PS3 comeback

[Jumplion]

Your last point was the point I was trying to make. You see a lot less exclusives out there than you did yesterday and consoles can't really on exclusives anymore. The 360 doesn't have to get many exlcusives, all it needs to do is take them away from PS3 and make them multiplatform because the 360 is cheaper. And why do you think Bungie left Micro? Because they want to make more money buy going multiplatform. No, Halo will never go multiplatform because Micro owns the rights but Bungie leaving validates what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that exlusives don't factor in the equasion of buying a console but their role is diminishing and it is a pattern that will continue and bring changes to how the next consoles are designed.

I read on Edge-Magazine.com that after week two LBP sales were only at 400k, bad sales for what was supposed to be a great game.

The reason I call you an asshole is because you immediately jump to the conclusion that I am a fanboy because I have a differing opinion and own a 360.

Also, I wouldn't call Sony and Micro part of the big three in game publishing. EA and Acti-Blizz publish way more games.

Please show me one multiplatform game Bungie has made since they left. I don't even know why they're still making Halo, I don't care if their next game was multiplatform I just want them to get away from all this Halo stuff.

The LBP sales could be an effect of countless things, mainly trying to get the game atleast well known which I don't think it has. I highly doubt that LBP being multiplat would make much of a difference in sales, but that's my opinion.

Never thought you were a fanboy, what gives you that idea? Just don't call people assholes for no aparant reason and you're fine, I just thought we were on a friendly debate of some sorts.

Erm, no. By "Big Three" I'm talking about the console manufacture-ers. I could care less if EA was a big name publisher, they have no reason to pay someone else to keep their games exclusive to one platform. Only the "Big Three" have reason to pay EA or Acti-Blizz to keep a game exclusive.

 

[SteveDave]

Your last point was the point I was trying to make. You see a lot less exclusives out there than you did yesterday and consoles can't really on exclusives anymore. The 360 doesn't have to get many exlcusives, all it needs to do is take them away from PS3 and make them multiplatform because the 360 is cheaper. And why do you think Bungie left Micro? Because they want to make more money buy going multiplatform. No, Halo will never go multiplatform because Micro owns the rights but Bungie leaving validates what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying that exlusives don't factor in the equasion of buying a console but their role is diminishing and it is a pattern that will continue and bring changes to how the next consoles are designed.

I read on Edge-Magazine.com that after week two LBP sales were only at 400k, bad sales for what was supposed to be a great game.

The reason I call you an asshole is because you immediately jump to the conclusion that I am a fanboy because I have a differing opinion and own a 360.

Also, I wouldn't call Sony and Micro part of the big three in game publishing. EA and Acti-Blizz publish way more games.

Please show me one multiplatform game Bungie has made since they left. I don't even know why they're still making Halo, I don't care if their next game was multiplatform I just want them to get away from all this Halo stuff.

The LBP sales could be an effect of countless things, mainly trying to get the game atleast well known which I don't think it has. I highly doubt that LBP being multiplat would make much of a difference in sales, but that's my opinion.

Never thought you were a fanboy, what gives you that idea? Just don't call people assholes for no aparant reason and you're fine, I just thought we were on a friendly debate of some sorts.

Erm, no. By "Big Three" I'm talking about the console manufacture-ers. I could care less if EA was a big name publisher, they have no reason to pay someone else to keep their games exclusive to one platform. Only the "Big Three" have reason to pay EA or Acti-Blizz to keep a game exclusive.

Like you said Bungie hasn't gotten away from the Halo thing but they will make, or making, a multiplatform game, I can garuntee it.

LBP has been touted all over the place by Sony. Bag Boy was being touted as the new sony mascot as much as Master Chief has been for the 360. And mulitplatforming would have sold more games and thus create a difference in sales, that you can't deny.

Then next post don't talk about what I said then add your hatred for 360 fanboys, misunderstanding.

And in a previous post you talked about Sony, Micro, and Nintendo and referred to them as "publishers". To your point that Sony and Micro are paying for exclusives, what exclusives are you reffering to? I know Microsoft has paid for GTA and the next FF but like I said before the strategy there is not to get exclusives but to take them away from the PS3 because the 360 is more competitively priced. The common way that "The Big Three" get exclusives is through in house development, ala Nintendo, or by gobbleing up developers and publishing them themselves. The only independent developer that I can think of that gives exclusives to one console is Konami with MGS.

