RANT: Weapons on your back

[Scarim Coral]

Monster Hunter Tri is one of the offender (I not too sure if the other series had this problem too). One of the weapons you get Katana like weapons and while you get the scabbard for it but when you draw it out, the scabbard is like a hologram. So yeah I would like to see a more realistic approach or at least to have the katana at the waist.

 

[wolas3214]

Sword fights between professional Plate clad soldiers could last up of 10-20 minutes before one is inevitably slain.

But this level of realism just simply isn't very fun.

I beg to differ, that sounds fucking awesome if you could implement it in a deep and strategic manner.

Mount and blade: warband is what your looking for. Ive literally dueled 5 minutes straight, picking up shieldes or better weapons from corpses to continue fighting and deftly block and jabbing inbetween, Best combat ive ever seen implemented into a fantasy game

 

[Wolfram23]

Couldn't agree more. Thing is, it's a game. It doesn't HAVE to make sense.

I hate that argument. I really, really do.

OT: Yeah, it's a major annoyance to me too. Scabbard's exist for a reason.

Me too. The thing is, a game sets it's boundaries. Mario games you know you're in for supremely ridiculous affair - double jumping and wall jumps and walking mushrooms and the like.

But you play a game like even Dragon Age 2 which is trying to look realistic and gritty for a fantasy setting. You can expect things like elves and dwarves and dragons and magic. But they still want to root it in realism and seeing a pair of short swords floating 3 inches off my character's back just throws that right out the window.

A game like WoW doesn't even try for realism so to me it's acceptable to have floating swords. I mean the armour itself is so crazy and flamboyant, you can ride dinosaurs, you can fall from pretty significant heights, not to mention all the silly emotes and all the little "easter egg" references scattered throughout the games.

In Fallout New Vegas I actually had to download a mod that created a pistol holster. It works great and honestly I can't believe that is something Obsidian didn't even think about.

Witcher 2, I actually think it's fine having the swords on the back even if it's completely silly from a usefulness standpoint because at least there's scabbards and such. They game is trying to look real, just like DA2, and at least they have the decency to not make weapons magically float on people's backs.

 

[Nylis]

So, people have problems with weapons that float on backs, but no problems with inventories that can hold a hundred greatswords, or battles that take place in small alternate dimensions, or swinging and clearly hitting a monster with your sword, but have words pop up and tell you that you missed. There are a lot of unrealistic things in games, because they are games.

 

[Sarge034]

Wow, you really want to bait me huh?
I've said what I have to say and since you're interested in my motives rather than talk about the subject with others who have a lot of good arguments going, I again advise to make a Personal Message or perhaps talk with me under different conditions, Facebook Messenger or so.

To many, it's minor, and it is, but it's like games are trying to make it look dumber and more mainstream than needed be.

I'm baiting you? It is not like you took the time to make a rant thread, admit this is a minor issue, and refuse to discuss your reasoning. Ow wait, you did. I have given several examples of things that make since in some of the games you stated as having a problem with. However, you decided to ignore them and contenue to blindly rant.

I'm not PM you because you made this thread to talk about this "issue".

I'm not using facebook or any of that shit because you made this thread to talk about this "issue".

So guess what. I'm using this thread to discuss this "issue" with you.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Where do you expect the main character to keep his/her massive two-handed sword?

 

[El_Nastro]

Where do you expect the main character to keep his/her massive two-handed sword?

That question implies s.o.b.'s only happen in games when we've got a "massive two-handed sword". But that's not the way it is.

For one, it's every type of weapon; 1-handed arming swords, cutlasses, staves, axes, crossbows, polearms, spears, rapiers...everything.

Second, it's not just in games. S.O.B.'s are found everywhere; movies, anime, western animation, comics, cover art, illustrations, miniatures...the only place s.o.b.'s aren't found is in historic sources (except for 2...count 'em 2....very suspect mentions on Wikipedia).

And at this point it's completely taken for granted. That's where the sword goes. The majority of artists, illustrators, and designers probably do it without even thinking about it, because that's just what you do. Swords are worn on the back - everyone knows that.

But I bet we'll see less and less of it as time goes by. Western Swordmanship is on the rise, and katana-fetishism is seeing a decline (thank god). More and more people fancy themselves as knowing a thing or two about real swordsmanship, so I predict we're going to see a trend away from "all things totally ninja" towards a more realistic depiction of this kind of thing.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Where do you expect the main character to keep his/her massive two-handed sword?

That question implies s.o.b.'s only happen in games when we've got a "massive two-handed sword". But that's not the way it is.

For one, it's every type of weapon; 1-handed arming swords, cutlasses, staves, axes, crossbows, polearms, spears, rapiers...everything.

Second, it's not just in games. S.O.B.'s are found everywhere; movies, anime, western animation, comics, cover art, illustrations, miniatures...the only place s.o.b.'s aren't found is in historic sources (except for 2...count 'em 2....very suspect mentions on Wikipedia).

And at this point it's completely taken for granted. That's where the sword goes. The majority of artists, illustrators, and designers probably do it without even thinking about it, because that's just what you do. Swords are worn on the back - everyone knows that.

But I bet we'll see less and less of it as time goes by. Western Swordmanship is on the rise, and katana-fetishism is seeing a decline (thank god). More and more people fancy themselves as knowing a thing or two about real swordsmanship, so I predict we're going to see a trend away from "all things totally ninja" towards a more realistic depiction of this kind of thing.

Congratulations, you have managed to completely misinterpret my post. To start, my post's question was sarcasm in case you didn't realize that. The massive two handed sword is an example of a weapon that wouldn't have many practical alternatives to carrying on the back without help, and the thrust of my remark is that the floating sword is an acceptable break from reality that isn't worth the time or development money to fix.

 

[SageRuffin]

I like to think that the wearer has some type of magnetic undershirt or something to keep whatever metal object. And other materials? Magic, or some other type of ethereal force.

While we're on the subject, since when did gaming get to a point where everything has to ULTRA HYPER REALISTIC for anyone to take it seriously? Is it really that hard to suspend your disbelief when it comes to holstering your weapon?

 

[MurderousToaster]

I see where you're coming from, but I'd much, much rather have a ludicrously impractical weapon on my back (this is in the sort of game where you can casually stand around holding a massive two-handed axe in one hand, after all) than have my character pull the weapon out of his ass.

 

[RivFader86]

It's not just you that's wondering about that...listen closely when you play those games...when you are running down the roads at full speed in plate armor for hours with 10 swords, 3 dragon heads, 10000 gold, 2 shields, 121 potions, a table for your house, some cheese for your mouse and a horse in your pocket...you can hear the peasants go "Wonder how he keeps that sword stuck to his back"