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[Gavo]

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Hey, I have a Q6600 Intel (Quad-Core) CPU, and I recently installed a Zalman CNPS9500 on it, because my core temps were crazy, going 70+ under stress (i.e., Crysis). I put it in, and now my core temps have dropped from 50+ idle to around 34-38 idle. However, upon putting it back in the desk, I've found my temps to hover around 45-48. Is this okay? Under stress, it goes to about 60-63, with a 65 every now and then.

My question is: Is this okay? Would cutting a chunk of desk out from behind the computer help? Please respond.

Damn, these are the times I wish Eggo wasn't banned.

EDIT: For those wondering about the computer and why I don't think I can add a few fans:
My desk is kind of enclosed, if you're interested, go here to see it : http://s402.photobucket.com/albums/pp105/Gavo265/Computer%20Pics/
 

10BIT

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It sounds like one or more of the air vents are being blocked. It's best to give your computer plenty of space.

Edit: I don't believe these kind of temperatures are high enough to cause much damage, but it would be best to keep them as cool as you reasonably can. Below 50C is considered healthy.
 

megapenguinx

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Hmm my core temp right now is at 64C. I only have this window open and nothing else running, but then again it's on top of a chair so the vents may be blocked. I'd go with the second post and try to get some more ventilation in there.
 

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saikanoto said:
It sounds like one or more of the air vents are being blocked. It's best to give your computer plenty of space.
This. If the CPU temperature is going OTT it is a problem with the cooling system, as the CPU is surrounded by a cooler. So there is a good chance it is the vents or the cooling.
 

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[Gavo said:
]Hey, I have a Q6600 Intel (Quad-Core) CPU, and I recently installed a Zalman CNPS9500 on it, because my core temps were crazy, going 70+ under stress (i.e., Crysis). I put it in, and now my core temps have dropped from 50+ idle to around 34-38 idle. However, upon putting it back in the desk, I've found my temps to hover around 45-48. Is this okay? Under stress, it goes to about 60-63, with a 65 every now and then.

My question is: Is this okay? Would cutting a chunk of desk out from behind the computer help? Please respond.

Damn, these are the times I wish Eggo wasn't banned.
How hot is that in F?
 

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[Gavo said:
]Hey, I have a Q6600 Intel (Quad-Core) CPU, and I recently installed a Zalman CNPS9500 on it, because my core temps were crazy, going 70+ under stress (i.e., Crysis). I put it in, and now my core temps have dropped from 50+ idle to around 34-38 idle. However, upon putting it back in the desk, I've found my temps to hover around 45-48. Is this okay? Under stress, it goes to about 60-63, with a 65 every now and then.

My question is: Is this okay? Would cutting a chunk of desk out from behind the computer help? Please respond.

Damn, these are the times I wish Eggo wasn't banned.
65 is pretty hot, but it's not going to cause damage if your CPU isn't running at load 24/7. I agree with the others who've suggested moving the PC. If that improves temps, you can take a saw to your desk :D
 

[Gavo]

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Horticulture said:
65 is pretty hot, but it's not going to cause damage if your CPU isn't running at load 24/7. I agree with the others who've suggested moving the PC. If that improves temps, you can take a saw to your desk :D
I did, and it DID improve greatly, see the OP. So, time to cut open that motha?
 

[Gavo]

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corroded said:
Are you talking about the core 0-3 or the main CPU temp sensor?
I'm talking in general, but the core 0 is the hottest.

corroded said:
What is your air temp round there?
Ok, the temp in the room right now is about 26C, or 79F.

corroded said:
They seem... a little warm to me, but to be honest i'd not looked alot at Quad temperatures. What's your case cooling like?
My case cooling is shit. The CPU fan kicks some serious ass, though. I think after I cut open the desk I'm going to upgrade the single case fan.
 

Horticulture

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[Gavo said:
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I did, and it DID improve greatly, see the OP. So, time to cut open that motha?
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corroded said:
My case cooling is shit. The CPU fan kicks some serious ass, though. I think after I cut open the desk I'm going to upgrade the single case fan.
If possible, try to get an intake fan going in the front an an exhaust at the rear (which is presumably the current single fan), then, yeah, make a space for the exhaust to exit the back of your desk. For a short-term solution, you could take the side panel off if there's room for air to get out without being blocked by the desk. If you do, just make sure to check for dust buildup.
 

