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Beffudled Sheep said:
Bloorayne: All I remember about this is that Bloodrayne was hot. Other than that my memory about this movie has been deleted.
Ah yes, that's the one where Uwe Boll really needed a scene of Meatloaf flanked by some half-naked eye candy, so he hired a couple of Romanian prostitutes. Cuz that's cheaper than getting actresses to do it.

No really, that's a thing that happened.
 

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Beffudled Sheep said:
Bloorayne: All I remember about this is that Bloodrayne was hot. Other than that my memory about this movie has been deleted.
Ah yes, that's the one where Uwe Boll really needed a scene of Meatloaf flanked by some half-naked eye candy, so he hired a couple of Romanian prostitutes. Cuz that's cheaper than getting actresses to do it.

No really, that's a thing that happened.
Well, it?s not like the logic isn?t sound. And I don?t think prostitutes are covered by SAG so he can get away with below award wages.

It?s still weird as hell but the A to B progression makes sense.
 

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So I saw Sonic. Going to re-post a top ten:

10: Resident Evil: Extinction
9: Resident Evil: The Final Chapter
8: Warcraft
7: Resident Evil: Apocalypse
6: Resident Evil
5: Detective Pikachu
4: Sonic the Hedgehog
3: Mortal Kombat
2: Prince of Persia
1: Tomb Raider

Changed things around a bit. 1 and 2, and 10-6 are clear cut, 3-6 are vying for position at this point.

Y'know, it's funny, but I think Sonic and Detective Pikachu share some of the same issues, among them being that there's too much focus on the human characters, and not on the titular characters they're named after. I'll also admit that they're probably better than Mortal Kombat and Resident Evil, but I probably enjoy those films more. Why MK gets elevated above, while RE doesn't, don't know, but, well...

Whatever the case, Tomb Raider remains the only genuinely good VG movie by my criteria.

CoCage said:
I knew MB was full of shit with his review, because one, he thought the film was based off of WoW and not the older entries, and two, he likes to shit on the RE games claiming the stories are all shit (other than RE4&7), while saying the films are shlocky, but in a good way. Which he says only to be a contrarian.
How the heck does one claim that RE4 has one of the best stories in the series? I mean, much as I love the game, its story isn't its strong point.

The Warcraft movie definitely pays respect to its source material and is unashamed of it, unlike the live action RE films.
So, I'm going to say something that may come off as contrarian, but I swear it isn't. Nevertheless, I don't think the RE films disrespect the source material.

Take liberties? Sure. They stopped being adaptations after the second film, and threw characters/monsters in without rhyme or reason. But whatever his flaws as a director, Anderson's struck me as being a genuine fan of the series. I saw the script for Afterlife, and in the script, he's clearly geeking out over stuff like the las plagas and Executioner. How well those elements fit in are another matter, but I got the sense that he knows his stuff.
 

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Well, it?s not like the logic isn?t sound. And I don?t think prostitutes are covered by SAG so he can get away with below award wages.

It?s still weird as hell but the A to B progression makes sense.
Yes, of course, it does make sense. It's just, everything I know about Uwe Boll paints him as a douchy sleazeball, the kind who'd do trashy stuff. But you know how sometimes something can be funny because someone's acting out of character?

This is the complete opposite. It's exactly what you expect. There's no juxtaposition at all.
 

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Hawki said:
CoCage said:
I knew MB was full of shit with his review, because one, he thought the film was based off of WoW and not the older entries, and two, he likes to shit on the RE games claiming the stories are all shit (other than RE4&7), while saying the films are shlocky, but in a good way. Which he says only to be a contrarian.
How the heck does one claim that RE4 has one of the best stories in the series? I mean, much as I love the game, its story isn't its strong point.

Similar to Yahtzee's reason it's because "Da game is self-aware! So dat make it better than the Umbrella conspiracy story line!" Which goes to prove they like put down the other games just to make RE4 look better. This why certain people are justified in the RE4 is overrated argument. At least Jim Sterling acknowledged the older RE being important to the franchise instead of just two games. Yahtzee and Movie Bob once again prove that critics in the gaming sphere will abandon certain games to appear either mature, credible, or to sound smarter than their respective peers. Thankfully, certain video game analysis's on YT called them out on this bullshit. Mainly Avalanche. So it's good to see other follow their on standards instead of constantly parroting know-nothing-know-it-all critics like they are objective truths or facts.

