Question about being overweight
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The problem is, the cause of obesity isn't as simple as "eating too much" as many people here are saying.
http://www.alcat.com/assets/File/Food%20Intolerance%20Causes%20Obesity%20and%20-%20Premature%20Aging%20The%20Townsend%20Letter%20-%20Roger%20Deutsch.pdf
There's evidence that food intolerance is a significant contribute to obesity. Many of the artificial ingredients used commonly in food today can cause a variety of problems which lead to poor health and obesity. And it's not like people can just not eat the artificial stuff, but the problem is, it's fucking everywhere, and there's tons of misinformation on what's good for you and what's not. And it doesn't help that the stuff that's actually healthier for you costs more then the cheap, artificial stuff.
There's also significant evidence that malnutrition contributes to obesity:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/08/050805111232.htm
Yes, malnutrition is actually a big problem in developed countries. Our general diet has shifted from a healthy, nutritious one to one high in fat and sugar and large quantities of food. From the article:
"An increase in availability of more high-fat and sugar-laden foods has led to a surge of nutrition-related chronic diseases around the world. At the same time that diets have changed, physical activity has decreased. The highest rates of overweight and obesity are now often found in low-income groups. Many populations have been left in the midst of an obesity crisis that exists with food insecurity and under-nutrition."
The problem is, many people that don't have much money can't afford healthy food. Shitty, unhealthy food is cheaper and more available then healthy food.
"In a separate article published in the May 2005 American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Kennedy and co-author Linda Meyers, PhD, Director of the Food and Nutrition Board, Institute of Medicine, note that large parts of the developing world are plagued with micronutrient deficiencies. "Deficiencies of micronutrients, such as iron, iodine, zinc and vitamin A, contribute to 'hidden hunger' and while the statistics on micronutrient status for women in developing countries are scarce," she says, "it is clear that a large percentage of women from developing countries suffer negative health and nutrition consequences."
I'm not saying personal responsibility isn't a problem either, because it is, but there are other factors that a lot of people can't control as easily, especially with all the false nutritional information and fad diets that are constantly being shoved down our throats as how to lose weight and be healthy. It's not just the fault of people being lazy, it's also the fault of food producers and the government.
http://www.alcat.com/assets/File/Food%20Intolerance%20Causes%20Obesity%20and%20-%20Premature%20Aging%20The%20Townsend%20Letter%20-%20Roger%20Deutsch.pdf
There's evidence that food intolerance is a significant contribute to obesity. Many of the artificial ingredients used commonly in food today can cause a variety of problems which lead to poor health and obesity. And it's not like people can just not eat the artificial stuff, but the problem is, it's fucking everywhere, and there's tons of misinformation on what's good for you and what's not. And it doesn't help that the stuff that's actually healthier for you costs more then the cheap, artificial stuff.
There's also significant evidence that malnutrition contributes to obesity:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/08/050805111232.htm
Yes, malnutrition is actually a big problem in developed countries. Our general diet has shifted from a healthy, nutritious one to one high in fat and sugar and large quantities of food. From the article:
"An increase in availability of more high-fat and sugar-laden foods has led to a surge of nutrition-related chronic diseases around the world. At the same time that diets have changed, physical activity has decreased. The highest rates of overweight and obesity are now often found in low-income groups. Many populations have been left in the midst of an obesity crisis that exists with food insecurity and under-nutrition."
The problem is, many people that don't have much money can't afford healthy food. Shitty, unhealthy food is cheaper and more available then healthy food.
"In a separate article published in the May 2005 American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, Kennedy and co-author Linda Meyers, PhD, Director of the Food and Nutrition Board, Institute of Medicine, note that large parts of the developing world are plagued with micronutrient deficiencies. "Deficiencies of micronutrients, such as iron, iodine, zinc and vitamin A, contribute to 'hidden hunger' and while the statistics on micronutrient status for women in developing countries are scarce," she says, "it is clear that a large percentage of women from developing countries suffer negative health and nutrition consequences."
I'm not saying personal responsibility isn't a problem either, because it is, but there are other factors that a lot of people can't control as easily, especially with all the false nutritional information and fad diets that are constantly being shoved down our throats as how to lose weight and be healthy. It's not just the fault of people being lazy, it's also the fault of food producers and the government.
i've gained weight recently and I'm super-paranoid about being overweight. Unfortunately, the amount of money i make doesn't make eating just-healthy foods viable option. Eating very healthy is startlingly expensive, especially when you factor in other living costs.
i"m NOT overweight, I just feel it but that's one reason: costs of eating and lifestyle.
i"m NOT overweight, I just feel it but that's one reason: costs of eating and lifestyle.
Why just you don't eluded yourself that everyone who is overweight should be bulimic/anorexic.Limzz said:
there are medical issues to be stated here both internally and externally no matter what you say or state, we are built to store and conserve as much energy as possible.
losing weight is never the problem, it can easily be done however the hardiest thing to do it to maintain that weight for the long term, not only are there mental issues to consider there are also lifestyle changes that must be considered as well for you life
mental issues can prevent or (drastically) cause a person to lose/gain weight, some people decide try and lose weight because of age, relationships (aka, sex in my biased words), ambitions (a morbidly obese man wants to be a pilot for example) and health.
A lot of people aren't willing to accept pain, or discomfort. As such, they won't exercise or eat less/better. In this way, they pretty much block themselves from effectively losing weight. I was 280 pounds and 6'1' as a 14 year old, and I kept it until I got a job that not only gave me exercise, but taught me work ethic and a whole mess of other stuff. Long story short, within 6 months of getting that job I had lost 110 pounds, and then gained back 40 of that in muscle.
No-one is genetically fat, it may be easier for them to put on weight, but with proper diet and exercise, anyone can lose fat.Julianking93 said:
'genetically' fat people may have a simple intolerance to a staple food.
It depends, a big bag of pasta and a few cans of tuna are about £5, then a few chicken fillets, bag of rice, maybe a steak, a few other sides. A weeks shopping for £30-35chinangel said:
I assume because some people enjoy food and dislike exercise. There are also those who don't find that the amount of time it takes to get fit for them is worth it and so they live on as they would. You could say a similar thing about people who don't study.Limzz said:
I think the main reason is people are too focused on their long-term goals. If you are 17 stone (238 lbs) and want to lose 6 stone, obviously it won't happen overnight, or even within 6 months in most cases, that is a lot of fat to shift and it can be demotivating when it seems you're not progressing. Wheras if you focus on a short term goal of maybe losing 1 stone a month, and acheive it, you feel good and want to carry on.
Just my 2 pence.
Just my 2 pence.
The same reason most drug addicts can't stop doing heroin despite the fact its the source of there depression.
Eating food gives you a very positive stimulus. It feel good to eat. It feels extra good to eat high fat high sugar foods. Eating shit food makes us feel loads better then eating steamed carrots and celery. Fatty foods and candies give us a high, and its hard to give up that high.
Mix that in with some people have a harder time losing weight then others along with everyday life...
Its not that healthy food isn't available to us. Nor that its to expensive.
I'm overweight as well, and i struggle with it as well. There is a withdrawal stage to not eating fatty, sugary foods.
When your biting into a rice cake with a side of carrot and steamed rice for lunch all I can think about is how much a god damn bowl of spaghetti with cheese and meatballs would taste right now.
I random get craving to eat cookies, or ice cream, or chocolate or... I need to stop I'm getting hungry.
The exercise. Fuck. No. You know the runner high people talk about? Well you don't experience that at first. What you experience is indescribable pain. Not to mention things like jogging or running is harder for us since we usually have some pretty heavy self image problems. When i jog i wake up at about 4:00am, running hurts and all you can think about when you have low self esteem is how your jiggling. This makes us more depressed, and makes us want our crutch(fatty foods) even more.
Finally, its just easier to get your hands on crappy food. How much effort do i need ot go through to boil some pasta, microwave some frozen meatballs, and melt some cheese on that.
Now, how much time does it take to cut up vegetables, sever all the fat tissue from your meat(Cutting meat is more helpful but is god damn hard to give up on meat), prepare rice and mix it together. It might not seem a lot, but when your used to making big greasy filling meals fast and now have to make thin, unfilling meals that take awhile its hard.
Some people mention money but, that's just not true.
Quite honestly i can get everything i need for a healthy two weeks of living for about 50 bucks. I spent about 150 bucks buying shitty food.
Healthy food is cheap. Rice is dirt cheap, fresh veggies are about 40-60 bucks for a whole months use, and if you got the guts to completely cut out meat well that's one less thing to buy.
Pop might be cheaper then juice but water is free, not to mention loads better for you and your metabolism. You should be getting your Vitamins from veggies and fruit anyways.
I don't have a medical journal, or scientific sites to backup what i say. Just my experience as a fatty trying to make a change in his life. In short...
-Fatty foods make us feel really good, Healthy foods can't compare.
-We get no enjoyment out of exercising, and those of us with serious image/self esteem problems find it extra hard.
-Its easier to prepare a high fat quick meal then it is to prepare a low fat meal that will not leave you feeling full(because heavy eating has likely stretched out your stomach and you likely have to cut your portions at least in half)
-Quitting meat is fucking hard.
Eating food gives you a very positive stimulus. It feel good to eat. It feels extra good to eat high fat high sugar foods. Eating shit food makes us feel loads better then eating steamed carrots and celery. Fatty foods and candies give us a high, and its hard to give up that high.
