Queries about circumcision

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

I must say, I enjoy not having shmegma... or however it's spelled.

But in all reality, I don't think circumcision does anything, and I'd rather have my foreskin taken away while I was young and couldn't remember the feeling than fucking now.

Seriously- This is a trivial argument.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Shit.

This won't end well.

Anyone who wishes to survive may join me in my bunker. I have all the hookers and Blackjack you could ever want.

OT: Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that any medical procedure has risks and removing a small boy's foreskin for anything less than a medical concern is not a great idea.

I'm with you. I'll bring the Maple Syrup and Poutine, you grab the chips and popcorn.

 

[Forgetitnow344]

Uncircumcised penises are so ugly...

But that's all I have against them. If I was never circumcised, I'm sure I would be used to it and think circumcised penises were ugly. If I have a son, he won't be circumcised unless it's medically necessary. It's a permanent decision about the aesthetic of his penis. He gets to make the decision on his own.

Spoiler: About the reduced sensitivity...

So I come even FASTER? Why the hell would I want that?

Just kidding.

Maybe.

 

[Slayer_2]

Warning, this is in detail and might gross out some people. Anyhow, I'm not circumcised, but as a I grew my foreskin didn't as much, so now it only covers half of my head, when flaccid. When erect, I look circumcised, so girls usually can't tell. The front part of my head is dried up and less sensitive, at first, when I was growing, it was uncomfortable to even wear clothes, but it hardened up and got less sensitive over time. Pretty crappy, so I imagine it's like that for the whole head of circumcised people. Pretty much, I'm happy I have most of my foreskin still.

 

[BlackStar42]

Shit.

This won't end well.

Anyone who wishes to survive may join me in my bunker. I have all the hookers and Blackjack you could ever want.

OT: Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that any medical procedure has risks and removing a small boy's foreskin for anything less than a medical concern is not a great idea.

Do you have candy as well?
I know we're mortal enemies, but we're both human damn it. You can't just leave me here with another circumcision thread.

Shit.

This won't end well.

Anyone who wishes to survive may join me in my bunker. I have all the hookers and Blackjack you could ever want.

I know I only called you a Demi-God....but could you find it in your heart to let me in? I don't think I can handle another of these threads

I'll let you both in, because that's just how awesome and benevolent I am.

Is there room for one more? I'll even bring Guinness!

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

For more info, check this site out: http://www.circinfo.com/index.html

In another discussion I linked a link from that site. You know what happened? Ad Hominem happened; lots and lots of it. Most of the arguments I see around it are fairly arbitrary and anecdotal in nature. Ultimately it's more the knowledge of it that creates a controversy based on people's personal sense of ethics, not the procedure itself. In that case, I have difficulty giving a shit about it.

 

[Dimitriov]

The only reason your parents, and their parents, did it is because of some whacked out religious belief/tradition that has little place in modern society.

Except that some people, regardless of religious beliefs or lack thereof, have to do it for medical reasons where there's no ultimately sufficient alternative.

I think it's not hard to extrapolate that what I meant was that's why it's widespread, not why it's done in all cases. All sorts of appendages get sliced up as treatment, dick included.

OT- I'm circumcised, and I couldn't care less, but I don't plan on making any child I have go through it. I also think the religious reasons are more important than the minute chance of fuck-ups.

Here we go.

And you think religious religious are more important than anything, why, exactly?

That's not what he said, is it? Go back and read it again, then you might be able to comment intelligently.

Since when is "the minute chance of fuck-ups" not covered by 'anything'? Unless the guy mistyped, I'm pretty sure I understood his point to the fullest extent. He views religious views as important to some degree, I'm asking why.

See, if I say I like chips better than anything that means I like chips more than everything else in the universe (sex, candy, true love, immortality, EVERYTHING).

If I say I like chips more than cookies it means just that and nothing else. Understand yet? NO?

Okay, what he said was that he considers "religious reasons" more important than one fairly specific thing which he considers unlikely to occur. I have no information to give on the probability of it myself, but the language is pretty clear.

