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Guy from the 80's

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Hello Dutch people.

I'm suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome and read about a man who went to the Netherlands and got subscription medicine for it thats not available where I live. I'm curious if you know about a way to get in touch with a doctor so I can ask for an appointment.

edit : Also, if you know how much a consultation would cost then I'd apreciate that info as well.
 

Eleuthera

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I'm not sure where you're from, or where in the Netherlands you'd like to meet a doctor. But this might help http://nhg.artsennet.nl/English.htm, it's the website for the "Dutch College of General Practitioners", they should have most general information.

As to costs I couldn't say, GPs are always insured for Dutch citizens (and I think anyone from within the EU).

EDIT: I found a maximum charge for a (20 minute) consult ?25,94. There are some if and buts connected to this charge though.
 

Rastien

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If your looking to just go to Holland for "Mary" chances are you can get it more locally than you think, just need to speak to the right people.

I'm sure you know but if your just going to Holland to get stoned be aware don't try bringing some home with you.

But if it's not Mary you're looking for then good luck to you and your trip, hope you find the help/medicine you need.
 

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Guy from the 80 said:
Thank you for both of your replies. denseWorm, what are your thought on banning and why?
as a dutchie myself i find this bad as banning stuff only creates an illegal market for it and treatins the freedom of the ppl
 

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Banning it is the same as banning alcohol. (Except that alcohol is more harmful to health and society)

You'll be pleasing the Lucky Thompson's of the world.
 

rutger5000

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denseWorm said:
if you're making a reference marijuana as a potential medicine that will help your stress but which you may not have access to where you live, I suggest you travel there and attend a cafe quickly, because they are (thankfully) considering banning it again.
How on earth can you be thankful for the goverment banning marijuana again? The 'wiedpas' has proved to be dissasterous everywhere it's being applied. Crime would skyrocket if marijuana would ever be illigalized.
 

rutger5000

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Sorry to say but you gave way too little information for us to help you. I understand you're not comfortable with sharing these kinds of things. But we really need to know where you live and what medicine you're revering to in order to help you. Marijuana is indeed a great stress reliever, as long as you don't overdo it. Depending on where you live you can actually get Marijuana prescribed to you, but regardless of where you live a Dutch prescribtion (if that even exists) for Marijuana won't mean anything anywhere outside of the Netherlands.
 

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You can probably get some locally and it's probably going to be the same if you get over here.
Most people have a dealer these days cause it's cheaper, government be cracking down hard on drugstourists these days.
 

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rutger5000 said:
How on earth can you be thankful for the goverment banning marijuana again? The 'wiedpas' has proved to be dissasterous everywhere it's being applied. Crime would skyrocket if marijuana would ever be illigalized.
Even in the face of evidence, I assume he thinks that way because:
Shadap! Drugs are bad, mmkay?
 

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Though I will never touch the stuff, banning it does not work at all. People will get it regardless. Look at the current Weed Pass idiocy, drug-related incidents have risen very sharply in all Dutch cities it was introduced in. Make it legal, put some quality control rules and taxes on it, done. Same with other quasilegal stuff (shrooms, prostitution, whatever). As long as you don't bother others while using it, it's your own responsibility. Let the cops spend their time on crimes where there's actually a victim that hasn't gotten to choose...
 

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denseWorm said:
Guy from the 80 said:
Thank you for both of your replies. denseWorm, what are your thought on banning and why?
Thanks for the civil question ^_^ Medicinal marijuana is totally fine by me, and if it ever helps you in this life then all power to you, but I am looking forward to the day when clueless 16 year old homeboys can no longer say junk about a 'magic place called Amsterdam'. I don't know about the drugs themselves but the drug culture is tiresome.
Sooo, your only justification for criminalising marijuana is that you find potheads annoying?
 

DoomyMcDoom

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denseWorm said:
SpaceBat said:
rutger5000 said:
How on earth can you be thankful for the goverment banning marijuana again? The 'wiedpas' has proved to be dissasterous everywhere it's being applied. Crime would skyrocket if marijuana would ever be illigalized.
Even in the face of evidence, I assume he thinks that way because:
Shadap! Drugs are bad, mmkay?
Got nothing to do with evidence, I don't give a crap, but I do find people who yoke on and on about pot to be annoying, and any slight against them is fine by me.

I find it endlessly amusing that hordes of people with nothing like the life experience I have have the balls to imply that the fact that I think pot is annoying means I am somehow unreconstructed.

It's not a black and white issue. Just because I wouldn't care if someone ruined the day of every pothead out there doesn't mean I'm the kind of wank who would say "Shadap! Drugs are bad, mmkay?"

Frankly I haven't had a friend who was dumb enough to get his kicks from that particular source for years upon years and it hasn't made my life any worse. And it won't be any worse if they all get their plaything taken away from them.

As for crime skyrocketing, whatever *shrug* I've never been exposed to that shit, I don't go looking for it.
The kind of attitude you seem to posess, shows me that you either live a sheltered and bitter existence, or that you've had bad experiences with marijuana users, and have let those experiences embitter you too much.
I personally have used marijuana, and will likely do so again in the future, it made my life bearable in a time when nothing else helped, and has helped me to relax and open up my creative side more, which is great when you're a musician, a cook, and take an interest in writing, and painting, but tend to lack inspiration and find yourself stuck in a state where you're too critical of your own work to enjoy it.
However, from your statement above, you would think me to be an idiot for taking pleasure in said substance, I take offense to that, and I assure you, that if you took the time to read through some of my posts, you'd see how wrong such an assumption is.

Guy from the 80 said:
Hello Dutch people.

I'm suffering from post traumatic stress syndrome and read about a man who went to the Netherlands and got subscription medicine for it thats not available where I live. I'm curious if you know about a way to get in touch with a doctor so I can ask for an appointment.

edit : Also, if you know how much a consultation would cost then I'd apreciate that info as well.
Depending on where you're from you may have more luck in Canada, BC specifically, I've known quite a few people there who've been prescribed marijuana, and you're unlikely to ever be harrassed or questionned by police when it comes to use of the substance, also availability is REALLY high in BC, and there's a huge variety of breeds to choose from, and there are a lot of people who know the distinct propperties of the different kinds.

Just a suggestion, if you intend to use it, I would suggest purchasing a vapourizer for it, as it is one of the most efficient ways to use it, and as such you have less waste, and it reduces your costs significantly over time.
 

rutger5000

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denseWorm said:
SpaceBat said:
rutger5000 said:
How on earth can you be thankful for the goverment banning marijuana again? The 'wiedpas' has proved to be dissasterous everywhere it's being applied. Crime would skyrocket if marijuana would ever be illigalized.
Even in the face of evidence, I assume he thinks that way because:
Shadap! Drugs are bad, mmkay?
Got nothing to do with evidence, I don't give a crap, but I do find people who yoke on and on about pot to be annoying, and any slight against them is fine by me.

I find it endlessly amusing that hordes of people with nothing like the life experience I have have the balls to imply that the fact that I think pot is annoying means I am somehow unreconstructed.

It's not a black and white issue. Just because I wouldn't care if someone ruined the day of every pothead out there doesn't mean I'm the kind of wank who would say "Shadap! Drugs are bad, mmkay?"

Frankly I haven't had a friend who was dumb enough to get his kicks from that particular source for years upon years and it hasn't made my life any worse. And it won't be any worse if they all get their plaything taken away from them.

As for crime skyrocketing, whatever *shrug* I've never been exposed to that shit, I don't go looking for it.
Okay so I have to know. Do you actually live in the Netherlands? Cause if you don't you really need to shut up. Also even when crime does not always effects you, it's still a bad thing and you're supposed to be worried about it. If you just 'shrug' about crime skyrocketing you're pretty much saying "Shadap! Drugs are bad, mmkay". Crime skyrocketing by making Marijuana less legal, is a valid argument to make it more legal. That doesn't mean there isn't a counter argument, but by just ignoring it you're being incredibly ignorant.
 

DoomyMcDoom

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denseWorm said:
DoomyMcDoom said:
Definitely not sheltered. I have lived in Germany and Belgium though never Amsterdam (can't stand the accents) but I have visited the country a number of times. I've also lived in about half a dozen other countries around the world, some of which have even more freedom for potheads than Amsterdam (Beijing just doesn't enforce laws very much, especially on pimply teen foreigners in those grungy bar streets that seem to spring up in cities with large populations of expats)

I've had low points in my life, but I've never needed marijuana to make them 'bearable', and I cook every night, have had exhibitions (admittedly small and collaborative, but surely that means I'm creative) in multiple cities of my artwork and I play the piano very well - I spend most of my day listening to and thinking about music thanks to my iPod.

In my post above I go to great - admittedly badly written and needlessly argumentative - pains to state that I am not calling people idiots for taking drugs, I'm just calling them annoying. I get along fine these days and it's been a long time since my daily conversation circles have degenerated into debates on weed.

I'm pretty sure that if you hadn't decided to be the only one of a number of posters to quote me in an even manner then you might have cheerfully written something of an entirely different, potentially 'annoying' nature on this thread already. . . or not...

Annoying might be too brief a word to put on it, but I know what it means to be experienced, understanding and at piece with your situation, and you don't need weed to attain it - and when you have attained it, you shouldn't have to traipse around town preaching about your methods.

I've met my fair share of people who think they have no way out or think they are at rock bottom, even people who might tell stories about genuine personal loss, and I can claim parity with just about any of them in the 'hard knocks' stakes, but I never needed drugs to deal with my issues, I have my own methods, and as such I can truly claim to be the 'Captain of my ship', sans dope.

I haven't really cared about potheads for years now, because I've kept them from being a big part of my life - or else met friends who are too polite to discuss their social habits openly with me, I just added the word 'thankfully' in my original post on this thread then responded when someone typecast me for saying it.
I can understand that some people who are obsessed with their pot smoking lifestyle can be annoying, I know a few people like that, mainly because they identify themselves entirely by what they smoke, I'm sure you've had your bad times too, anyone who's actually experienced life has, I never said I "needed" it, but it made life a lot easier to cope with, only started using it at the end of a long hard road, and it helped a lot, also, by the way, using a crutch isn't a sign of weakness when you have a broken leg. I've been through a lot and even at the point where I was practically starving to death(I was pretty much eating a bowl of rice a day tops, maybe something else if it was given to me), I was supporting others off of my labours before feeding myself with the scraps(cuz rice is cheap), I just happened to know some people who grew the stuff, and when your entire life is pain, it can be nice to have something to aleviate that.

Now, when you speak of being "the captain of your own ship" if you think that a mild substance like marijuana controls a person, you must only know really weak people, because although it is habbit forming, the same thing can be said for a person who eats a certain thing often enough, it becomes a comfort, if you drink coffee regularily for instance, you have a stronger addiction/habbit than someone who smokes marijuana periodically.

Also friends that don't mention their social habbits, cannot be considered friends, a person whome you know little about is an aquaintance, a buddy, maybe a chum, but not a friend.

Also, the only reason I even posted in this thread originally, was because I found your projected attitude to be offensive to me, I gave the OP some advice on the subject out of consideration for the thread's topic.

Thing is, I do practice meditation regularily which helps with a lot, but when I experience certain kinds of pain, known as phantom pain, or ghost pains, in regions of my body where I've suffered nerve damage due to severe injury, nothing stops it until my brain either decides to realize that my leg hasn't been cut off, and it's just remembering the nerves don't connect, or I'm under the influence of something of a psychoactive nature, and out of all of the things that can work for it, I have the choice of morphine(doesn't always work, highly addictive, can kill me), heroine(highly addictive, can kill me), or marijuana(physically impossible for me to OD on, has almost no side effects).

I'm not sure if you've ever had a limb severed or partially severed, because even if the wound closes, and the muscle tissue and flesh are reconnected, quite often you get huge nerve damaged areas where the nervous connections don't re-mesh, sometimes, it doesn't have that problem, sometimes it does, and it's a sharp constant pain, it's not fun, and even though I can force myself to just "deal with it" I'd rather not if I can avoid it, life is short, and I've already been through enough, I'd rather have something to help me where I can get help, and try and live a life in which I can be productive, and even while I was smoking every single day without fail I washolding down two jobs, and doing extra work on top of it, I found my thoughts clearer and easier to focus on while high than while sleep deprived and in constant pain.

Also, maybe it helps me creatively because I'm normally a highly analytical, person, I have a hard time opening up creatively, might be because of my past, no matter what I did my art was "wrong" or "not good enough" I've always been good at cooking tasty food, but it was almost always straight forward, I like experimentation, but I rarely bother with it unless I have the drive or inspiration to bother with it, and when my mind is constantly wrapped up with figuring things out, or solving 10 other people's problems, I don't get that, after smoking a small quantity of marijuana I find that the repressed part of my brain just fires itself up, I get a rush of creative ideas across a variety of mediums.