Mix that in with some people have a harder time losing weight then others along with everyday life...
Its not that healthy food isn't available to us. Nor that its to expensive.
I'm overweight as well, and i struggle with it as well. There is a withdrawal stage to not eating fatty, sugary foods.
When your biting into a rice cake with a side of carrot and steamed rice for lunch all I can think about is how much a god damn bowl of spaghetti with cheese and meatballs would taste right now.
I random get craving to eat cookies, or ice cream, or chocolate or... I need to stop I'm getting hungry.
The exercise. Fuck. No. You know the runner high people talk about? Well you don't experience that at first. What you experience is indescribable pain. Not to mention things like jogging or running is harder for us since we usually have some pretty heavy self image problems. When i jog i wake up at about 4:00am, running hurts and all you can think about when you have low self esteem is how your jiggling. This makes us more depressed, and makes us want our crutch(fatty foods) even more.
Finally, its just easier to get your hands on crappy food. How much effort do i need ot go through to boil some pasta, microwave some frozen meatballs, and melt some cheese on that.
Now, how much time does it take to cut up vegetables, sever all the fat tissue from your meat(Cutting meat is more helpful but is god damn hard to give up on meat), prepare rice and mix it together. It might not seem a lot, but when your used to making big greasy filling meals fast and now have to make thin, unfilling meals that take awhile its hard.
Some people mention money but, that's just not true.
Quite honestly i can get everything i need for a healthy two weeks of living for about 50 bucks. I spent about 150 bucks buying shitty food.
Healthy food is cheap. Rice is dirt cheap, fresh veggies are about 40-60 bucks for a whole months use, and if you got the guts to completely cut out meat well that's one less thing to buy.
Pop might be cheaper then juice but water is free, not to mention loads better for you and your metabolism. You should be getting your Vitamins from veggies and fruit anyways.
I don't have a medical journal, or scientific sites to backup what i say. Just my experience as a fatty trying to make a change in his life. In short...
-Fatty foods make us feel really good, Healthy foods can't compare.
-We get no enjoyment out of exercising, and those of us with serious image/self esteem problems find it extra hard.
-Its easier to prepare a high fat quick meal then it is to prepare a low fat meal that will not leave you feeling full(because heavy eating has likely stretched out your stomach and you likely have to cut your portions at least in half)
-Quitting meat is fucking hard.
For all the people saying that "Oh you're genetically overweight." or "Oh, I've worked out and dieted but still can't lose my weight/gain muscle" your wrong. Your either doing the wrong workouts or diets. Trust me, unless you are one of the 1 in 1,000,000 people who actually have a glandular problem, your can lose weight.
OP people are lazy.
OP people are lazy.
There are plenty of ways to fire up a metabolism, if our ancestors were in the same shape a lot of us are now, we'd have died out millenia ago. Since they are where our genes originate, it is extremely unlikely that every single person that claims to have a genetic abnormality causing obesity actually has one. Maybe 2-5% of the populationHG131 said:
Slow metabolism is actually a valuable gentic trait when there is not enough food around. You starve to death slower, and you are better at storing fat, and you consume less energy while in "rest mode".
In today's western society, however, fast metabolism is actually the most evolutionistic successful trait, seeing today's beauty ideal of thin persons, which mean slim people (often fast metabolism) gets to procreate more, or all in all have more 'beautiful' and successful offspring when on the stoneage they would be the first ones to go during hunger periods, and generally look more unhealthy and freeze because they had too little body fat. Slow metabolism today, however, often leads to obesity or overweight, which in turn leads to heart conditions and diabetes.
In today's western society, however, fast metabolism is actually the most evolutionistic successful trait, seeing today's beauty ideal of thin persons, which mean slim people (often fast metabolism) gets to procreate more, or all in all have more 'beautiful' and successful offspring when on the stoneage they would be the first ones to go during hunger periods, and generally look more unhealthy and freeze because they had too little body fat. Slow metabolism today, however, often leads to obesity or overweight, which in turn leads to heart conditions and diabetes.
Problem being that pasta is all carbs, i.e. all sugars which gets digested first. Your blood stream can only handle so many grams of carbs/sugars at a time, so the rest gets converted to fat. Whole wheat pasta that contains insoluble fibre is another story. Insoluble fibre is great, you crap it right out but while your body is trying to digest it you feel full, so you don't eat as much.tricky_tree said:
For many people, simply replacing soda with diet soda and bleached, processed grain with whole grains (containing a majority of insoluble fibre!) can make a big difference.
What I said about ancestors was mainly for those with the generic 'it's my genes' quotesThe Hairminator said:
Unless you're eating a stupid amount of pasta, this isn't really a problem at all.Koztah said: