Where did they murder anyone in that particular video? Oh yeah, nowhere. And a cop doing some shit doesn't justify breaking the law. It simply does not.Nil Kafashle said:
That one video is but one little snippet of a crazy situation going on for almost a week now.generals3 said:
That is absolutely untrue. Police officers are expected to display sound judgement in when and how to enforce the law. They are not 'tools' by any stretch of the imagination. They are nothing like soldiers, and even soldiers are expected to think for themselves in specific situations.
I find what's happening in Ferguson horrifying, however that picture there is apparently an old on from Brazil that has been making the rounds again under the Ferguson hashtag. Just thought you should know.BiscuitTrouser said:
It's not just about a few incidents - the Ferguson police has a history of racial profiling [http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/reports/161.pdf].generals3 said:
Because the police forces themselves don't look and aren't armed like actual soldiers enough, so hell just send in actual soldiers?otakon17 said:
What happened is the opposite of what the quote you posted is about, which I find a little funny, but then I do understand that you meant that the police in Ferguson is the exact opposite of what it's supposed to be. Which, indeed, I agree with.RA92 said:
Oh crap thanks, im just trying to report accurately whats going on, definitely feel free to show more places i screwed up. The correction has been made, thank you!trollnystan said:I find what's happening in Ferguson horrifying, however that picture there is apparently an old on from Brazil that has been making the rounds again under the Ferguson hashtag. Just thought you should know.BiscuitTrouser said:
EDIT: Here's a link that explains it: [link]http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/fauxphotos/ss/Cop-Pepper-Sprays-Child.htm[/link]. Awful that it happened at all, but it wasn't in Ferguson.
Handling riots is probably one of the most difficult tasks a cop can face. Act too harsh and you'll be seen as a Fascist, act too softly and you'll risk seeing rioters causing more trouble because they can. If I look at the video which was supposedly an example of them handling it badly i'd say it doesn't prove the point at all. The crowd dispersed extremely quickly and things calmed down in a matter of minutes. I'd say that was an effective intervention.Cowabungaa said:
They can use their judgement... to decide how to uphold the law. The law is determined by the government. So in essence they are tools of the government. They're there to uphold the law made by the government. Off course they can think about how to do that. But they can in no way question the morality of the law. Otherwise the system would break down.
I'm not sure black cops would help, as black cops tend to show a similar bias towards black subjects as white cops do. There is clearly something else at play, and simply treating it as an issue of diversity does nobody any good.Ratty said:
Oh? So the reports of rioting, looting, moltov cocktails, and shots being fired at police all equate to perfectly legal peaceful protest and assembly?Cowabungaa said:
No problem =) I was a finger's twitch away from retweeting that image yesterday but read the replies to it first. Good thing I did. I really need to get into the habit of doing a Google image search when I come across photographs like this...BiscuitTrouser said:
Police accept the possibility that they may be killed in the line of duty every time they put the uniform on, but if they aren't prepared to take that risk in the name of keeping the peace and not brutalizing peaceful protestors, they have no business wearing it in the first place.Smooth Operator said:
You seem to have a very skewed vision of what the police is supposed to do. Things calmed down you say? Are you telling me that the community, after their over-violent reaction, is feeling superb and won't do anything like that again? They're apparently so effective that they're relieved of duty. [http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/14/1321549/-Missouri-Governor-announces-St-Louis-County-Police-to-be-relieved-of-their-duties-in-Ferguson#]generals3 said:
No, because those instances were not what I was referring to. In replies to other people I already stated that a response to those acts is indeed justified, they're of course illegal, but that the problem is that the response is neither proportional to the violence of the rioters nor appropriate when also directed at the peaceful protests.RJ 17 said:
