1) *sigh* probably me.FlyAwayAutumn said:Who?
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Nope, for though one may claim to think, and believe to think, because we have periods during which we don't think (at least, most people have those...y'know, sleep and kinetic concentration and things such as) we will never actually know that we think in the first place, and therefore may never actually...am....exist.Baneat said:Is Cogito Ergo Sum a sound argument?
That actually blew my mind....But thats probably due to my weird ideas on sleeping...subtlefuge said:If everyone in the world was sleeping at the same time, would the universe cease to exist?
Depends, do you mean crisp as in the American chip, or crisp as in the weird tiny cracker thing, or do you mean the level of crispiness in a food?scully745 said:What is the best crisp ever?
Not sure which, came from a friend of mine who constantly asks it. I think just go with American ChipTiloXofXTanto said:Depends, do you mean crisp as in the American chip, or crisp as in the weird tiny cracker thing, or do you mean the level of crispiness in a food?scully745 said:What is the best crisp ever?
Then the answer is certain, Generic Chips from restaurants. Seriously, went to a Perkin's one time and was amazed at the generic brand-less chips they had.scully745 said:Not sure which, came from a friend of mine who constantly asks it. I think just go with American ChipTiloXofXTanto said:Depends, do you mean crisp as in the American chip, or crisp as in the weird tiny cracker thing, or do you mean the level of crispiness in a food?scully745 said:What is the best crisp ever?
Wrong, in this example the argument provides the guarantor to existence only in those periods of lucid thought, you're denying the antecedent.TiloXofXTanto said:Nope, for though one may claim to think, and believe to think, because we have periods during which we don't think (at least, most people have those...y'know, sleep and kinetic concentration and things such as) we will never actually know that we think in the first place, and therefore may never actually...am....exist.Baneat said:Is Cogito Ergo Sum a sound argument?
Ah, I see where I went wrong then, as a follow up answer, I also believe that the argument is still not sound.Baneat said:Wrong, in this example the argument provides the guarantor to existence only in those periods of lucid thought, you're denying the antecedent.TiloXofXTanto said:Nope, for though one may claim to think, and believe to think, because we have periods during which we don't think (at least, most people have those...y'know, sleep and kinetic concentration and things such as) we will never actually know that we think in the first place, and therefore may never actually...am....exist.Baneat said:Is Cogito Ergo Sum a sound argument?
I don't think it's sound, but for a different reason.
Simply means you can't prove that it happened, you couldn't prove it if you were there either. Now the argument is falling foul of the "Appeal to Consequences" fallacy.TiloXofXTanto said:Ah, I see where I went wrong then, as a follow up answer, I also believe that the argument is still not sound.Baneat said:Wrong, in this example the argument provides the guarantor to existence only in those periods of lucid thought, you're denying the antecedent.TiloXofXTanto said:Nope, for though one may claim to think, and believe to think, because we have periods during which we don't think (at least, most people have those...y'know, sleep and kinetic concentration and things such as) we will never actually know that we think in the first place, and therefore may never actually...am....exist.Baneat said:Is Cogito Ergo Sum a sound argument?
I don't think it's sound, but for a different reason.
This is for the simple reason that I am aware of my capacity to die, and were I to perceive (and therefore think about) myself dying, then I would be dead, for I would think it. With that, the entirety of the universe (as I know it, perception crap) ceases to exist, in that the only reason it may or may not have been existent, was because I was perceiving it.
Honestly, a world being built on perception sounds incomplete, because were something to happen, and I were to never find out, it wouldn't have happened from my standpoint in the world.
No, no, it's fine, a nice discussion question that seems at least partially open-ended or that at least has the capacity to cause the many factions within my head to declare war (not with you, but me) is always welcome, plus, this thread is currently only kept alive by people like you who post such questions looking to generally confuse/annoy/get a straight answer from me......because it's mostly dead (now see Fate give me a middle finger by throwing out eight questions before I post this in a vain attempt to prove me wrong).Baneat said:Simply means you can't prove that it happened, you couldn't prove it if you were there either. Now the argument is falling foul of the "Appeal to Consequences" fallacy.TiloXofXTanto said:Ah, I see where I went wrong then, as a follow up answer, I also believe that the argument is still not sound.Baneat said:Wrong, in this example the argument provides the guarantor to existence only in those periods of lucid thought, you're denying the antecedent.TiloXofXTanto said:Nope, for though one may claim to think, and believe to think, because we have periods during which we don't think (at least, most people have those...y'know, sleep and kinetic concentration and things such as) we will never actually know that we think in the first place, and therefore may never actually...am....exist.Baneat said:Is Cogito Ergo Sum a sound argument?
I don't think it's sound, but for a different reason.
This is for the simple reason that I am aware of my capacity to die, and were I to perceive (and therefore think about) myself dying, then I would be dead, for I would think it. With that, the entirety of the universe (as I know it, perception crap) ceases to exist, in that the only reason it may or may not have been existent, was because I was perceiving it.
Honestly, a world being built on perception sounds incomplete, because were something to happen, and I were to never find out, it wouldn't have happened from my standpoint in the world.
Since I'm probably biting back too hard, and you've got other questions, here's a hand. It's actually a circular argument, the conclusion proves the premise.
So how do you prove a world exists then?Baneat said:There may be a little misunderstanding of the scope of the cogito
It's not "That which thinks is proven to exist"
It is merely "I" which is proven to exist, while "I" am thinking, "I" must exist as there must be an "I" producing said thoughts, which are at the basest level of existence.
You are indeed correct in that it doesn't stop the infinite regression of justification that he was hoping for, one can still doubt the nature of "I".
I'll be back with a newer, curvier throw.
You tell me, no philosopher has successfully done it.Dragonpit said:So how do you prove a world exists then?Baneat said:There may be a little misunderstanding of the scope of the cogito
It's not "That which thinks is proven to exist"
It is merely "I" which is proven to exist, while "I" am thinking, "I" must exist as there must be an "I" producing said thoughts, which are at the basest level of existence.
You are indeed correct in that it doesn't stop the infinite regression of justification that he was hoping for, one can still doubt the nature of "I".
I'll be back with a newer, curvier throw.
1) Your IQ, it drops 0.000000000000000012% every second that you live without being asleep, while your eyesight's deterioration is quite variable.Ruuvan said:Having read all 11 pages of this thread, what has deteriorated more: My eyesight or my IQ?
And another one: If someone has the time to answer random questions three days on the trot, what job does that man have that he can sustain himself financially?
Oh, and: What are the Euromillions lottery numbers coming up on Saturday 21st May 2011?
Your mom.....'s drunken step-father?Dragonpit said:If Mary left her house at about 5:00 pm, and at a rate of 60mph traveled a distance of 100 km, who will be sleeping with her that night?
1) Astral Projection and/or a boxcutter I have in my pocket for the specific reason of opening all of these damn packages that people keep sending me. Freaking stalkers and their creepy gifts that make growling noises and ......Ruuvan said:I hope to see a reply when I get back from work tomorrow, so I'll leave you with another couple of questions, this time from Postal: If you were in a box, how would you think outside it? And what is the difference between a duck?