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axia777

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Dual-Cores are fine for everyday computing including high end gaming. Quad-Cores are really used for more high-end stuff like Auto CAD rendering, 3D Modeling, high end Photoshop, video processing, 3D Rendering, and stuff like that. Most users will never benefit from the extra two cores. Most users THINK that they are using those extra two cores but in reality they never even touch them.
 

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E8400>Q6600 in games any day of the week if you say oc Q6600 you can oc e8400 easily also most oc easily to 4ghz. Biggest difference is Q6600 is hotter then e8400.

If you use pc for Photoshops 3D modeling, rendering, autocad get Q6600 then.
 

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Eggo post=9.75061.856285 said:
Most Q6600 GO's can safely get to around 3.4Ghz on air.
Would just like to throw in my 2 cents, and agree with Eggo. My Q6600 w/ Go Stepping is overclocked to 3.4 on air, and has been for 6 months now, at least.

I've not had any game that could make it choke, yet.

So, the dual core, while a magnificent processor, just isn't quite as (to use someone elses word) future-proof as a quad-core is.
 

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Richard Groovy Pants post=9.75061.856475 said:
Codgo post=9.75061.856469 said:
Well i'm into high end photoshop stuff and other demanding software so thats all cool.
No you're not.

I'm a Photoshop user myself, heck even a little bit of Maya but i don't do high quality rendering and neither do you.
I do. I once rendered a two minute 30 second scene of just a stacked bunch of NURBS glasses that were only clear in Mental Ray. They were on a wood bar with some glasses in the background. I seem to remember using about 20 lights sources approximating normal sunlight in the afternoon(around 3PM). At the time I just had a normal single core processor. It took just over 6 days of watching lines of Rendering in Maya fly by. I would have died for a Quad-Core. I almost did not make my final because it too so damn long.
 

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Eggo post=9.75061.856467 said:
...4 GHz won't do anything for gaming though.
Yes it will if his gpu is gtx 280 or 4870x2 which still are limited by cpus. By the way from technical standpoint e8400 is smaller and has SSE4.1
 

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Richard Groovy Pants post=9.75061.856599 said:
axia777 post=9.75061.856588 said:
Richard Groovy Pants post=9.75061.856475 said:
Codgo post=9.75061.856469 said:
Well i'm into high end photoshop stuff and other demanding software so thats all cool.
No you're not.

I'm a Photoshop user myself, heck even a little bit of Maya but i don't do high quality rendering and neither do you.
I do. I once rendered a two minute 30 second scene of just a stacked bunch of NURBS glasses that were only clear in Mental Ray. They were on a wood bar with some glasses in the background. I seem to remember using about 20 lights sources. At the time I just had a normal single core processor. It took just over 6 days of watching lines of Rendering in Maya fly by. I would have died for a Quad-Core. I almost did not make my final because it too so damn long.
See? This gent knows what he is talking about.
Quad Cores are really really really necessary only when movie/3d still image rendering is involved and if you do those EVERY SINGLE DAY.
And frankly only freelancers designers and designing companies fit in that description.
Thank you, after going to college I hope I know what I am talking about. LOL. Otherwise I wasted a truck load of cash. I work with Maya and ZBrush. ZBrush is another program that will eat Quad-Cores for breakfast. I get some model into the 15-20 million poly range. Even with a AMD Athalon X2 6400+ Black Edition Dual Core 3.2 Ghz processor and 8 GB of RAM is slows to a damn crawl. I NEED to get a Quad-Core. :( I am wasting on this Dual-Core like there was no tomorrow.
 

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I'm happy with my Q6600 G0, overclocked to 3.2. I haven't met a game that I can't max the settings on, except Crysis, but even that game utilizes all 4 cores so it's really my graphics card's fault.

A good cpu isn't as important for gaming as a graphics card. So long as your cpu doesn't bottleneck your card it should be fine.
 

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Richard Groovy Pants post=9.75061.856627 said:
Photoshop can only use more than one core if there isn't any other processes running
I don't know about that. I have Adobe Photoshop CS3 and I'm pretty damn sure it makes use of multiple cores, just not on every task.
 

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Richard Groovy Pants post=9.75061.855652 said:
Dual core.
Definitely dual cores- you see, most games (not all, but most) are just beginning to even fully utilize dual core technology. There are very few that take full advantage of more than two cores (Crysis Warhead and Far Cry 2 are ones that come off the top of my head). Also, if you have a high-end dual core system, you'll have a generally faster computer (as even operating systems don't take the biggest advantage of quad-core CPUs in my experience)...

You know, it really depends on the games you're going to be playing; some of the really new ones might be faster/smoother on a quad-core processor (not many), but really, a dual-core would be more versatile and wallet-friendly.

I could've bought a QX9650 processor (four cores, 3.0 Ghz per core) for my gaming pc when I built it, but I decided to switch the motherboard and get an AMD Athlon X2 6000+ (dual core, each core at 3.0 Ghz) simply because there wasn't a huge need for me to get a quad core processor, even with the gaming needs I had.