[Gavo]

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Horticulture said:
[Gavo said:
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I did, and it DID improve greatly, see the OP. So, time to cut open that motha?
[Gavo said:
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corroded said:
My case cooling is shit. The CPU fan kicks some serious ass, though. I think after I cut open the desk I'm going to upgrade the single case fan.
If possible, try to get an intake fan going in the front an an exhaust at the rear (which is presumably the current single fan), then, yeah, make a space for the exhaust to exit the back of your desk. For a short-term solution, you could take the side panel off if there's room for air to get out without being blocked by the desk. If you do, just make sure to check for dust buildup.
Intake fan? As in a, say, normal fan? I'll try that.
 

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Be careful... Computers have been known to get damaged at these temperatures in some ways.
 

[Gavo]

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[Gavo said:
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Horticulture said:
[Gavo said:
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I did, and it DID improve greatly, see the OP. So, time to cut open that motha?
[Gavo said:
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corroded said:
My case cooling is shit. The CPU fan kicks some serious ass, though. I think after I cut open the desk I'm going to upgrade the single case fan.
If possible, try to get an intake fan going in the front an an exhaust at the rear (which is presumably the current single fan), then, yeah, make a space for the exhaust to exit the back of your desk. For a short-term solution, you could take the side panel off if there's room for air to get out without being blocked by the desk. If you do, just make sure to check for dust buildup.
Intake fan? As in a, say, normal fan? I'll try that.
Actually, I meant the back of a normal fan.
 

Laughing Man

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Oh my.

If you're running a single case fan then that's the issue.

You need at least two fans, one large fan to suck air in at the front and one smaller one at the rear to exit the warm air. The idea behind this is that it creates positive pressure within the case which, given decent cable management will help draw air over the components.

I too run the same Zalman cooler on my E6600. The thing about Zalman coolers is that they don;t usually cool a greater deal better than the stock one, maybe a few degress but they get away with being a good deal quieter and very sexy to look at. Their are more effective cheaper coolers on the market, the artic freezer pro is a good example but it is ugly as all sin.

Now to address the main concerns. 65C IS NOT EXCESSIVE, a lt of folk seem to think it is. If it's being measured from the temp sensor located under the CPU socket then hell yeah it's hot but if it's the T Junction sensor inside the chip then that temp is a little above normal but nothing to get freaked out about. The simple way of telling if it is overheating is to find out yourself. Boot the computer load test it and then give the top of the CPU cooler a little touch. If it's comfortable to touch then you're good. If it's boiling then you got a problem getting rid of the heat.

What you need to do.

- Get positive air pressure inside the case, upgrade the intake fans make sure you have at least one intake and one exit. With the intake at the front and the exit at the rear. Make sure that you also install the fans the correct way round as installing the exit fan the wrong way round will cause the warm air to recirculate around the CPU cooler. If possible try and get four fans going. Two intake, one at the front, one at the side, one exit at the top of the case and one exit at the rear.

- Manage those cables, wire bundles trap heat and big lumps of badly managed wires can actually create heat, but that's a whole different problem. Tie them up using cable ties and tuck them in to spaces create a clear path for the air coming in the front to get from the front fan to the rear exit fan.

- Thermal paste, there are a million different people that will give you a million different ways of applying it. I am not gonna tell you how to apply it other than practice. Apply the paste, press the CPU cooler down then remove it again. If you have even coverage over the CPU and the cooler base then you've done it right. Clean the paste off and reapply the same way. If you have an gaps you don't have enough or your CPU could have a slightly curved heat sink. Now you can lap your CPU to get rid of any defects in the CPU cooler but that's a huge pain in the ass with potential for all levels of disaster. Just experiment with the thermal paste to see what provides the best coverage just try to use as little as you can get away with to give decent coverage. Oh and the brand or type of thermal paste means nothing. I've used Artic silver, interl thermal pads and zalmans own thermal paste and the temp difference is 1 degree at most.

- Don't waste your time with water cooling. It's expensive it's something else that needs to be maintained, it's something you need to know what you're doing with and unless you're doing some serious OCing the advantages are no where near the cost and time you'll lay out trying to get a decent cooling ring set up.
 

Anarchemitis

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A fun thing to do is to use a household fan blowing at your compy with one of the panels removed.
 