Just because a story self-aware does not make it good. Hypocritical on Bob's part as he as spoken against this mentality, but it's apparently okay when he does it. Besides, as Leon said "Saddler, you're small time!". And how right Mr. Kennedy is. Los illuminados are no longer a factor and have only been mentioned once in RE5. That's it.



So, I'm going to say something that may come off as contrarian, but I swear it isn't. Nevertheless, I don't think the RE films disrespect the source material.

Take liberties? Sure. They stopped being adaptations after the second film, and threw characters/monsters in without rhyme or reason. But whatever his flaws as a director, Anderson's struck me as being a genuine fan of the series. I saw the script for Afterlife, and in the script, he's clearly geeking out over stuff like the las plagas and Executioner. How well those elements fit in are another matter, but I got the sense that he knows his stuff.
The monster design, but without the context to most of them, is barely above respect. He sure as hell does not respect Chris, Jill, Leon, Claire, Barry, or Ada (I mostly don't like her so this does not bother me as much). Alice is a bad, overpowered, God Mode Sue in later films and all the characters play second fiddle to the director's fan fic character. It's a problem when in Jill's debut film, she barely plays a factor and Nemesis was given an actual backstory as Alice's love interest in the first film. I know it was hinted at in the first film with the "Nemesis Program" line, but I wished they retconned that. Most of the time, the RE heroes can't outshine his precious wife or they will make is OC look bad. I find nearly all of the films tedious and boring to watch. The first one is okay, because it does it's own thing while still being respectful enough, but all of the others are films that act like it is still the mid 2000s. I'd sooner read all of the RE novel or comics. I'd sooner play RE 0, 6, Operation Raccoon City, and Dead Aim (which is decent) before touching any of the movies.

EDIT: I still say George A. Romero's original script was the best option. He was close to the games than Paul WS Anderson wished he could be. Romero's script was literally RE1, except Chris did not work for STARS, is Native American, and he works on a farm. Other than that, it was a straight up adaption of RE1. Romero even had the zombie dogs, the Hunters, and Plant42. The only thing missing were the sharks, but that did not bother me.
 

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CoCage said:
And how right Mr. Kennedy is. Los illuminados are no longer a factor and have only been mentioned once in RE5. That's it.
And Vendetta.

Honestly, I'd be fine with Los Illuminados coming back. It would actually be less bonkers than the whole Neo-Umbrella stuff.


The monster design, but without the context to most of them, is barely above respect. He sure as hell does not respect Chris, Jill, Leon, Claire, Barry, or Ada (I mostly don't like her so this does not bother me as much). Alice is a bad, overpowered, God Mode Sue in later films and all the characters play second fiddle to the director's fan fic character.
Look, I get that, but it doesn't enter the realm of disrespect for me, least not in the way I'd usually use it in this context. I say this because:

-If the RE films weren't based on a pre-existing IP, Alice overshadowing the other characters would still be a problem. There's nothing wrong with a protagonist being better than those surrounding said protagonist, but as time goes on, Alice ends up making everyone around her redundant.

-I don't think there's a concious effort on Anderson's part to have Alice overshadow the game characters. Like, he wrote every one of the RE films, and taking that as a benchmark of his quality as a writer, I'm left to ask "what quality?" So if an amateur writer has an OC that overshadows the main characters, is that evidence of malice on their part, or simply a reflection of their lack of ability? I mean, I've been writing fanfic since I was 7, and I understand the appeal of OCs, even though I don't use them in the way I originally did.

Like, I get the frustration, but I can't hate Anderson for it too much. In part because of what I've said, in part because he's struck me as being a genuine fan of the games, and in part because I more see the films as being a film series that shares a name with a game series rather than a bona fide adaptation of said game series. I don't have much trouble separating the two.

It's a problem when in Jill's debut film, she barely plays a factor and Nemesis was given an actual backstory as Alice's love interest in the first film. I know it was hinted at in the first film with the "Nemesis Program" line, but I wished they retconned that.
I'd hardly call Matt Alice's love interest. There's nothing to suggest a romantic connection in the films, and IIRC, nothing in the novels either. Only love interest Alice gets is Carlos.

