all then we might as well be cunts and douches to each other. At least in my opinion.K9Lawliet said:
here, you want us to point out your flawed logic?K9Lawliet said:
... you are a brave, brave man.
pointing time. one: if the mind creates god, who creates the mind? two: even if the mind creates the god, you cant really be screwed. the god would have to take you up to paradise, because his existence depends on your continued good will, which essentially makes you a god.
3: if there is no god, then you are not screwed. you will just feel silly for a little while as you walk the earth forever (or cease to exist- at least this way you wont feel silly)4: if you do choose the wrong god, and wholeheartedly believe in him, no matter what, don't you think the correct god will look kindly upon you for your loyalty? Look at catholism, we have something called baptism of belief (Discaimer: not flaming, not trying to spread my belief, not trying to do anything to get me banned or whatever) which means if you do not know that God is the true God, but would become Catholic if you did know, you are still saved. also, look at Christ on the cross. he welcomed a man who stole and sinned and killed for a living, and because he said he was sorry and meant it, he was welcomed into paradise.
i dont think that is wise. the Nazis were the majority party in Germany in the 1940's, does that mean it was safest to side with them?clicketycrack said:
Ahhh, yes... The basics of atheïsm...K9Lawliet said:
Look, I've got an enormous interest in theology, mythology and even demonology - which is sub-category of the previously mentioned, really...
I've read John Milton's Paradise Lost, Dante Alighieri's Divina Commedia and quite a lot of bible passages. I can start taking things like this to a degree that it simply isn't funny anymore. I've had that before so... I'm just going to spare all of you the annoyance.
Let me just say this:
I am the keeper of my mind, but I am wicked, if I did not have my faith, I would go mad, my morality lets me know good from evil, my religion shares this vision, because the core of every religion is the same: go forth and do what is right, everything not parallel to this statement has been influenced by human hands tainted by betrayal and thus is corrupt.
Do some research and you'll realise that the whole 'everyone else is wrong'-mentality something was that people with power added to abuse faith. Use it as a weapon, 'opium of the people'. They betrayed their religion for personal gain, you know where betrayers go to? The ninth circle of hell, that's where!
N.B.: I don't really believe Dante's vision of a hell divided in circles and sub-circles, but the delicate way he delivers latent information and visions along with it... Magnificent.
You raise an interesting point about the mind creating god. I'm a humanist and as such I know that man is greater than any ficticious 'higher being' religious folk choose to worship. If a person's mind can create god then that helps back up the fact that man is stronger than god (what that means is that as a species united we are stronger than a groups faith in the higher being they worship)K9Lawliet said: