RAM: Ever Feel LIke You're Chasing Your Tail?

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If I've learned anything about this most recent Editor's Note [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/editors_note/7045-Editor-s-Note-Editor-s-Choice], it's that today's society is creating a sense of content that bolsters change, but only negatively. It's a sad state of affairs whenever society commands quality to be cut in order to produce more content. However, that's the price you pay for generations that like to see only what they want, and want to see more of what they like. "Change" isn't just a buzzword for Obama-supporters, it's become a reality in an increasing number of fields, with games media being just a small part of the bigger change happening all across the board.

Then there's one thing that's changed in one place, but hasn't in another related field, and it's creating a hole that no one is talking about, much less plugging. The hole is the division-line between the education system, and the job industry. It's one of those public secrets that everyone knows. Excepting vocational skill schools (such as the trade and technical institutions), if you want a job, you need a college degree. Everyone needs a college degree if they want a job. If you have twenty, thirty years of job experience, you can get a job.

If someone graduated high school, most persons have certain stereotypes associated with low-requirement jobs. For example, let's take a standby for a construction worker. Most involve on-the-job training and subcontracting, but the average is 2-to-4-year coursework during the job training. That means that construction workers go through vocational school, the length and duration of a college degree, to do constructions. Police offices are often graduates of college, usually Criminal Psychology, Criminal Justice, or Law Enforcement. Firefighters, by what's listed as a "significant percentage" have degrees in Science. Most with a concentration in what's called 'fire science.' Forest rangers often go through two-year associate degrees in Forestry.

Just to sum that up, jobs that have specific to that vocation training that you cannot teach in classes have two to four years of coursework. We're requiring our laborers to go through coursework, our specific job-workers have degrees. This is just the sort of things Math 101 professors staple to tests with failing grades, and they're now requiring college degrees as well as vocational-training. Wasn't there a day where having a high school diploma meant you were at the top of the curve?

Keep it mind, this is the lowest common denominator. When we step up to secretaries, we're getting into required associate degrees, which you must have to even be considered for a job. Teachers, journalists, and jobs like those all require bachelor's degrees (4 year university programs). That means every person who applies is a graduate of a 4-year program. In order to be further qualified, you need to have an advanced degree. A Masters degree. Then building from that, businessmen are starting to only have a chance in the slightest in getting Masters degrees. Then if you even want to be considered for CEO material, you need to be a doctor of something.

It's getting to the point where our college professors in order to even teach the general courses need to be masters degree or higher. Which means college professors require roughly 6 to 8 years of college in order to teach it. It's getting to the point where children spend the ages from five until twenty-two in school. Assuming they want to compete against an uphill battle for a job. In order to even be remotely secure, it takes another two to four years.

So what does that mean? Well, the job market requires degrees, so people will get them. The high school diploma, for the job market, means nothing. The four-year degree is a minimum of effort. The four-year degree is the accomplishment of the bottom-feeders. The minimum achievers. Why even go through high school at all? Why even go to college at all? No one cares about their degree programs so much as they are at the point that they need a degree. Any degree.

As members of society, we've made the high school diploma worthless. High school no longer becomes more about education. It's about padding the school resume and making the test scores in order to get into college. What happens in high school is simply four years of ACT/SAT preparation. Then after we have our big high school resume, a high-numbered GPA (and no knowledge), we step forth to college. In college, a poll of 30 English 101 (required course for all degree programs) students shows that 26 of 30 students state they're in college because they feel that they need a degree in order to get a job. Not to pursue higher education out of a sense of advancement, or feel the need to be better qualified for a job in order to advance. They need a degree to get into the door. To be clear, 87% of college students feel like they need a 4 year degree just to get a foot in the door. In order for career advancement, it's not unlikely that they'll need a Masters degree to advance.

What do these sheets of paper really mean? That the holder is better trained, or more in-the-know. Because roughly 87% of the people holding them just have 'cause they think they need them. Not 'cause they're more qualified, just that they did everything in their power to get one.

So, anyone else feel like they're chasing their tail?
 

Pimppeter2

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The most upsetting thing is that while more people are getting higher education, the quality of the education is plummeting.
 

Berethond

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I have felt like I'm chasing my tail for a while now.
We go to grade school to prepare to go to junior high. We go to junior high to prepare for high school, where we prepare for college, where we prepare for a job, where we prepare for retirement. When do I get to stop preparing and just live my life already? Now I feel like I don't learn anything, and I just get fed the answers for yet another meaningless test.

It makes me so frustrated with many, many things.
 

Roxas1359

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I do feel that I'm chasing my tail sometimes.
The reasons for this are because we are told that we have to pass this test to pass high school, or this test to get into college, or now in California P.E or you can't pass high school. All of the pressure from these tests and from my teachers causes me to stress to dangerous levels. I am told that I shouldn't stress out about school, but then I hear my teachers and other teachers say how if you don't do this or don't pass that then my life is over(not in those words). I feel like I'm about to go off the deep end sometimes because of all of this pressure.
 

Random Argument Man

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For a second, I thought this thread was about me...

I'm in education. In today's line of work, we focus more of giving a certain set of abilities instead of prerequisites. However, the system is still flawed and expectations are higher. They even set higher standards for each course. I need to do B+ in french for my job. I'm chasing my tail with a bear trap.
 

Azure-Supernova

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To be honest I feel exactly the same. For instance, I finished High School when I was 16 (as we do in Britain) and instead of staying on at 6th form (option two extra years) I made it straight into college. I then proceeded to quit that course, attempt another and quit that. Now the most I get considered for is low end retail work, despite having good enough GCSE results to go straight into a Level 3 Diploma or a BTEC, I can't do anything with them.
 

ElephantGuts

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People always complain about the state of the educational system (in America at least), but rarely elaborate beyond the simple "School is pointless". Thank you for intelligently explaining what's really wrong. As a High School Junior, being forced to think about things like colleges and majors and really just starting down this torturous path, it's somewhat discouraging to have the problem described in such detail. It's also somewhat comforting though; the more people who are aware of the problem, the better chances of it being fixed.

I do wonder though, if these education issues are mostly in the US or more widespread? I'm sure the education systems of other countries aren't perfect, but I usually just hear complaints about education in the US. So how much better, if at all, are the education systems outside the US?
 

Berethond

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ElephantGuts said:
I do wonder though, if these education issues are mostly in the US or more widespread? I'm sure the education systems of other countries aren't perfect, but I usually just hear complaints about education in the US. So how much better, if at all, are the education systems outside the US?
In the Philippine islands, you need a college degree to work at a McDonald's.
 

Kaboose the Moose

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To be honest I haven't stopped to even consider what race I am running. The minute I finished college (highscool to you Americans) and got to university I pretty much knew what I wanted to do, beyond a shadow of doubt. Medicine in the UK or more aptly the MBBS/BSc degree is a 6 year affair. And the field is only getting more competitive by the minute.

I can't necessarily speak for other departments or degrees but I feel that Medicine as a degree is making the best of a complex situation. With changing times, procedures and technology become more advanced and that translates into more study material for students. Medicine has branched out a lot over the last 25years and some think that 6 years isn't enough to cover the basics of everything. Add to that residencies and internships and you got a highly competitive and demanding field.

Anyone who gets into medicine with that 87% mentality of "get a foot in the door" is doomed for failure. Yes, its obvious that you need a degree to get a job as a doctor but it is complemented with a sense of advancement. Without the latter you are not going to go very far in the field.
 

Galletea

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Constantly. Every bit of education I gain seems to just be in preparation for the next one. Some companies even want qualified warehouse personnel. I have a degree in languages, but I'm being put on a different course, because on its own, my degree is pretty much worthless. I suppose in times of prosperity, people had the time and patience to train people, but now it costs too much. I picked a bad year to graduate.
 

jasoncyrus

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I'd feel like that if my entire job sector hadn't died in the recession.

BSc(hons) Multimedia Development - Basically making flash content, websites, video/graphics editing and creation. Basically all the flashy stuff you see these days.

Then the recession hit...

Now all those employers want people who can do programming aswell. So thats people like me completely shafted, since there are 2 kinds of people in this sector. Programmers and Designers. You're either great at one or the other or mediocre at both. I'm the latter, I can design beautiful things when i want to, I simply cant program worth a damn. So now I'm totally screwed. Joy...so I became a photographer instead and moving to the US to set up a business with my american fiance there.

When life gives you lemons...become an apple farmer?
 

wordsmith

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Really? Most of my mates who went to uni went because the job situation might have improved in 3 years. I passed my A Levels last summer, since then I've had a 3 month contract with an internet retailer who then decided they didn't want a student, 3 months doing 6 days a week at Marks and Spencer, then unemployed since Jan 1st. Suprisingly, only one job I've applied for has said "You don't have the qualifications", as I need to get Microsoft Certified to become a technician. Most companies I've visited have actually said that no prior training is better, as there is no need to unlearn bad habits.
 

Cowabungaa

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Yes, my dad even hammers it in me: just get a bachelor degree, it doesn't matter which one, you don't have to like it, just get it. Well I'm sorry pops, I'm not going to give 4 years of my life to something I don't care about, I couldn't even if I wanted to, I would gave 0 motivation. I do want a diploma mind you, I might want to immigrate, and no country would accept you without any proper papers showing you're worth a damn. It sucks.
 

Heart of Darkness

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Sometimes I feel that way. And this was something I thought about before finishing high school. It's just a sad fact of life, and one that's only bound to get worse: with more people going for bachelor's degrees, we'll soon see a vast majority of people with them. Just like with high school diplomas, they'll become worthless, too, and then everything will step down a notch. You'll need a Master's degree just to be even considered for a job, a doctorate for career advancement, and a doctorate PLUS another degree (most likely Master's) to be considered for a C_O spot.

It's an uphill battle. The more society focuses on higher degrees of learning, the more worthless they become. Especially if people are only getting them with the "I only need this to get a decent job" mindset.
 

CrysisMcGee

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Indiana is one of the worst in education. number 48 out of 50 I believe. Or 49. Michigan is in the top ten. They graduate a whole year earlier than us.

In the end, the world always needs ditch-diggers.
 

ElephantGuts

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Berethond said:
ElephantGuts said:
I do wonder though, if these education issues are mostly in the US or more widespread? I'm sure the education systems of other countries aren't perfect, but I usually just hear complaints about education in the US. So how much better, if at all, are the education systems outside the US?
In the Philippine islands, you need a college degree to work at a McDonald's.
Wow, really? That must mean that either the Philippines has an absurdly high education standard, or they just take their fast food very seriously.

I'm not sure which scenario is more likely.
 

Pandairon

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Xombee said:
Joining Marines. I'm starting my life ten years earlier.
Isn't the chain of command in the marines or the army for that matter the equivalent of chasing your own tail. Provided that you are entering via ROTC and not direct enlisting.
 

Monocle Man

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I don't feel like I'm chasing my tail, no. Perhaps it's because I actually see a use for the things I'm learning now and my main subjects are convenient, if not required, for a future career.

Currently I'm in the fifth (of six) year of secondary school. Once I finish the sixth year I should be 18 years old and I should have some ground in the software and electronics industries. Not much ground, but still some ground. Enough to program micro controllers and write programs/design websites/other basic software applications.

After that it is best to continue at some sort of college in those departments.

In Belgium you can choose whether you spend your time in secondary school preparing for a job (like to be an electrician), for anything that requires you to continue to a university or for a bit of both at once (although you're a bit limited in the options for later degrees that way).
 

ribonuge

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Yes it would seem that we are not human beings but humans becoming, moulded by society to always be preparing for what's coming next. We live in a state of chronic anticipation because of this with our actual lives filling in the gaps of education and jobs. Something is going horribly wrong somewhere, that's all I know.

Now I have to go put down my options for university. Ironic.