EDIT: I still say George A. Romero's original script was the best option. He was close to the games than Paul WS Anderson wished he could be. Romero's script was literally RE1, except Chris did not work for STARS, is Native American, and he works on a farm. Other than that, it was a straight up adaption of RE1. Romero even had the zombie dogs, the Hunters, and Plant42. The only thing missing were the sharks, but that did not bother me.
I've read the Romero script. To be honest, I doubt it would have succeeded as well - least if we define success as longevity and revenue. It's certainly a more faithful adaptation, certain liberties aside (not just with Chris), but reading it, it felt...off, to me. Kind of like uncanny valley territory where it's close, but not close enough. Also it gave me the sense of it thinking it was deeper than it actually was, such as when Ada gives her moralizing speech. Romero's first RE film might have been less accurate, but to me, it was a tighter work - action-horror that was enjoyable.

I'll be honest, I don't think RE1 lends itself well to adaptation (the same can be said for a lot of games admittedly). It certainly didn't when S.D. Perry novelized it, where the novel drags as soon as it gets to the actual beginning of the game. It's slow-paced, isolated, with the majority of the plot revealed through hand-written notes. Even Romero's adaptation had to cluster the characters together and keep them moving forward.
 

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I liked the first 2 Resident Evil movies, and after watching them I then watch the third which was alright, and then keep going and they get increasingly bad and I'm grumpy by the end of the last one.

I also liked the DOOM movie with the Rock in it, and Warcraft was alright.

First Angelina Jolie Tomb Raider film was alright, and I sometimes sit through the second one after watching it. The reboot with (googles) Alicia Vikander was alright.
 

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Hawki said:
CoCage said:
And how right Mr. Kennedy is. Los illuminados are no longer a factor and have only been mentioned once in RE5. That's it.
And Vendetta.

Honestly, I'd be fine with Los Illuminados coming back. It would actually be less bonkers than the whole Neo-Umbrella stuff.


The monster design, but without the context to most of them, is barely above respect. He sure as hell does not respect Chris, Jill, Leon, Claire, Barry, or Ada (I mostly don't like her so this does not bother me as much). Alice is a bad, overpowered, God Mode Sue in later films and all the characters play second fiddle to the director's fan fic character.
Look, I get that, but it doesn't enter the realm of disrespect for me, least not in the way I'd usually use it in this context. I say this because:

-If the RE films weren't based on a pre-existing IP, Alice overshadowing the other characters would still be a problem. There's nothing wrong with a protagonist being better than those surrounding said protagonist, but as time goes on, Alice ends up making everyone around her redundant.

-I don't think there's a concious effort on Anderson's part to have Alice overshadow the game characters. Like, he wrote every one of the RE films, and taking that as a benchmark of his quality as a writer, I'm left to ask "what quality?" So if an amateur writer has an OC that overshadows the main characters, is that evidence of malice on their part, or simply a reflection of their lack of ability? I mean, I've been writing fanfic since I was 7, and I understand the appeal of OCs, even though I don't use them in the way I originally did.

Like, I get the frustration, but I can't hate Anderson for it too much. In part because of what I've said, in part because he's struck me as being a genuine fan of the games, and in part because I more see the films as being a film series that shares a name with a game series rather than a bona fide adaptation of said game series. I don't have much trouble separating the two.

It's a problem when in Jill's debut film, she barely plays a factor and Nemesis was given an actual backstory as Alice's love interest in the first film. I know it was hinted at in the first film with the "Nemesis Program" line, but I wished they retconned that.
I'd hardly call Matt Alice's love interest. There's nothing to suggest a romantic connection in the films, and IIRC, nothing in the novels either. Only love interest Alice gets is Carlos.

EDIT: I still say George A. Romero's original script was the best option. He was close to the games than Paul WS Anderson wished he could be. Romero's script was literally RE1, except Chris did not work for STARS, is Native American, and he works on a farm. Other than that, it was a straight up adaption of RE1. Romero even had the zombie dogs, the Hunters, and Plant42. The only thing missing were the sharks, but that did not bother me.
I've read the Romero script. To be honest, I doubt it would have succeeded as well - least if we define success as longevity and revenue. It's certainly a more faithful adaptation, certain liberties aside (not just with Chris), but reading it, it felt...off, to me. Kind of like uncanny valley territory where it's close, but not close enough. Also it gave me the sense of it thinking it was deeper than it actually was, such as when Ada gives her moralizing speech. Romero's first RE film might have been less accurate, but to me, it was a tighter work - action-horror that was enjoyable.

I'll be honest, I don't think RE1 lends itself well to adaptation (the same can be said for a lot of games admittedly). It certainly didn't when S.D. Perry novelized it, where the novel drags as soon as it gets to the actual beginning of the game. It's slow-paced, isolated, with the majority of the plot revealed through hand-written notes. Even Romero's adaptation had to cluster the characters together and keep them moving forward.
Debatable with Los Illuminados. Bringing them back would be treading old ground again and be repetitive. You can't make lightning strike twice. They're better off with one time appeal. Neo Umbrella was stupid too, but I don't want either back despite the end of 6 making them a huge factor and 7 ignoring them entirely.

Alice herself is redundant. Not the actual RE heroes. She becomes way OP in the 4th & 5th films. At the end of day I fucking hate Alice! I fucking hate her! I fucking hate her! Anderson threw monsters in there more or less unconvincingly saying "See, I play the games" by just randomly throwing them in the movies. It's lame fan service without much meaning. The RE1 SD Perry novel did have some pacing issues, but I don't care, the live-action films still have it worse when it comes to pacing. At least she tried, even when Perry made Rebecca Chambers her creator's pet.A move most fans did not like either.

I rather have one good film from the great zombie man himself, than a bunch of shitty in-name only adaptions. Romero's script was way more respectful to Capcom's games than Anderson and Capcom themselves. Then again, Capcom were mainly taking from Romero, so that's a given. When the Japanese RE2 commercial (directed by Romero himself) is a better representation of the franchise, you know their are problems. You like the films, more power to you, but me and many other fans rather forget they exists.

If WS Anderson does the same to Monster Hunter (from what I heard, it's the whole people from our world goes in to the Monster Hunter universe), I am fucking done with Capcom when it comes to anything live-action. Just make a fucking Monster Hunter movie only take place in its world. Enough the whole character comes in to our "real world" or "we" come to their world bullshit. It's trite, overdone, boring, and done over a million times.

Thaluikhain said:
I liked the first 2 Resident Evil movies, and after watching them I then watch the third which was alright, and then keep going and they get increasingly bad and I'm grumpy by the end of the last one.
Summed up my feelings entirely. I barely watched the 4th one and saw clips of 5 on YouTube. I did not go to the theater to see 3 & 4. I will tell you that much.
 

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CoCage said:
Debatable with Los Illuminados. Bringing them back would be treading old ground again and be repetitive. You can't make lightning strike twice. They're better off with one time appeal. Neo Umbrella was stupid too, but I don't want either back despite the end of 6 making them a huge factor and 7 ignoring them entirely.
The series trod old ground for ages with Umbrella. I'm not complaining, but ask yourself this - post-RE5, who's the main antagonist/group antagonist of the series?

You could argue that it doesn't need one, that post-Umbrella Chronicles (timeline-wise, not release-wise), the status quo of the setting is various biohazards happening, acting as catalysts for the games' plots. It's part of why I lost interest in the series post-RE5. And frankly, with what we know of RE8, taking place in Europe, near a castle, and dealing with werewolves...well, what does that remind you of?

Alice herself is redundant. Not the actual RE heroes. She becomes way OP in the 4th & 5th films.
That isn't redundant. OPness is, like, the opposite of redundancy. It's OPness that makes things around the OP redundant.

At least she tried, even when Perry made Rebecca Chambers her creator's pet.A move most fans did not like either.
That's news to me. How? Because of Caliban Cove? I can't begrudge Perry for giving Rebecca some spotlight when the series more or less tossed her to the curb post-RE1.
 

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Hawki said:
CoCage said:
Debatable with Los Illuminados. Bringing them back would be treading old ground again and be repetitive. You can't make lightning strike twice. They're better off with one time appeal. Neo Umbrella was stupid too, but I don't want either back despite the end of 6 making them a huge factor and 7 ignoring them entirely.
The series trod old ground for ages with Umbrella. I'm not complaining, but ask yourself this - post-RE5, who's the main antagonist/group antagonist of the series?

You could argue that it doesn't need one, that post-Umbrella Chronicles (timeline-wise, not release-wise), the status quo of the setting is various biohazards happening, acting as catalysts for the games' plots. It's part of why I lost interest in the series post-RE5. And frankly, with what we know of RE8, taking place in Europe, near a castle, and dealing with werewolves...well, what does that remind you of?

Alice herself is redundant. Not the actual RE heroes. She becomes way OP in the 4th & 5th films.
That isn't redundant. OPness is, like, the opposite of redundancy. It's OPness that makes things around the OP redundant.

At least she tried, even when Perry made Rebecca Chambers her creator's pet.A move most fans did not like either.
That's news to me. How? Because of Caliban Cove? I can't begrudge Perry for giving Rebecca some spotlight when the series more or less tossed her to the curb post-RE1.
Still redundant and boring and that's all I have to say on the matter. She's OP, which makes her redundant, because nothing is ever at stake in the later entries. Therefore she's redundant and boring. I don't care.