 

[Kermi]

Please show me one multiplatform game Bungie has made since they left. I don't even know why they're still making Halo, I don't care if their next game was multiplatform I just want them to get away from all this Halo stuff.

Halo 3 only came out a year ago and I'm guessing part of their parting terms was to make Halo 3: Recon. It doesn't necessarily mean they'll start making multi-platform games as they still have a very close relationship with Microsoft, but even if they were going to they really haven't had the opportunity yet. Give them a break.

 

[SteveDave]

Besides, do you know what time it is almost? Christmas

With all the games that have just come out, and Christmas right around the corner, all the sales will be seen.

Like I said before, most consumers this holiday season are going to be more frugile because no one has any money this holiday season. So if they buy a console which will they buy? The PS3? I think not.

 

[Jumplion]

Please show me one multiplatform game Bungie has made since they left. I don't even know why they're still making Halo, I don't care if their next game was multiplatform I just want them to get away from all this Halo stuff.

Halo 3 only came out a year ago and I'm guessing part of their parting terms was to make Halo 3: Recon. It doesn't necessarily mean they'll start making multi-platform games as they still have a very close relationship with Microsoft, but even if they were going to they really haven't had the opportunity yet. Give them a break.

It's not so much that they're working on Halo, it's that they're still working on Halo after they separated. I mean, what's the point of becoming a 3rd party developer if you're just going to do the same thing? Branch out a bit, heck I'd be content with a Marathon game even if it was exclusive.

 

[SinisterDeath]

You know, I think M$ should never have gotten into the console buisness. They could have totally made more money if they had just dedicated there Game Studio to making Microsoft games on the Ps2/Dreamcast, PS3/Wii. Cause lets face it, Sony is a Hardware company, and dominated 2 generations of consoles, and Nintendo had been around since nearly the beginning. (NES/SNES won the previous generations prior to the psx)

AS it is, consoles really get there money from software sales, and sine M$ is notorious for becoming rich on 'software', Jumping into the hardware sector really didn't seem like a smart move imo. Hell, if you noticed Xbox was released 'late' last generation, had the best graphics, and was dominated by Dreamcast/PS2, This round, Xbox Jumped in to the game 'early', the ps3 jumped in 'late', and the tables are turned. Xbox has 'possibly' lower stats then the ps3, ps3 has more shit stuffed into the box... With the wii releasing 'late' with less power... Well, the wii is just a gamecube with motion sensing...

Anyways, Using the PS3s back catelogue of games, to add to the actual PS3's catelogue IS a valid tactic.
360, Launches with what, 20 games?
Ps3 Launches with 12 games + PS2 Library + PSX Library.
And even if the newer ps3's don't play PS2 games, they CAN and DO play Ps1 games. Hell, the PSN has PS1 Games on it for sale!

Hell, back when I first got my ps3, after beating Resistance: Fall of Man, I popped in FF1&2, and about half a dozen other PsX games while I waited for some money to get more ps3 games. I even popped in other ps2 games.

Why Sony stopped BC from newer models, was an asshat move imo. They figured that by eliminating ps2 games, they'd force more sales for ps3 software. And they figured that the people who'd buy the 40GB ps3, would buy it to just play ps3 games, and those who got the 60GB ps3 would buy it to have all the bells and whistles...
Keeping the trend was meant to reduce the price of the ps3, which while a 'good' thing, it would have been nice if they could have 'scrapped' other things, like... oohh, I dunno the card readers, various USB ports, possibly even some of the excess 'ports' on the back that no one uses that cost money... I know if they had a high end version and a low end version they could eaislly have kepted BC with out killing it...
But then again, Sony did say they were going to work on Software ps2 emulation... We' haven't heard hide nor hair of it. However I did hear a rumor that they have the ps2 emulation software on there servers...

 

[SteveDave]

In America maybe, America isn't the world.

And actually I was talking more about buying LBP.

When America is in recession the whole world is in one. Bailouts have been approved in both Japan and the UK, their banks suck too.