Did that help?
 

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Eggo post=9.75061.856973 said:
A dual core is more versatile than a quadcore? More wallet friendly?

What?

The Q6600 overclocks dead easily to 3.0 GHz and that is all you need for everything other than synthetic benchmarks.
No, no- I didn't mean it like that! A quad-core is certainly more versatile than a dual-core. I suppose what I was saying was that the multi-threading for games has only recently taken full advantage of dual-core technology, and there are few games at the present that fully exploit quad-cores (or triple-cores in the case of a few models of the AMD Phenoms).

I also think I'm biased; the only quad-core CPU I could buy without having to put in an Intel motherboard would be an AMD Phenom, and I've heard that those aren't good for gaming at all (but I've heard some nice things about the Intels....).

And when I said more wallet-friendly, I was referring to dual-cores vs quad-cores in general; you know- a 4-core CPU will always cost more than a 2-core CPU of the same speed (but then OCing comes into play, as you said.)
 

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Not to mention it is ridiculous that you would spend $400 to $500 on a video card which will be obsolescent in three months and cripple it with a dual core processor while an overclocked Q6600 will last you at least three years.
An OC'd Dual Core will last just as long as your Quad Core, simply because we now have the situation were seriously powerful GPUs are having some of their spare processing power farmed out to task that would normally be the domain of the CPU.

The reality is the OP hasn't given any of us a decent enough amount of info to make a proper decision. In real terms dual core is a no brainer but to how can you recommend a quad core when we

a). Don't know his system specs
b). What he's going to be using it for
 

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Thank you. I was torn between the two for gaming and it seems the quad is winning. Time to go figure what eggo said.
 

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Eggo post=9.75061.857189 said:
Laughing Man post=9.75061.857166 said:
An OC'd Dual Core will last just as long as your Quad Core, simply because we now have the situation were seriously powerful GPUs are having some of their spare processing power farmed out to task that would normally be the domain of the CPU.
There are only so many tasks which can be made as parallel GPGPU instructions though. But as more and more applications and OS processes become better threaded, a quad core will leave a similarly priced dual core in the dust.

Laughing Man post=9.75061.857166 said:
The reality is the OP hasn't given any of us a decent enough amount of info to make a proper decision. In real terms dual core is a no brainer but to how can you recommend a quad core when we

a). Don't know his system specs
b). What he's going to be using it for
Because if he is willing to do a minor overclock, then a quad core is a no brainer.
The only real difference technically between them is that most quads use more power if I am correct. Both can overclock good and well the for the more power the quad uses it runs tasks better.
 

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Zrahni post=9.75061.856449 said:
E8400>Q6600 in games any day of the week if you say oc Q6600 you can oc e8400 easily also most oc easily to 4ghz. Biggest difference is Q6600 is hotter then e8400.

If you use pc for Photoshops 3D modeling, rendering, autocad get Q6600 then.
Not in Alan Wake! If I remember correctly...Not like it's out yet though.
 

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Uhh just have to say, AutoCAD isn't even optimized for dual core yet, and I know, I've been using AutoCAD 2006,7, & 8 for the past 4 years. Infact, ever since 07', AutoCAD has sucked more.
Now, if you want to talk about optimization, your looking at Revit, and anyone who renders 3d scenes in AutoCAD is an idiot, that program SUCKS for 3d!
Don't believe me? I can get a better render, in about 20 seconds with 3ds Max, vs about 4 hours with AutoCAD!
09' may have dual/quad core optimization, but I doubt it.. Infact, I doubt they will even continue autoCAD after 09', but what do I know?
 

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A quad core will leave a similarly priced dual core in the dust.
In 90% of tasks it won't since a similar priced dual core will come out of the box with a higher clockspeed, will OC to a higher clock speed and require less cooling to do so. Before you can say it will leave a Dual Core in the dust, with reference to the OP's post, you need to know what the OP is going to use it for. I am willing to bet that the OP is going to do what most people do, game, internet, watch movies, listen to music and maybe a bit of work on their PC certainly nothing that really justifies forking out for a Quad Core.
 

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Eggo post=9.75061.857609 said:
The thing is, he wouldn't be forking out for a quad core.

How many times do I have to say this before it's understood?

Is everyone here stuck in 2006?
I understand your point, Eggo. I suppose most of this arguing is dual-core users trying to justify why they don't have quad-core processors yet (I'm guilty!)...

What have you heard about the AMD Phenom line of processors?
 

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Eggo post=9.75061.857609 said:
The thing is, he wouldn't be forking out for a quad core.

How many times do I have to say this before it's understood?

Is everyone here stuck in 2006?
A 2.4Ghz quad is actually cheaper then a 3.0GHz when I checked newegg last.
 

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lol wow anyways idk im confused by this lol too many numbers can we shorten it or must i really research the subject?