Quitting new gen?

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Whitefeather

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I just had me second 360 fail on me and a strange thought dawned on me. Should I just do away with all this hassle, taking systems apart, trying to fix them, trying to get them hooked up to the interent ect.? Because what I'm looking at now is buying a new xbox 360 (or a ps3, if I so choose) and getting that set up. It really is almost more trouble than it's worth. Sure the games are fun, but is it too much to ask to be able to play them?

EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to mention, my sister broke my Wii. Not sure if it's relevant but I'll just put it here because I'm pissed.
 

NeutralDrow

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I've only dipped my toes into the new generation (a few Wii games), and I'm doing fine. Then again, I'm perpetually behind times to begin with; I'm almost done with the first Kingdom Hearts...
 

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I'm on my second Xbox console. I'm getting a console shipped back to me since it RRoD'd and I also bought a new gen model. I'm selling the refurbished one to my bro for $100.
 

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Frankly I have avoided the 360 like the plauge despite my friends consistent yammering of "you should get one" I only bought my bloody PS3 because my mate was moving and pawned it off to me for £100. This generation of consoles strikes me as a why bother thing previous gens the internet was a commodity at best now with all the dlc its like a necessity, and running them off a router isn't really an option they run slow as it is on a mains connection. Then theres the cheap buisness practices why sell a whole game whne you can buy the other half through DLC! And Microsoft charging a secondary fee for the internet, are you fucking kidding me I pay my ISP that should be enough should be bloody illegal to pay for a service you have already paid for.

I stick to my PC mainly one expensive upgrade every 5 years or so and I'm good, and the older gen consoles (which still run to this day looking at you RROD/YLOD)
 

Whitefeather

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tellmeimaninja said:
Frankly I think that Fallout 3 alone is worth all of the work I put into every console. And that's just one of many great current-gen games.
Yeah I love Fallout 3, got some of the dlc and must've put 400+ hours into it. But honestly, it only goes so far.
 

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NeutralDrow said:
I've only dipped my toes into the new generation (a few Wii games), and I'm doing fine. Then again, I'm perpetually behind times to begin with; I'm almost done with the first Kingdom Hearts...
I feel the same way (only I'm playing Beyond Good & Evil instead of Kingdom Hearts); except for a few Wii games, there hasn't been anything to really impress me with the current gen. All this technology has really done is eliminate "jaggies" and made particle and light effects slightly more realistic. This generation hasn't even come close to the quantum leap that was "N64 to Gamecube" or "PS1 to PS2". All that really draws me to some of these games are their stories or characters like Assassin's Creed, Alone in the Dark, or Valkyria Chronicles. I feel a little left out, sure, but only a little.
 

Shamgarr

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what innovations are there left to be had? the whole point of videogames is to simulate actuality, without compromising entertainment. The closer we get to actuallity, the fewer changes are needed, making videogames one of the only developmentally decreasing pieces of technology. What steps are to be taken next? Virtual Reality?
 

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matsugawa said:
NeutralDrow said:
I've only dipped my toes into the new generation (a few Wii games), and I'm doing fine. Then again, I'm perpetually behind times to begin with; I'm almost done with the first Kingdom Hearts...
I feel the same way (only I'm playing Beyond Good & Evil instead of Kingdom Hearts); except for a few Wii games, there hasn't been anything to really impress me with the current gen. All this technology has really done is eliminate "jaggies" and made particle and light effects slightly more realistic. This generation hasn't even come close to the quantum leap that was "N64 to Gamecube" or "PS1 to PS2". All that really draws me to some of these games are their stories or characters like Assassin's Creed, Alone in the Dark, or Valkyria Chronicles. I feel a little left out, sure, but only a little.
Well, I dunno. There've been plenty of things that might impress me with the current generation. It's just that a combination of cost and prior time constraints have kept me in the last. I still have much to look for and get through on the Gamecube and PS2 (including Beyond Good and Evil; haven't even left the house building thing, yet), but I probably would leap at the chance to try some certain non-Wii current gen games(Devil May Cry 4, Tales of Versperia, Assassin's Creed...).

It'll still be a while, though, so I'm not losing out much. I'm still glad that Assassin's Creed II is apparently going to be on PC.
 

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Just get a gaming PC or a PS3 then, though the PS2 has enough games that it could last you a while if you chose to try it (at a pretty good price too). I suppose it depends on what genres of games you like. For example, if you like FPS games or online anything you'd best stick with this generation, but if you like platforming and so on, and don't care as much about graphics then I don't see why you couldn't just go back one.

The RROD is the maing thing holding me back from buying a 360. So you get a 2 or 3 year warranty, that's great except what about after those 2 or 3 years? What if it RRODs in 5 and I want to play some Halo? The NES I first played practically a decade ago still runs fine, and if I want to play Super Mario or Zelda I still can.
 

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I had the luxury of only having to go through 2 360s over the course of 4 years. But I find that having a nice PC makes up for it :) they are always reliable. Well maybe not alllll the time (damn random crashes)
 

Therumancer

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Well Ultratwinkie, I think the key word here is "realistic" not "real". The idea is to have games that are fantastic, while still functioning like they could be really happening within their own worlds... a level of consistincy that helps suspension of disbelief. I feel this is a good thing for the most part, and I see a lot of room for improvement in video games.



I think right now the next "step" in gaming is simply to be able to develop games that can do everything that current games do simultaneously. To use an example look at say Saint's Row 2 compared to Grand Theft Auto 4. People have argued back and forth about them, but the bottom line is that Grand Theft Auto 4 has better graphics quality (buildings, textures, models), BUT Saint's Row 2 is a much "busier" game world which tracks more things happening at any given moment. It would choke the system if it tried to do all of that at the same quality level of GTA IV.

Some of the compromises right now are less than satisfying. For example you have a lot of people who complain about overly cartoony, or cell-shaded graphics, however from some of what I've read that kind of "style" is also easier to render and deal with for systems than more realistic (and more detailed) models and animations.

To be honest, a lot of people complain about how a lot of current generation games look "previous gen" but we've pretty much gotten to the point where artwork is artwork, and sound is sound. It comes down to the talent of the modelers and artists more than the technology. I've heard some people complain about bad graphics for example in games that are simply highly stylized (from people who don't like the style in which they are done).

The thing is though we're not up to the point where we can see someone pretty much crank out whatever they want, whenever they want, meaning that even for game concepts that have existed for generations compromises between quality and the number of things going on have to take place.


As far as Virtual Reality goes, I don't think we're likely to see that in our lifetimes, unless some theories about medical science making us immortal pan out (but honestly with the global population issues, if such a thing is developed it would be wise to sit on it until we see space travel and colonization... we're overpopulated enough). Simply because we're not at any level where I can see commercially availible brain stimulation technology, and honestly I'd imagine that would be being used medically LONG before it became availible recreationally.

Pseudo-VR using things like goggles and gloves and such makes for better reading than it does actuality. I mean as it is right now they have enough trouble getting a bloody wiimote or light gun to work right, and Project Natal seems to be one of those "epic lulz" projects that the industry seems to be embracing to the shocked "what are they thinking" disbelief of the cosumer/user base. While history will show if I'm right (hey maybe they will sell me on the idea) I feel almost like I'm watching a head on collision of two trains while railway conducters argue profusely that the laws of Physics don't apply to Amtrak or whatever.

Truthfully I think technology is getting close to peaking, at a "practical" level for entertainment. Each generation of consoles/game machines will get longer both for economic reasons, and simply because there will be less abillity to produce dramatic, noticible improvement to sell to people. I also look at things from the perspective that technology is rushed due to the greed of manufacturers, we rarely, if ever fully see each generation of hardware used to it's full capacity by developers because it isn't around long enough.

I look back to some of the machines that were around when I was younger like the Apple II and Commodore 64. People did things with those machines that people didn't think was possible when they were first rolled out because developers were motivated over a period of years to really make them sing. Nowadays you've got new chipsets and stuff coming out every year, when I still remember as a kid: "wow 64k of Ram, what could they possibly do with it all?".

Truthfully I think the Playstation 2 was easy enough to develop for that it's the closest thing we have to those old systems, with people still finding ways to make it do relatively new things and produce marginally better games (within it's own collection).

Not purely a nostolgia rant, I don't think there will ever be a "last" generation of consoles, barring a global apocolypse, but I *DO* think we're going to see the next generation lasting as long as 10-12 years.
 

Therumancer

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NeutralDrow said:
I've only dipped my toes into the new generation (a few Wii games), and I'm doing fine. Then again, I'm perpetually behind times to begin with; I'm almost done with the first Kingdom Hearts...
Well maybe if you didn't spend so much time playing Lightning Warrior Raidy.... :)

(Yes that's a joke)
 

NeutralDrow

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Therumancer said:
NeutralDrow said:
I've only dipped my toes into the new generation (a few Wii games), and I'm doing fine. Then again, I'm perpetually behind times to begin with; I'm almost done with the first Kingdom Hearts...
Well maybe if you didn't spend so much time playing Lightning Warrior Raidy.... :)

(Yes that's a joke)
Bah, Raidy took me only two weeks. Three non-consecutive days of playing, eleven days of Kingdom Hearts in between to soften the blow!

This is probably what's kept me longer than any of the games I review...



Either that or Samurai Warriors 2.
 

Thaius

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It's a pain, but it's worth it. Video games are the world's new art form: it would be a mistake not to keep up with it.

And make your sister buy you a new Wii. Seriously.
 

haruvister

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Use your PC for gaming and the notion of 'generations' is void. You get to indulge the joys of Left 4 Dead AND Monkey Island 2.
 

thiosk

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pc gaming.

You already have to use a computer to post on the escapist; might as well keep it modestly upgraded to allow you to run all the newest games.

insert comment about consoles being baby toys for baby boys
 

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Whitefeather said:
I just had me second 360 fail on me and a strange thought dawned on me. Should I just do away with all this hassle, taking systems apart, trying to fix them, trying to get them hooked up to the interent ect.? Because what I'm looking at now is buying a new xbox 360 (or a ps3, if I so choose) and getting that set up. It really is almost more trouble than it's worth. Sure the games are fun, but is it too much to ask to be able to play them?

EDIT: Oh yeah, forgot to mention, my sister broke my Wii. Not sure if it's relevant but I'll just put it here because I'm pissed.
There are tricks to ensure that your 360 will ALWAYS be covered by the warranty...
 

EscapeGoat_v1legacy

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Yeah, I get a similar feeling. I've not been overly impressed with the current gen, and ended up digging out my PS2, Xbox and 'Cube just to play some games I really enjoyed.

Never mind, at least the current handhelds still have me hooked.
 

Shamgarr

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Ultratwinkie said:
Shamgarr said:
what innovations are there left to be had? the whole point of videogames is to simulate actuality, without compromising entertainment. The closer we get to actuallity, the fewer changes are needed, making videogames one of the only developmentally decreasing pieces of technology. What steps are to be taken next? Virtual Reality?
the entire point of games was to have fun and get away from reality, not TO it. playing a game and requiring it to be realistic is like drinking to get sober.
you're right, thats why noone cares about who has the latest graphics, who has the best physics engine, who has the most enemy variety, or who has the best AI mechanics, all of which add to the verismilitude of a game, and lend credit to its duplication of reality.
This is one of the things that's really the downfall of this console generation, its more about this crap then it is making a fun game.