Who said I was complaining about Rebecca getting more spotlight? Tell that to the other RE fans. Too bad all of the novels are considered non-canon. Vendetta makes up for it.

You can keep hoping on Los Illuminados. Capcom is never bringing them back. Especially with RE8 rumored to have werewolves. A concept taken from the non-canon comics from Wildstorm.
 

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CoCage said:
Just because a story self-aware does not make it good.
Nobody believes that. Like any other creative choice, it's either right or wrong for the material.
It happens to be right for Resident Evil 4. Which remains the best Resident Evil.
 

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Johnny Novgorod said:
Nobody believes that. Like any other creative choice, it's either right or wrong for the material.
Moviebob certainly believes that, when it's fucking convenient.



It happens to be right for Resident Evil 4. Which remains the best Resident Evil.
The story is entertaing? Yes. Good? No. As for best RE game, that is your opinion. I remember your list. Here is mine.

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1. REmake2
2. RE2
3. Evil Within 2
4. RE4
5. Remake
6. Evil Within
7. RE3
8. RE5
9. RE7
10. Original
11. RE6
12. Code Veronica
13. RE0
 

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CoCage said:
I remember your list. Here is mine.
Um, why is Evil Within listed? I know they share a creator, but by that logic, Daymare should be included as well, since it started off as a RE2 remake.

Anyway, if we're doing lists:

15) Resident Evil: Umbrella Corps
14) Resident Evil Gaiden
13) Resident Evil: Survivour
12) Resident Evil: Outbreak File 2
11) Resident Evil: Outbreak
10) Resident Evil: Dead Aim
9) Resident Evil (original)
8) Resident Evil Zero
7) Resident Evil Code: Veronica
6) Resident Evil 5
5) Resident Evil 2 (original)
4) Resident Evil 3: Nemesis
3) Resident Evil 2 (remake)
2) Resident Evil (remake)
1) Resident Evil 4

And just for your viewing pleasure, if I had to rank the RE movies...

5) Retribution
4) The Final Chapter
3) Extinction
2) Apocalypse
1) Resident Evil

(Haven't seen Afterlife.)
 

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CoCage said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Nobody believes that. Like any other creative choice, it's either right or wrong for the material.
Moviebob certainly believes that, when it's fucking convenient.
He's a hack and I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

The story is entertaing? Yes. Good? No.
I didn't say that the story was good, I said it was the best Resident Evil game.
 

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Hawki said:
CoCage said:
I remember your list. Here is mine.
Um, why is Evil Within listed? I know they share a creator, but by that logic, Daymare should be included as well, since it started off as a RE2 remake.
You just now noticed this. Didn't you post in the let's rank Resident Evil thread too? Johnny's list has Dead Space as his number 2 spot. As for why, Evil Within 1 & 2. I found them better Resident Evil games, than most of the actual RE games. Especially Evil Within 2, which is the RE2 & a little of 3 for the series.



I didn't say that the story was good, I said it was the best Resident Evil game.[/quote]
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CoCage said:
Johnny Novgorod said:
Nobody believes that. Like any other creative choice, it's either right or wrong for the material.
Moviebob certainly believes that, when it's fucking convenient.
He's a hack and I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

The story is entertaing? Yes. Good? No.
I didn't say that the story was good, I said it was the best Resident Evil game.
Damn straight Moviebob is a hack! Best sentence in this thread right now!

Once again your opinion. You already saw my list.
 

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CoCage said:
You just now noticed this. Didn't you post in the let's rank Resident Evil thread too? Johnny's list has Dead Space as his number 2 spot.
That was ages ago. Just skimmed through the thread to re-find my rating, because I didn't have access to my folder on my PC which has numerous Word documents with numerous rankings of numerous series.

...no, I don't have a problem, why do you ask?
 

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Hawki said:
CoCage said:
You just now noticed this. Didn't you post in the let's rank Resident Evil thread too? Johnny's list has Dead Space as his number 2 spot.
That was ages ago. Just skimmed through the thread to re-find my rating, because I didn't have access to my folder on my PC which has numerous Word documents with numerous rankings of numerous series.

...no, I don't have a problem, why do you ask?
I was just reminding you, nothing more. I know the topic was ages ago, but I was able to find it through google in 0.5 seconds.