Quentin Tarantino a misogynist?

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So I've got to write a final paper for my English course. Out of a list of possible topics I choose to write one which read "Quentin Tarantino: Is he a misogynist or does he present an empowering new view of women? Choose three of his films and make your case." I had never seen a QT film but was interested in trying them out. Not knowing what to expect, I watched Kill Bill, Inglorious Basterds, and Pulp Fiction. While watching them I was mostly concerned about whether or not they presented a misogynistic message. I don't care about whether QT is a feminist or not so much as whether he is a misogynist or not. What I found was that in these films, there was not one drop of misogynistic content. So now I'm like Bwhuuu...? why is this even an issue? Can someone please tell me why I was even asked this question in the first place?
 

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he's a misanthrope. but since he has more female characters than most misanthropes, he gets mislabeled as a misogynist. he's an equal opportunity hater.
 

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He's not a misogynist...

But he is a foot fetishist.

Did you watch both Kill Bill movies, btw?
 

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You were asked this question because your professor is a moron. Tarantino is awesome, and you should write your paper about how awesome he and his movies are.

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Anyway, I guess if you want to make a case about tarantino being a misogynist, you should try watching Deathproof. The entire first half of the money is about a group of women being drunk bimbos. The second half is about women being empowered and kicking ass though, soo...yeah, still not misogynistic.
 

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I find his obsession with "niggers" a bigger problem myself.

But no, I would't say he's misogynst.
 

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I suppose one could say that Tarantino puts women into traditional male roles to some extent, assigning traditional core male values of physical dominance and aggression to his heroines, but that would probably be as controversial as it gets in this regard.

Tarantino might sexualize his heroines a fair bit, but he doesn't really objectify them - if anything, it's clear they're in control - and they're usually anything but weak and timid types who just lay down and take it.
 

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Just say that QT represents a new vision of empowered women. Death Proof, Kill Bill 1 and 2, Jackie Brown and Inglorious Basterds are all the proof you need. Reservoir Dogs is all about the guys though.
 

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WayOutThere said:
So I've got the write a final paper for my English course. Out of a list of possible topics I choose to write one which read "Quentin Tarantino: Is he a misogynist or does he present an empowering new view of women?
What kind of english class are you taking and how is it even relevent to english? Aren't english topics usually concerned with Shakespeare, Blake and Dickens.
 

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the rye said:
WayOutThere said:
So I've got the write a final paper for my English course. Out of a list of possible topics I choose to write one which read "Quentin Tarantino: Is he a misogynist or does he present an empowering new view of women?
What kind of english class are you taking and how is it even relevent to english? Aren't english topics usually concerned with Shakespeare, Blake and Dickens.
Could be a media part of the course. 'English' does not just mean literature.
 

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the rye said:
WayOutThere said:
So I've got the write a final paper for my English course. Out of a list of possible topics I choose to write one which read "Quentin Tarantino: Is he a misogynist or does he present an empowering new view of women?
What kind of english class are you taking and how is it even relevent to english? Aren't english topics usually concerned with Shakespeare, Blake and Dickens.
Nope. most schools test your bullshitting skills when it comes to English and it extends to the teachers themselves bullshitting(assigning stupid topics that don't actually give any skill or tests anything one learns in the class)
 

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He's a food fetishist.

For the misogyny, I think he's just a well-rounded asshole, who thinks he's more talented than he really is.
Now, Frank Miller
 

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the only way QT could conceivably be considered misogynistic is if you took some derogatory remarks his characters make towards women as his own opinions.
yeah, that's all i've got... in the whole span of QT's career, the most misogynistic thing i can think of is michael madsen calling uma thurman a *****.
 

the rye

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What nonsense are they teaching now days, when i was in school (in the UK) i studied Great Expectations and Of Mice and Men.

This all sounds just...odd, i mean what kind of curriculum is this?
Looks like its up to me to save students from such nonsense... to the library!
 

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WayOutThere said:
So I've got the write a final paper for my English course. Out of a list of possible topics I choose to write one which read "Quentin Tarantino: Is he a misogynist or does he present an empowering new view of women? Choose three of his films and make your case." I had never seen a QT film but was interested in trying them out. Not knowing what to expect, I watched Kill Bill, Inglorious Basterds, and Pulp Fiction. While watching them I was mostly concerned about whether or not they presented a misogynistic message. I don't care about whether QT is a feminist or not so much as whether he is a misogynist or not. What I found was that in these films, there was not one drop of misogynistic content. So now I'm like Bwhuuu?...why is this even an issue? Can someone please tell me why I was even asked this question in the first place?
Well, anyone who presents women in a negative way in storytelling tends to get attacked as a sexist or misogynist at some point. Frank Miller is a recent victim who has been getting criticism due to the prostitutes present in "Sin City" and the way how he re-did the origins of Catwoman to make her a former prostitutde as well (with the cat suit being a fetish costume).

The issue can be complicated since a lot of it depends on context, the type of story being told, and of course arguements about what is considered to be sexist or not. Moviebob once did a video talking about the way feminism has changed over the years, largely by using the "Bond Girls" of an earlier age as an example, and how Playboy was actually viewed as being empowering for a long time. I don't agree with everything he said on the subject, but he made those parts of his point very well.

Right now, it can be said that when it comes to feminism there is an internal battle between the "hotties" and the "notties" so to speak. That is to say that good looking girls have a LOT of advantages in society, because even if people realize they will never "score" with them, they still want them around. Girls who don't have that kind of an advantage and don't see exceptions made for them, wind up getting upset, and making a lot of arguements about exploitation. When you follow the chain of logic in a lot of feminist arguements about exploitation, the bottom line eventually winds up at "I don't like it, because someone else is better than I am" (at least in that respect).

You'll notice in popular fiction that most female characters are attractive even if they think they aren't. This is universal and has nothing to do with exploitation by men, given the option female authors create their own empowerment fantasies, which includes attractiveness. This of course invokes the ire of those without those gifts by it's very nature.

With it comes to misogynist sentiments, it should be noted however that it doesn't nessicarly have to do with women being inferior, but also the misuse of irresponsible use
of power. A strong female character who uses her power ruthlessly against men, can be a misogynist stereotype, as can a portrayal of a girl using that power in a sort of "girls wanna have fun" along with the serious aspects. These kinds of portrayals are not always misogynistic, but they can be, that is a very subjective judgement and oftentimes involves looking at the big picture.

Rathern than bringing up Quentin Tarantino to make this point, I'd probably have brought in a couple of differant Anime series to make a point about these sentiments. The reason being is that it covers the gamut a lot better due to cultural differances where things aren't quite as frowned upon and thus there is less effort to conceal it. What a lot of people in the US don't "get" about Anime is that a lot of those "strong female characters" are exactly the opposite when you sit back and look at it. In a lot of cases your dealing with situations where presenting a girl with power is played for the absurdity, since the character acts feminine to an exagerrated degree and causes all kinds of problems. The "powerful anime girl throws a tantrum" is a genere stereotype. In most series these powerful girl heroes oftentimes wind up doing the right thing and saving the day, but they do so by typically overcoming those personality traits.

A good example of this is probably one of my favorite series, "The Dirty Pair". The novels on which it was based (which I have read translations of) are a sort of young-adult sci-fi adventure thing and not terrible by any means. On the other hand the anime versions while quite entertaining generally play up "girls with guns and authorities" for laughs, and make it an inevitable disaster when they get involved, even if it's often due to no fault of their own (though depending on the version, irresponsibility does enter into the equasion). It's funny, and not intended to be taken entirely seriously, but the very nature of the humor definatly does reek of misogynism when you step back and view it through that lens. Series like "Moldiver" are arguably even worse, and then you've got "Tenchi Muyo" which is pretty much a bunch of superpowered girls turning into bimbos around this one guy, and having non-stop catfights until some overall threat shows up that they all gang up on.

But then again, I'll also say that Misogynism isn't nessicarly a bad thing. It presents balance, and people DO need to laugh at themselves. You'll notice that the other side of the coin gets just as much coverage, where men are played off as buffoons (with hyper-machoismo being especially mocked). This can either be something like a bunch of stereotypical "rednecks" trying to do something and messing it up ridiculously until they finally succeed, or simply a case where the guy is a moron who constantly winds up getting one-upped by his female partner. In the end it all balances out, and really the only ones who complain usually have some kind of axe to grind that goes beyond the material itself.
 
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I don't think he's a misogynist, I think he's just an idiot. I've seen both Kill Bills and Inglorious Basterds, and I don't think either film is NEARLY as deep or clever as they're made out to be.

But as for misogyny/feminism, I really have no idea.
 

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Frozen Donkey Wheel2 said:
I've seen both Kill Bills and Inglorious Basterds, and I don't think either film is NEARLY as deep or clever as they're made out to be.
I didn't know they were made out to be either deep or clever.
 

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Caligulove said:
He's a food fetishist.
Onyx Oblivion said:
But he is a foot fetishist.
I've only really known anything about QT for a week or two now and I'm already sick or hearing about that.

Onyx Oblivion said:
Did you watch both Kill Bill movies, btw?
yes
Dirty Hipsters said:
You were asked this question because your professor is a moron.
Now I think it a little early to conclude that. She never said she thought QT is a misogynist. She's asking us if we think that. Apparently there are people who think that or she wouldn't be asking.


marcogodinho said:
Just say that QT represents a new vision of empowered women.
Yeah, it looks like that's what I'll be doing. When I choose this topic I was more interested in examining what kind of controversy this guy's stired up but as I am being graded on this interested or not I'd better buckle down and do it.


the rye said:
What kind of english class are you taking and how is it even relevent to english? Aren't english topics usually concerned with Shakespeare, Blake and Dickens.
It's called English 252 Images of Men and Women. It is first and foremost a writing class.


the rye said:
What nonsense are they teaching now days, when i was in school (in the UK) i studied Great Expectations and Of Mice and Men.
Many films have been made that match the greatness of those works. Besides it's not about being exposed to great art it's about your ability to interpret and analyze a work. Most specifically it's about your ability to conclude what a modern work implicitly says about our society's conception of the genders.


the rye said:
This all sounds just...odd, i mean what kind of curriculum is this?
The course concerns itself with how men and women have been concieved throughout history what modern thoughts on the matter are.
 

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I don't think you'll get what QT thinks of women until you watch Death Proof. I would say he empowers women.
 

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Well as my sister put it, he doesn't create strong female leads, he creates female victims, so at the very least he's misrepresented as someone who empowers women when he in fact doesn't.