LBP is also not doing well anywhere. It is eight on the NPD charts overall. 400k in the US the first two weeks, 69,000 in Japan and it has dropped to nineteenth place on the NPD charts in the UK. Bad sales for a game that could have had better.

 

[Kermi]

It's not so much that they're working on Halo, it's that they're still working on Halo after they separated. I mean, what's the point of becoming a 3rd party developer if you're just going to do the same thing? Branch out a bit, heck I'd be content with a Marathon game even if it was exclusive.

Yes, they're making Recon - as I said already, probably as part of their parting terms with Microsoft. They've also announced this will be their last Halo title.

 

[SteveDave]

Anyways, Using the PS3s back catelogue of games, to add to the actual PS3's catelogue IS a valid tactic.
360, Launches with what, 20 games?
Ps3 Launches with 12 games + PS2 Library + PSX Library.
And even if the newer ps3's don't play PS2 games, they CAN and DO play Ps1 games. Hell, the PSN has PS1 Games on it for sale!

Because when someone buys their PS3 they can't wait to get home and play FF1.

 

[SteveDave]

when emulation software for the PS2 comes out, i'm betting a LOT of consumers will go for a PS3, it's the best thing they can add.

Sony can come last, so long as they turn profit, after all, considering how well the PS2 did, they can afford to.

Also this was my brother, brought an Xbox, 6 games for it, stopped playing with it and we played on my PS2, brought a 360, keeps trying to trade me for my PS3.

I know he isn't a grasp on the market, but that's the personal demographic in my house. He;s buying a PS3 for Christmas cause he wants one bad.

Like you said it is a personal demographic. You brother could just love Japanese RPGs a hell of a lot.

 

[SteveDave]

Actually, he hates there guts, as I said he wont buy any for the 360, I'm the JRPG lover.

He actually wants it (Brace yourself for this) for the soccer games, apparently there better on the PS3, he's actually what you call the 360 demographic, he likes shooters, and sports.

*shrugs* I dunno how his mind works, I know he doesn't like JRPGs, That is MY field of expertise.

Wow that is odd indeed. I hate Japanese RPGs myself, they all look the same to me (does that sound racist?).

And regarding LBP sales I think they would have been served better if sony has released it in Spring 09. the market is too cluttered for a new game to break into the market.

 

[Altorin]

it wouldn't be racist if you didn't ask if it was racist

because you did, it might seem a little racist

 

[SteveDave]

I don't think it's racist so much as generalized, WKC and pretty much anything by Level 5 is different, Samey, yes, exactly alike? well that's like saying all shooters are alike as in they fire guns.

I allways shout for growth in JRPG's I think they have been stagnant for a long while, and It pisses me off when a JRPG makes strides for growth (FFXII was genuinely different from the previous ones) and they it gets ranted on

(The game removed random encounters, kept the Active Time Bar system but removed 'Turn Based' You could program the AI of your Allies and yourself if your really lazy, actually the gambit system is something a FPSer would like, how often do you get pissed off when your AI Allies do stupid shit, Gambits pretty much gave you control over the AI so they stopped doing stupid shit. And yet the FF fanbase crucifies it for some reason)

Also yes, release time means everything, around Christmas is good, but not when everyone else is doing it to! I'm getting it for Christmas along with some games for my Wii, and a new PS2 (Case my old one Died after long years of service)but seriously we had full months where there was nothing out, that would have been a great time. Now nobody has the money.

What you said in your second paragraph is what I meant. Many Japanese developers have admitted that the west has overcome them in innovation. I'm gonna call it the Dynasty Warriors syndrome. People keep on buying their games so they don't change a damn thing.

And GTA proved that Christmas isn't everything. If you market the game right you can get sell anytime of the year. Please God, let someone release a good game in the summer.

 

[Knight Templar]

Well this year was suppost to be its big year, I don't see any earth shattering games coming out soon, so I think....

In dot form!
Next year.

- The Xbox 360 and PS3 will start to catch up on the Wii.
- PS3 and 360 will get more and more exclusives trying to stop the other from getting them.
- PS3 will do better than it has, not as good as the other conloses but closer.


So pretty much more of whats happening, oh yeah I see strange new things allright!

