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heyheysg

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I'm a minority and sometimes when I read about racism, it makes me angry/sad/unhappy.

But upon further introspection, I realise that it is hard to be racist when you are a minority, you could be racist against other minorities, but generally not to the extent that the 18th century Europeans had against the rest of the world.

So the question is, is it harder to NOT be racist if you are a racial majority?
 

TheGreatCoolEnergy

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Well within the next 10 years white people will become the minority in the U.S.(With Hispanics becoming the majority) but you will still here a shit load of rascist things, so yeah I would say minority rascism could happen.
 

Karlaxx

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For some reason that might just sort of almost be very conditionally true.

A minority that has been discriminated against would certainly feel that they would be entitled to hate back, but that might not be the case of every individual.

In a direct answer to the original post, though... I guess it isn't really a huge trend, but certainly opens up opportunities.
 

A_Parked_Car

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Of course there can be racist minorities. I don't know if you have heard about a little thing called Apartheid in South Africa.
 

Frankydee

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It's fun to make fun of minorities who think they're being "oppressed."

so yea I guess it is difficult to not be racist.

incidentally I'm mixed white/hispanic.
 

Worgen

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Furburt said:
It reminds me of the problem with Israel, after thousands of years of being the oppressed, demonized minority, when they finally get their own land, they demonize the palestinians.

The hunted becomes the hunter.

So I think that it is equally easy for both sides to become racist.

heyheysg said:
I'm a minority
What are you, out of interest?
its really common for the victim of abuse to become the abuser later on unless they have a very strong will to stop it or have good therapy
 

londelen

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heyheysg said:
but generally not to the extent that the 18th century Europeans had against the rest of the world.

We're both equally racist, but only minorities are allowed to show it. Not a day goes by that I am not called "cracker ass *****"; Not one day goes by that isn't considered an insult to be called "acting white".

And not a day goes by that I can do anything about it.
 

Nova5

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Dude, everyone's a racist to some degree. Anyone who claims they're not is a liar.

Also, you don't have to be a different color to be racist. There's cultural/racial genocide throughout South America, Africa, Asia, and all parts of the world, that the '18th century Europeans' don't have a thing on*.

*And no, I'm not white, or defending whites. I just think blind bias holds back progress of the species.
 

johnzaku

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Because I've never been called "white boy" by a Hispanic or black person.

That was sarcasm, by the way, and also, I'm red >_< (cherokee)

Why are "white boy" "cracker" "honkey" etc... all acceptable, but "******" and "spic" are enough to be sued and fined for? I don't care about the historical implications of the latter examples, the intent is the point.

I just find the notion that minorities can't be racist to be just as racist as a white supremacist. The idea of being politically correct bugs the hell out of me too.
 

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Minorities can definitely be racist. Anyone can be racist.

Is it harder to not be racist if you're a racial majority...

That's a very...difficult to answer question. In the US, it probably really depends on where you're from. I'm from the North--not to say there wasn't racism in the north before, during and after the US Civil War--but it's not...the same as to when you go to the South. I'm not saying everyone from the south is racist--because that's certainly not the case--but its far more likely to permeate the culture down there.

I took a class once about the Anthropology of Race and we read a really interesting book called "Black Sexual Politics" by Patricia Hill Collins--I don't know what minority you are--and I certainly can't guess, because you didn't put where you're from--but the book discusses, not just politics of the body--but other social issues, including media representation (music, tv and video games) and types of racism. And it would be nothing to cross boundaries of culture.

If this is a subject that you are seriously interested in and want to pursue from an intellectual perspective--I'd recommend it. As a lower-middle class white lady from the northern US, it was really interesting to me.
 

OmegaXIII

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Conditionally, yes.

Some individuals believe that as a member of a majority any criticism made against a minority is by default racist. These are people who play the race card out of turn. Fact of the matter is, there are some people who i would call an asshole because they are an asshole, and still would be an asshole if they were white, black, asian, hispanic, mermaid, alien or grizzly bear. However, some such people (a certain guy at my uni springs to mind) i genuinely feel i cannot criticise because the moment i do will accuse me of racism.

I do disagree with your statement about it being more difficult to be racist as a minority. I think it is equally as easy to BE racist because racism is simply being a prejudiced bigot , which anybody can be. I presume what you're getting at is that generally it is paid attention to less because of the target being a majority?
 

OmegaXIII

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londelen said:
We're both equally racist, but only minorities are allowed to show it. Not a day goes by that I am not called "cracker ass *****"; Not one day goes by that isn't considered an insult to be called "acting white".

And not a day goes by that I can do anything about it.
Point of curiosity, as this post popped up during my typing of my earlier post and brings forth one of the issues i raised. Do you take significant offence to those remarks? Or do you typically ignore them?
 

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I went to Bath- we, my friend and I, did this, but though we
were together, I was no longer with her. The landscape was almost
as familiar as my own hand, but I had never been in this place be-
fore, so how could that be again? And the streets of Bath were fa-
miliar, too, but I had never walked on them before. It was all those
years of reading, starting with Roman Britain. Why did I have to
know about Roman Britain? It was of no real use to me, a person
living on a hot, drought-ridden island, and it is of no use to me
now, and yet my head is filled with this nonsense, Roman Britain.
In Bath, I drank tea in a room I had read about in a novel written
in the eighteenth century. In this very same room, young women
wearing those dresses that rustled and so on danced and flirted
and sometimes disgraced themselves with young men, soldiers,
sailors, who were on their way to Bristol or someplace like that, so
many places like that where so many adventures, the outcome of
which was not good for me, began. Bristol, England. A sentence
that began "That night the ship sailed from Bristol, England"
would end not so good for me. And then I was driving through the
countryside in an English motorcar, on narrow winding roads, and
they were so familiar, though I had never been on them before;
and through little villages the names of which I somehow knew so
well though I had never been there before. And the countryside
did have all those hedges and hedges, fields hedged in. I was mar-
veling at all the toil of it, the planting of the hedges to begin with
and then the care of it, all that clipping, year after year of clipping,
and I wondered at the lives of the people who would have to do
this, because wherever I see and feel the hands that hold up the
world, I see and feel myself and all the people who look like me.
And I said, "Those hedges" and my friend said that someone, a
woman named Mrs. Rothchild, worried that the hedges weren't
being taken care of properly; the farmers couldn't afford or find
the help to keep up the hedges, and often they replaced them with
wire fencing. I might have said to that, well if Mrs. Rothchild
doesn't like the wire fencing, why doesn't she take care of the
hedges herself, but I didn't. And then in those fields that were now
hemmed in by wire fencing that a privileged woman didn't like was
planted a vile yellow flowering bush that produced an oil, and my
friend said that Mrs. Rothchild didn't like this either; it ruined the
English countryside, it ruined the traditional look of the English
countryside.
It was not at that moment that I wished every sentence, every-
thing I knew, that began with England would end with "and then it
all died; we don?t know how, it just all died." At that moment, I was
thinking, who are these people who forced me to think of them all
the time, who forced me to think that the world I knew was incom-
plete, or without substance, or did not measure up because it was
not England; that I was incomplete, or without substance, and did
not measure up because I was not English. Who were these peo-
ple? The person sitting next to me couldn't give me a clue; no one
person could. In any case, if I had said to her, I find England ugly,
I hate England; the weather is like a jail sentence, the English are a
very ugly people, the food in England is like a jail sentence, the
hair of English people is so straight, so dead looking, the English
have an unbearable smell so different from the smell of people I
know, real people of course, she would have said that I was a per-
son full of prejudice. Apart from the fact that it is I - that is, the
people who look like me-who made her aware of the unpleas-
antness of such a thing, the idea of such a thing, prejudice, she
would have been only partly right, sort of right: I may be capable
of prejudice, but my prejudices have no weight to them, my preju-
dices have no force behind them, my prejudices remain opinions,
my prejudices remain my personal opinion. And a great feeling of
rage and disappointment came over me as I looked at England, my
head full of personal opinions that could not have public, my pub
lit, approval. The people I come from are powerless to do evil on
grand scale.

The moment I wished every sentence, everything I knew, that
began with England would end with "and then it all died, we don't
know how, it just all died" was when I saw the white cliffs of Dover.

I had sung hymns and recited poems that were about a longing to
see the white cliffs of Dover again. At the time I sang the hymns
and recited the poems, I could really long to see them agam be-
cause I had never seen them at all, nor had anyone around me at
the time. But there we were, groups of people longing for some-
thing we had never seen. And so there they were, the white cliffs,
but they were not that pearly majestic thing I used to sing about,
that thing that created such a feeling in these people that when
they died in the place where I lived they had themselves; buried
facing a direction that would allow them to see the white cliffs of
Dover when they were resurrected, as surely they would be. The
white cliffs of Dover, when finally I saw them, were cliffs, but they
were not white; you would only call them that if the word "white"
meant something special to you; they were dirty and they were
steep; they were so steep, the correct height from which all my
views of England, starting with the map before me in my class-
room and ending with the trip I had just taken, should jump and
die and disappear forever.

Link to complete essay is here; this is where I got it from. [http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache%3A0OFIBoa50SkJ%3Aresources.wwps.org%2Fwwhs%2Fenglishdept%2Fon%2520seeing%2520England.pdf+on+seeing+england+for+the+first+time&hl=en]

In short, it is harder to look down on someone when you're the culture that's being stepped on, however subtly.
 

Connor Lonske

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All groups can and are racist is some way or form. Say not so is ignorant. It is a person's own chose. Race only leads to you being racist towards a small number of groups based on that race's culture. White guys are just the most likely to be racist to any group because of their different nationalities. This can also goes for other races, but whites have the most diversity in national origin.
 

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annoyinglizardvoice said:
As long as you think about things in terms of race, then you can be racist, regardless of your own race.
Well put. The claim that it's hard for a minority to be racist is flawed to the core.
 

Hiphophippo

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I think it's pretty easy to not be racist at all. I find that by not being an idiot, I accomplish that pretty well.
 

ReincarnatedFTP

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Not really.
Since minorities are so oppressed they tend to lash out at who they see as the majority.

Example:The Black Panthers started out as an organization to protect black citizens from lynching and law enforcement, and initially this attracted alot of Black nationalists who hated whitey. Eventually they got rid of those guys or at least shut them up for a while and turned into more of a socialist organization before the CIA split them into the Crips and the Bloods.

And it can be minorities on minorities too, it was Koreans vs Blacks during the Rodney King riots I believe.
 

johnzaku

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I know it's not to me, but I had the same point as him...

YES I DO! It's not that it really bother me personally, It bothers me because as I said, it's socially okay for them to do it, whereas if I did it back to them I could conceivably be arrested.