Now, musically I played classical piano, for 8 years, during which time everyone loved my playing, except my parent, who couldn't care less, and treated it as a meaningless trivial thing, and due to family infighting, I lost access to the piano I used daily, and pianos aren't exactly cheap, being an impovrished individual, doesn't contribute well to buying anything but the basics, I haven't had a new pair of shoes in 3 years, and the last pair of pants I got was a christmas present 2 years ago, because I'd worn through my other pants to the point where the seams were just falling apart.

So I don't find people with the "I'm better than all these weak idiots" attitude towards anyone using anything, I've been there, I've lived in that shit for my entire fucking life.

This year, I finally made it out of the hellhole I was stuck in for so long, maybe, just maybe I can lead a more normal life, I bloody well hope so, cuz I'm down to a netbook(got for free), my bass guitar(present from a friend for my birthday, not an expensive instrument, but it works, don't have an amp for it, and I can't tune it propperly), and a handful of clothes.

And you know what helped me get to this point? Marijuana, know how? It gave me the clarity of thought required to see just that much farther out of the gloom that I'd been living under for so long, I sold pretty well everything I owned at the time, which wasn't much, but it was enough to ditch town and find a new place to start over.

If you want to pass judgement on people for any reason go ahead and do it, just do it with a bit of knowledge about them and their lives, not everyone has the kind of life you do, not everyone was brought up the same way, and not everyone has the same strengths and weaknesses as you.
 

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I also have a specific question for the Dutchies.

So, in the Austin Powers movie Goldmember, is the villain still Dutch in the Dutch language version? Does such a version exist? Just curious.
 

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denseWorm said:
DoomyMcDoom said:
It seems like an awful lot of pot users online cite nerve damage and such as the reason for their drug use. But I'm not going to argue over that any further.

I do not know about your life, never will know, and don't wish to know about your life. It sounds like you sorely need a change in scenery and a new role for yourself, but for all I know you're 16 years old and I'm wasting my breath.

You're right, not everyone has my life, but you're being unfair aswell. I know it's really easy to typecast me as someone who is judging people for using drugs, but again I go back to that word I have used twice so far: It's annoying. I'm not judging you, I'm getting annoyed by people - I'm not saying you're one of these people[footnote]I'm sure there are some people who would take pride in being the object of my disgust, they can continue to be if they want, it's been years since I had much contact with them.[/footnote] - yakking on about the virtues of pot, and becoming part time politicians in parties when someone makes the mistake of being anti-pot for their own reasons.

You're definitely being unfair about my relationships with friends. If they don't bring their social habits to my house when I invite them for dinner, if they don't turn up on my doorstep with spliffs but go elsewhere and do that with people of like mind, then I don't feel like they're not my friends. I think it just means they're sympathetic and mature about their habit. There's such thing as a time and a place, even with the everyman's great liberator - marijuana.

Summary: I don't judge people for using pot, I just don't think pot's the only tool for improving one's life, and I think loudmouth teens who laud pot up and down the streets are annoying.
I can respect that, I find people who do that annoying too for the most part, as they tend to be overzealous, and give all the rest of us people who use the stuff from time to time a bad name.
I do however think that the number of those people would drastically drop should the stuff become legal worldwide, as it would become just another thing, a non-issue, like tasty food, or a good beer, nobody preaches overmuch about that(well for the most part).
Also, trust me, I'm not 16, that was a long time ago for me, hell the first time I ever touched marijuana was at the age of 24. And even then only ever smoked like 2 joints that year...was later that the hard times hit, and I used it to stabilize, which was for pain relief(nerve fuckage) and helping me get to sleep, when you work 12-16 hour days, and you don't sleep, life can be rough. Insomnia is a *****.
 

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Dags90 said:
I also have a specific question for the Dutchies.

So, in the Austin Powers movie Goldmember, is the villain still Dutch in the Dutch language version? Does such a version exist? Just curious.
Sidestepping the weed discussion, I've decided to just answer you.

There is no Dutch language version, we don't dub movies here (except for children's movies and even then we'll have both versions in cinemas), they're all subbed. So yes, he's still Dutch (though I've only seen the movie once and it was years ago, so I can't really remember much about it)
 

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Guy from the 80 said:
Thank you for both of your replies. denseWorm, what are your thought on banning and why?
not going to work. Banning something just forces it underground. Case and point the prohibition era in the 30's.