 

[ElArabDeMagnifico]

I actually expect new consoles very soon. Except a Wii successor.

 

[Woe Is You]

when emulation software for the PS2 comes out, i'm betting a LOT of consumers will go for a PS3, it's the best thing they can add.

They already removed it once, so I doubt they'll be adding it again anytime soon. I've previously stated loads of times that it's one of the most bizarre moves this generation and really left me with no incentive to get a PS3 at all. Since, let's face it, this generation is all about multiplatform games.

As for JRPGS, isn't the 360 the (J)RPG console of this generation? It's bizarre, I know, but Microsoft seems to have been actively making sure that it's one of the console's strengths. Most of the interesting JRPG exclusives haven't been released yet, leaving the PS3 with Valkyria Chronicles and Disgaea 3.

 

[SinisterDeath]

Anyways, Using the PS3s back catelogue of games, to add to the actual PS3's catelogue IS a valid tactic.
360, Launches with what, 20 games?
Ps3 Launches with 12 games + PS2 Library + PSX Library.
And even if the newer ps3's don't play PS2 games, they CAN and DO play Ps1 games. Hell, the PSN has PS1 Games on it for sale!

Well, in the case of MGS4, before it released (about a week before it was released)
I replayed MGS 1-3.

Many, many people do the same for 'established series' that span 'several' consoles.

Because when someone buys their PS3 they can't wait to get home and play FF1.

 

[Woe Is You]

I really wouldn't say Disgaea 3 and FF Versus XIII are "trying to mix things up". Disgaea 3 and Cross Edge are your average Nippon Ichi SRPGs with next to nothing new (we've seen those aplenty in the last generation), FF Versus XIII seems to be Kingdom Hearts with a different theme. Which leaves you with Valkyria Chronicles, which I admit sounds interesting. Hoping for a port.

And we've yet to see whether White Knight Chronicles lives up to its hype. It's Level 5, so anything can happen.

 

[Doug]

The main problem I have, now that I'm considering getting a system, is that games that come out for both XBox and PS3 always seem to be better on the XBox (according to reviews). It might be an issue with the framerate (often) or DLC, but games that should be identical always seem to be a little better on the 360.

Some of that has to do with EA, but for the most part I agree, for the PS3 to reach full potential, it needs more exclusive titles

Although I hate it when games turn out to be exclusive titles, you're right. After I found out that LBP didn't come out for the 360 nor the PC, I died a little inside and wanted a PS3. That's some good marketing.

Very true - I do wonder if LBP is as good as they say in ponder getting a PS3 to replace my XBox 360, but the way I see it, I already have alot of XBox games, both produce enough heat to heat my room BETTER THAN MY RADIATOR, and both are very similar. Plus, I find Japanese RPGs and games in general to be tedious movies as opposed to games (my own view), and most PS3 only games are Japanese in origin at least (Final Fantasy, Metal Gear Solid).

But one thing I have noticed are Xbox 'exclusives' end up porting onto other platforms over time (Mass Effect, for example).

Personally, I think that its better to port games out to other platforms (when possible - for example, the Wii hardware has large differences in performance and input to other platforms). Exclusives, whilst they can improve sales of one platform, will hurt gaming overall.

Some people can afford all 3 consoles and a PC, but I doubt the majority do. (I could in theory afford it but it seems like a waste to buy a Wii and PS3).

Whilst I can understand LittleBigPlanet is a Sony owned product, I would have personally thought they could make more money and spread the risk out by branching out onto other platforms after, say, a year. Same with Halo for Microsoft.

The problem is that the reason that LittleBigPlanet isn't going to the 360 isn't because Sony are hogging it - according to Media Molecule, they literally cannot do it. The game requires a full Blu-Ray disc and a Hard Drive as standard.

They could always start developing a port specially made for the 360. Just because it is made for Blue-Ray doesn't mean that is impossible, it just means it would take them longer to port it to another system.

And that it would have much less content, and be far less versatile for the actual create component, which would get rid of the games whole point.

Really? I see... well, I'm surprised it needs a full Blu-Ray disc for what does boil down to a platformer in the end... Although maybe its all the graphical and sound data, both of which are know to be resource hogs...

How about a PC port at least then?

 

[ohmz]

god of war 3.

enough said.