They will usually have a slacker backer or something set up on their own website. If I back, it'll be there.cikame said:
Psychonauts 2 Crowfunding Campaign Announced
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At the same time, you cannot deny that they shaved it rather close with their success what with needing to split the game and sell the first half(and other Double Fine games getting ported/re-released) in order to fund the second half.JelDeRebel said:
If that didn't work, people would literally have received half the game. That does NOT indicate excellent budget management. They overcame it, sure, but it was hardly smooth sailing.
And?Areloch said:
It seems a fairly common thing in the industry to run out of money during development. At least with the Broken Age there wasn't a irate publisher forcing them to end the game then and there tacking on a "you win" button (I'm looking at you rage), so they were able to look at other ways of getting more money to properly finish.
And that was the whole point of the kickstarter, to see what Schaefer would/could do without a publisher looming over his shoulder.
I mean if you look at the original kickstarter it's crazy. They didn't have a game planned out, at all! It was literally give Schaefer money and see what he does with it. Schaefer also pointed out that it was likely to fail.
And that would lend to why people are distrustful of DoubleFine's ability to manage their projects/budget.wulf3n said:
It being fairly common situation doesn't make it a good thing, and yes, their original Kickstarter was patently crazy, since it wasn't even pitching a game, but an idea for a game.
Once they got their budget though, they designed a game to the budget provided by the kickstarter. And even with building a game to the budget provided, face is they still did not scope to the budget correctly and barely succeeded. Which goes back to 'people being distrustful of DoubleFine's ability to manage their projects/budget'.
Thus far, giving money to DoubleFine starting with their original kickstarter has largely been a 'seat of the pants' experience on if the game will work or not, and I can't fault people for not wanting to go on that ride more than once.
If the game does come out and it's good, I have no doubt lots of people disinclined to provide crowdfunding will pick it up. I'll probably be in that group too. It doesn't change the fact that tossing money at DoubleFine for the purposes of getting a game made, rather than buying a completed product has been rocky.
Why does Double Fine keep needing to crowd source their funds for games... Are they not making any money at all?
They're already doing their own funding for the game, and have an outside partner providing additional funding. So they likely have enough to make the game already, and are mostly gauging interest through these donations. Just think of it as a pre-order. Before the game has even started development.chozo_hybrid said:
Heh...This makes me both giddy and sad at the same time. Schafer asking for money again? Fucking hilarious. Psychonaughts2 FINALLY coming out YEARS after being requested by fans from a dev that has since fallen into...less than reputable status. Just breaks my heart.
People can talk about a solid record, but how many people talk about Costume Quest? [s/]Fire Emblem Knockoff[/s]Massive Chalice? SpaceBase? Broken Age? In any positive light?
Massive Chalice is ok in the same way that Heroes of the Storm is ok. There's nothing substantial there to keep people playing despite it being a game that REQUIRES you to keep playing over and over again. SpaceBase is widely derided as the worst promise they've ever broken for many people. Broken Age is in two parts, required more money, and still was largely considered a crap example of Point-n-Click, most people just went and played Book of Unwritten Tales since the puzzles actually had some amount of logic and hints and the story not full of more plotholes than post-Karpyshian Mass Effect.
"An otherwise solid record". If you don't take into account the last five or so years. About the only thing commendable is releasing a remastered Grim Fandango, which sorta also went into helping other projects along.
In short, Fuck Schafer, Fuck DoubleFine, and especially Fuck Fig.co, they ain't getting anymore of my sympathy or money until they actually release something that is a complete game devoid of embedded fishhooks.
People can talk about a solid record, but how many people talk about Costume Quest? [s/]Fire Emblem Knockoff[/s]Massive Chalice? SpaceBase? Broken Age? In any positive light?
Massive Chalice is ok in the same way that Heroes of the Storm is ok. There's nothing substantial there to keep people playing despite it being a game that REQUIRES you to keep playing over and over again. SpaceBase is widely derided as the worst promise they've ever broken for many people. Broken Age is in two parts, required more money, and still was largely considered a crap example of Point-n-Click, most people just went and played Book of Unwritten Tales since the puzzles actually had some amount of logic and hints and the story not full of more plotholes than post-Karpyshian Mass Effect.