 

[kouriichi]

I have been "genitally mutilated" since i was a young child.
From what i can guess, theres basically no change from being uncircumcised, though i have never been. Sex is.... well sex. Its not bad, but im not the kind of guy who will jump through hoops for it. My wife says shes not in the mood? I go play Dark Souls and Chill with my boy Havel for a bit. (Once you get past the whole "trying to crush you alive" thing, hes a really sweet guy)

Ive had times where i disappointed my wife ((Only happened twice, but it has happened)), and ive had times where im going long after shes ready to finish. I think it really all comes down to your level of sexual activity. Chances are you'll be just as good at it, or better, then someone uncircumcised based on your level of endurance.

In the end, a penis is a penis. Weather circumcised or not, sex is still going to make you happy (to a certain extent. Money makes me happier then sex. Id rather take 200$ over sex with any supermodel, because sex is a one time thing, and im the kinda guy who likes long term value). So, keep your head up, dont dwell on it, and if you end up being terrible at sex, blame your parents. I did that with driving, handling large sums of money, and dancing. I think being a good dancer is somewhere genetic. Short of a tangoooooo~ or a slow dance, i cant bust a groove to save my life.

 

[Reginald the Butler]

As someone else mentioned, uncircumcised penises just look... well, weird. In fact when I was a kid I never thought there was a difference until sex ed class. They showed pictures of uncircumcised penises, and my first though was, "Whoa! What the hell is that?".

Anyways I was circumcised and don't really mind. If I have a son, I'll probably do the same for him. To me it just seemed like one of those steps you take when your child is born, sorta like vaccinations. (Note: I am not saying that circumcision is equivalent to or as important as childhood vaccinations.)

 

[malestrithe]

Yeah, I don't care what you do with your child and yourself. If you want to have your child circumcised, that's your decision. I hope that you keep it private, among your close friends and family, and in the appropriate context. I do not care how close we get, the last thing I want to hear in a bar or a restaurant is that you are considering circumcising your child. At the hospital would be better.

Now that I said that, I need to get back to reading about hoe moviebob is such a meanie for not agreeing with me this week on something.

 

[Maze1125]

As someone else mentioned, uncircumcised penises just look... well, weird. In fact when I was a kid I never thought there was a difference until sex ed class. They showed pictures of uncircumcised penises, and my first though was, "Whoa! What the hell is that?".

Anyways I was circumcised and don't really mind. If I have a son, I'll probably do the same for him. To me it just seemed like one of those steps you take when your child is born, sorta like vaccinations. (Note: I am not saying that circumcision is equivalent to or as important as childhood vaccinations.)

But why?
Why do something physically painful to a child "just because"?

We vaccinate to protect from childhood diseases, but the only thing circumcision has been proven to protect against are a few STDs, something no-one should have to worry about until they're old enough to consider the pros and cons for themselves.

A vaccination is far far less painful than circumcision, and if it had no proven health benefits, there's no way I'd even do that to my child.
Ignoring the mutilation argument entirely, tradition is no reason to cause a child pain, no matter how minor. And circumcision isn't minor.

 

[The Funslinger]

Shit.

This won't end well.

Anyone who wishes to survive may join me in my bunker. I have all the hookers and Blackjack you could ever want.

OT: Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that any medical procedure has risks and removing a small boy's foreskin for anything less than a medical concern is not a great idea.

Agreed, though it's my understanding that most North American men are circumcised.

I was baffled, and queried my pen pal in the throes of sympathy pains about that when I found out.

I guess it'll just be a surprise for the American lasses when I go over there for university.

 

[lacktheknack]

WHY WOULD YOU START THIS THREAD? D:

Fine.

I'm circumcised, I have no comparison, I feel fine, I don't care. I note that the most vehemently anti-circumcision people are not, the people who care least are those who are. So that should say something.

Will I circumcise my sons? I dunno lol. I'll play it by ear based on what's recommended by the doctor and what my wife feels about it. I don't think it makes significant enough of a difference to make the hilariously big deal that people like to make of it.

 

[Woodsey]

"with some (potentially biased) opinions dubbing it "genital mutilation" (which shocked me)."

Because it is - whether you agree with circumcision or not, it is genital mutilation.

Anyway: when you first start jacking it, your bell-end is incredibly sensitive. Once you get used to having your foreskin rolled back, it is less sensitive.

Never had a foreskin? Less sensitive bell-end.

The crux of the argument that this will inevitably descend into is that it's not the place of the parents to start chopping off body parts because they're religious or because they "just want him to look like his Dad".

Most people probably don't give a shit - but some people do, and they should be allowed the choice of what happens to their own body. (Obviously this is excluding medical reasons.) That people could be so willy-nilly (heh) about having body parts permanently removed with no say in the matter is beyond me.

Funnily enough, it's such a massive phenomenon in the States amongst non-Jews because it was originally intended to stop guys wanking.

I must say, I enjoy not having shmegma... or however it's spelled.

You'd think people who'd been circumcised had never been taught how to wash.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

Don't worry. I am telling you, as a circumcised non-virgin, that sex is still totally awesome. I remember worrying about the same thing, and trust me, it's fine. I've never felt let down (and neither have my partners... as far as I know) by it, besides, we all know it's about the yaw girth.

 

[Psychedelic Spartan]

I am circumcised and have been since a few days after my birth, so I have no basis for comparison, but I am as horny as the next guy and enjoy the feeling of sex just fine. I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

But how would you know? Like you said, you have no basis for comparison.

The same way people know I'm missing something and should be outraged at my parents, I suppose.

It's not the same thing comparison though.

He's talking about sensation, though, for which he cannot make the comparison because he cannot say for certain which is better.

I dont support circumcision.

I do, however, support a parents right to choose for their child. The solution in my eyes is properly educating people about circumcision, not banning it.

Proper education doesn't always work though. You can tell some people exactly how to not fuck something up and they will still do it. That's why it's still practiced, primarily by the religious (aka, the feeble-minded).

Besides, shouldn't it be your choice whether or not to be mutilated? And it is mutilation. It hurts like a ************ and the aftereffects are not well understood and can in some cases lead to death. Not often, but the fact that it can happen (as well as the risk of an ill-performed operation) is reason enough not to do it. The only benefit is the reduced HIV/AIDS thing, but that's not as prevalent in the west and is something one can learn about if one chooses.

There's no justification for circumcision. It's an old religious tradition that doesn't even try to fix what isn't broken.

Besides, why the fuck is a foreskin supposed to be a covenant with God?

It's actually rather simple. It's not the circumcision itself that is the covenant, but rather that God commanded to Abraham that he and all his male descendants should have a reminder in their flesh of the covenant in which God promised that Abraham would be fruitful and multiply, so what better place for the reminder than the thing that lets you be fruitful and multiply. Sources: being Jewish.

 

[lacktheknack]

I must say, I enjoy not having shmegma... or however it's spelled.

But in all reality, I don't think circumcision does anything, and I'd rather have my foreskin taken away while I was young and couldn't remember the feeling than fucking now.

Seriously- This is a trivial argument.

That logic is pretty flawed. You are happy having part of your body cut off because you don't want to take a few seconds in the shower to wash yourself?

Something I don't remember, never have and never will short of ridiculous head traumas.

That's why I don't give a rip either way.

 

[lacktheknack]

I'm circumcised, I have no comparison, I feel fine, I don't care. I note that the most vehemently anti-circumcision people are not, the people who care least are those who are. So that should say something.

You can't miss something you never had, people who are uncut can.

That's what it says to me.

That's a problem?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Shit.

This won't end well.

Anyone who wishes to survive may join me in my bunker. I have all the hookers and Blackjack you could ever want.

OT: Any doctor worth their salt will tell you that any medical procedure has risks and removing a small boy's foreskin for anything less than a medical concern is not a great idea.

Agreed, though it's my understanding that most North American men are circumcised.

I was baffled, and queried my pen pal in the throes of sympathy pains about that when I found out.

I guess it'll just be a surprise for the American lasses when I go over there for university.

Well we can blame Kellogg for that (yeah, the cereal guy).

Dude was a friggin' fanatic [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Harvey_Kellogg#Theological_views].

Scared a lot of parents into mutilating their children.

 

[Sam Warrior]

My understanding is that it can reduce the transmission of some sexually transmitted diseases, its generally cleaner and can make the guy last longer during sex (never a bad thing). My opinion is that it shouldn't be done without good medical reason, though those crop up more often than you'd expect. Overall not a bad thing really, wont cause you any problems and shouldn't effect your sex life in a bad way.