[Gavo]

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Laughing Man said:
Oh my.

If you're running a single case fan then that's the issue.

You need at least two fans, one large fan to suck air in at the front and one smaller one at the rear to exit the warm air. The idea behind this is that it creates positive pressure within the case which, given decent cable management will help draw air over the components.

I too run the same Zalman cooler on my E6600. The thing about Zalman coolers is that they don;t usually cool a greater deal better than the stock one, maybe a few degress but they get away with being a good deal quieter and very sexy to look at. Their are more effective cheaper coolers on the market, the artic freezer pro is a good example but it is ugly as all sin.

Now to address the main concerns. 65C IS NOT EXCESSIVE, a lt of folk seem to think it is. If it's being measured from the temp sensor located under the CPU socket then hell yeah it's hot but if it's the T Junction sensor inside the chip then that temp is a little above normal but nothing to get freaked out about. The simple way of telling if it is overheating is to find out yourself. Boot the computer load test it and then give the top of the CPU cooler a little touch. If it's comfortable to touch then you're good. If it's boiling then you got a problem getting rid of the heat.

What you need to do.

- Get positive air pressure inside the case, upgrade the intake fans make sure you have at least one intake and one exit. With the intake at the front and the exit at the rear. Make sure that you also install the fans the correct way round as installing the exit fan the wrong way round will cause the warm air to recirculate around the CPU cooler. If possible try and get four fans going. Two intake, one at the front, one at the side, one exit at the top of the case and one exit at the rear.

- Manage those cables, wire bundles trap heat and big lumps of badly managed wires can actually create heat, but that's a whole different problem. Tie them up using cable ties and tuck them in to spaces create a clear path for the air coming in the front to get from the front fan to the rear exit fan.

- Thermal paste, there are a million different people that will give you a million different ways of applying it. I am not gonna tell you how to apply it other than practice. Apply the paste, press the CPU cooler down then remove it again. If you have even coverage over the CPU and the cooler base then you've done it right. Clean the paste off and reapply the same way. If you have an gaps you don't have enough or your CPU could have a slightly curved heat sink. Now you can lap your CPU to get rid of any defects in the CPU cooler but that's a huge pain in the ass with potential for all levels of disaster. Just experiment with the thermal paste to see what provides the best coverage just try to use as little as you can get away with to give decent coverage. Oh and the brand or type of thermal paste means nothing. I've used Artic silver, interl thermal pads and zalmans own thermal paste and the temp difference is 1 degree at most.

- Don't waste your time with water cooling. It's expensive it's something else that needs to be maintained, it's something you need to know what you're doing with and unless you're doing some serious OCing the advantages are no where near the cost and time you'll lay out trying to get a decent cooling ring set up.
Ok, My case is a factory-made HP, I don't think there's any room for another fan, and no room in front for a intake fan. I got the Artic Silver 5 thermal paste in it.
My desk is kind of enclosed, if you're interested, go here to see it : http://s402.photobucket.com/albums/pp105/Gavo265/Computer%20Pics/
I'm planning to cut away the back panel of the desk, but the rest needs to stay. My parent's rules, not mine. If it were mine I would just have a simple desk, but whatever.

I would have gotten the Artic Cooler Freezer 7 Pro, but I found out that it wouldn't fit in my case too well, if at all. Keep in mind, I got the Zalman cooler because my HP came with a shitty-ass third-party fan.
My games run around 60-64, usually hovering from 60 to 62.

Finally, would just cutting a giant hole in the back of the aforementioned desk work? I do not know if I can install a front fan, you'll see why. I'm not too concerned, my computer goes to 45 MAX while browsing, etc.
 

TMAN10112

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Yea, it looks like you only have a few options with this. You could:
-Get a better cooling system (Your probably don't want to spend more money right after buing a new one, but if you do; Liquid cooling for the win!)
-Put your PC somehere else.
-Go ahead and saw that that desk.
-Or add another fan, if your case can fit one.


My CPU dropped 10 degres right off the bat, just from switching to a full-tower, and then even more when I ditched my stock fan for a Arctic Bigwater cooling system(sometimes being very impulsive pays off).
 

[Gavo]

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Danzorz said:
Install more fans or air vents.
I had a similar problem as well.
Seriously, fans.
See the OP, I can't have more fans, or I don't think I can. But I'm going to saw that motherfucking desk up soon.