"An otherwise solid record". If you don't take into account the last five or so years. About the only thing commendable is releasing a remastered Grim Fandango, which sorta also went into helping other projects along.
In short, Fuck Schafer, Fuck DoubleFine, and especially Fuck Fig.co, they ain't getting anymore of my sympathy or money until they actually release something that is a complete game devoid of embedded fishhooks.
Yeah! Let's Give double fine more money! I mean after Broken Age and Space Base DF9 what could possibly go wrong?
*sigh* It's cool to see Psychonauts 2 become a thing, but why couldn't Double Fine just fund it with their own money? Just fucking once quit relying on crowdfunding and then breaking your promises shrugging your shoulders and then turning around and announcing a new crowdfunding campaign...
*sigh* It's cool to see Psychonauts 2 become a thing, but why couldn't Double Fine just fund it with their own money? Just fucking once quit relying on crowdfunding and then breaking your promises shrugging your shoulders and then turning around and announcing a new crowdfunding campaign...
I think that's a fair point.Smilomaniac said:
I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, his works been a little shady lately. He certainly isn't a good manager. I can understand why people would be upset with him.
On the other hand, while I think he deserves criticism, I do think he's been treated a bit unfairly. The people who bought Broken Age got the full game, and they didn't have to pay an additional fee for it. It languished for a bit, but he got the game finished, and delivered on his promise. Delays aren't that unusual, and I would rather him delay his work and deliver then rush something out.
Creative work is a messy business, and I think Kickstarter has shown us that. People treat it like it's a failure because so many of the games go over budget, or take longer then expected. But that's normal, I believe. The difference is that, with most games, the publisher keeps that stuff secret. Their the only ones that get upset. With the openness of Kickstarter I think the chinks are visible for the first time. That doesn't absolve Tim of all guilt, but I think it's something to keep in mind. If Star Wars had been built by kickstarter, people would probably have labeled that a failure too : /
Another thing to consider would probably be the hiring of some pricey voice actors in alot of his projects(and as much as I understand the voice actor strike thingy, of which the majority are a part of, I still think it's a bit entitled to think that they deserve royalties for their performances considering they're a very small portion of what a game can be) and parties that happen often enough for some people to have open invitations. And then the next week downsize some people because of money problems...Fox12 said:
I just think we should try to keep these things in context. They were spectacular failures in their ways, but it seems unfair to allow them to completely eclipse the fact that they have still put out other, complete products. Massive Chalice and Costume Quest 2 come to mind as most recent and, while I can't verify the quality myself, they seemed to have mostly positive reviews on Steam.zellosoli said:
Be skeptical, and be cautious, that is the correct response. I just don't like those two games being presented as if they're the only things Doublefine has ever done.
It's too bad he didn't take Notch up on his offer when he had the chance. Since I have yet to play the first one I have no real interest in this anyway. Now if he were making another Iron Brigade or Br?tal Legends I would definitely support that, but I honestly don't see either of those getting sequels any time soon, if at all.
Thing is, most of those failures don't go running back to kickstarter and given money to make the same mistakes again...Most of those mistakes don't make half a game(even if it wasn't the focus of the first kickstarter) and then spend three releases making money to make the other half meanwhile holding it hostage with "if this doesn't sell enough, we don't make a complete game".piscian said:
Personally I'm just sick of seeing the same/similar things that the big publishers are routinely lambasted for being given a pass if the persons doing it claim the status of "INDEPENDENT FROM PUBLISHERS".
Also, I'm just going to ignore that you seriously just agreed with circular logic as a valid excuse. Geraldo might not have a clue on the Iraq situation, doesn't mean that anyone that holds similar opinions is just as full of shit(I'm assuming, I have no idea who he is).
Honest question guys, are we 100% sure that Schafer and Inafune aren't actually the same immortal being with Mystque-esque shapeshifting powers? Cuz this has Red Ash written all over it.
uggghhhhh I don't know whether to back or not. What's your opinion, Mr. Inafune?
Excellent counterpoint.
uggghhhhh I don't know whether to back or not. What's your opinion, Mr. Inafune?
Excellent counterpoint.
