Rap The Music Of The Outcast

chuckman1

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What is rap to you? Most likely you think it's stupid (based on what I've seen here). But I believe rap is an outlet for socially unacceptable behavior. By the way if you're not from the US and a relatively big city (Phoenix is around 4 million people in total I think) you probably will have trouble understanding this American rap.
But in most forms (except pop rap) rap songs discuss behavior society frowns upon. example here's some very "bad" behavior. A song by Crips singing about their lives. Most would denounce this but it is art. Many people turn to gangs when they had no other friends or their families were in the gang. But even if you join one you are in a group of outcasts. Your lifestyle would be harshly judged.
So gangsta rap is a great example of how rap is the music of the outcast. For a long time rap was mainly made by black people (especially men) who in American society are often outcast for the way they look, or stereotypes of society.
But regular rap also does this without needing to talk about murdering your rivals. DMX raps about his shitty childhood and his crack addiction. (I suggest the dirty version but the video shows some important things such as him in an ambulance.
Basically rap is one place where you can sing poetry about being poor, outcasted by society, having a shitty life, or having a crack addiction, without it ending your career. I just feel the overall tone of rap welcomes the outcast to success but is too often seen as negative but I see it as a great source of art.


TLDR- Rap allows people to talk about unacceptable activities like gangbanging, american socialism, abusive childhoods, or something as trivial as smoking weed. It gets a worse...RAP than it deserves. What do you think rap is? Have I opened any eyes or is everyone already masters of rap.
What rap do you like?
Or do you just hate rap.
 

BathorysGraveland2

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I'm more or less purely into 90's gangsta rap, the dirtier, the better. The Bloods & Crips project, and the respective solo projects, Damu Ridas and Nationwide Rip Ridaz, is some of my favourite stuff actually. You can tell it's all done by amateurs, but there's a certain tough, pissed-off atmosphere to it that makes it sound really grimy and criminal. I'm also a huge fan of the Sacramento "siccmade" rap, that consisted of the trio of Brotha Lynch Hung, Sicx (my favourite of the three) and X-Raided, along with Mr. Doctor as a close affiliate. I also like a bunch of the other, more classic gangsta rap artists such as N.W.A and their members respective solo careers (MC Ren's probably being my favourite), Compton's Most Wanted, B.G Knocc Out & Dresta, South Central Cartel (their first two albums, mainly), Spice 1 and Celly Cel. There's also a few more obscure artists I really like such as Watts Gangstas, G-Len, G-Slimm, Kam, Menajahtwa and Ghetto Kaos (who I really recommend checking out. Fucking killer beats). Throw in the east coast groups Public Enemy and early Wu-Tang and that's my rap interests in a nutshell.

As to what rap is to me: dark or bassy beats, sometimes with cool, slick sounding synths giving it an arrogant vibe, lyrics describing ghetto life styles (gangster) or senseless violence/evil (Sacramento rap). Twisted beats, dark and heavy beats all help when backing a strong vocal delivery, particularly when it's performed with intensity and full of vulgarity.

Can't say I'm into any rap that exceeds around 1997/1998 however, mostly because the beats started getting really soft, really digital sounding, and the vocal delivery starting getting a little too laid-back for my liking. Not angry or pissed off enough. Because gangsta rap started becoming mainstream, it lost that gritty, dark, underground vibe for me, and that loses my interest. Though to be fair, I haven't done too much searching of modern underground scenes, where I'm sure there are artists continuing the sound of the 90's.
 

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I'm generally really not a fan of rap.

Perhaps it was once the music of the outcasts, but it's been commercialised nowdays. Endless insufferable rich tosser singing about how poor they are, and how much they like to victimise others, pretending to be a victim of something or other.

But, that seems to be what always happens with subcultures formed by the have-nots, the haves decide they want to have that as well.
 

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I don't think it can really be considered outcast music? In fact it's generally the cultures who would classify themselves as 'outcasts' who seem to have the most dislike towards rap. I think because that includes a lot of metalheads who couldn't be weaned out of their singular genre bubble if anyone tried and also younger people who seem to believe that their entire generation is the worst yet and they're a special little outlier.

Me personally? I just listen to whatever.
 

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BathorysGraveland2 said:
I'm more or less purely into 90's gangsta rap, the dirtier, the better. The Bloods & Crips project, and the respective solo projects, Damu Ridas and Nationwide Rip Ridaz, is some of my favourite stuff actually. You can tell it's all done by amateurs, but there's a certain tough, pissed-off atmosphere to it that makes it sound really grimy and criminal. I'm also a huge fan of the Sacramento "siccmade" rap, that consisted of the trio of Brotha Lynch Hung, Sicx (my favourite of the three) and X-Raided, along with Mr. Doctor as a close affiliate. I also like a bunch of the other, more classic gangsta rap artists such as N.W.A and their members respective solo careers (MC Ren's probably being my favourite), Compton's Most Wanted, B.G Knocc Out & Dresta, South Central Cartel (their first two albums, mainly), Spice 1 and Celly Cel. There's also a few more obscure artists I really like such as Watts Gangstas, G-Len, G-Slimm, Kam, Menajahtwa and Ghetto Kaos (who I really recommend checking out. Fucking killer beats). Throw in the east coast groups Public Enemy and early Wu-Tang and that's my rap interests in a nutshell.

As to what rap is to me: dark or bassy beats, sometimes with cool, slick sounding synths giving it an arrogant vibe, lyrics describing ghetto life styles (gangster) or senseless violence/evil (Sacramento rap). Twisted beats, dark and heavy beats all help when backing a strong vocal delivery, particularly when it's performed with intensity and full of vulgarity.

Can't say I'm into any rap that exceeds around 1997/1998 however, mostly because the beats started getting really soft, really digital sounding, and the vocal delivery starting getting a little too laid-back for my liking. Not angry or pissed off enough. Because gangsta rap started becoming mainstream, it lost that gritty, dark, underground vibe for me, and that loses my interest. Though to be fair, I haven't done too much searching of modern underground scenes, where I'm sure there are artists continuing the sound of the 90's.
Hey good suggestions I like what I'm hearing.
You like similar stuff to me.
 
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Honestly, I'll listen to anything if it catches my ear just right.

Like this?


I fucking love this shit. The rap is strong in this one.
 

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chuckman1 said:
What do you think rap is? Have I opened any eyes or is everyone already masters of rap.
What rap do you like?
Or do you just hate rap.
In my mind rap is just spoken word, or poems played to a beat. What really sets it apart from other musical genres to me is how it came to be and the different styles of flow that can come from certain individuals.

Now when we talk about rap I like, I have a hard time getting into the mainstream artists: Lil Wayne, Drake, etc or to even get into the classics like Tupac and Biggie. It's not impossible for me to enjoy a song or two of theirs however; I really dig MAAD City by Kendrick Lamar, and Eminem's Rap God is very exciting to the point where I'd happily say he deserves that title. But really the only artist I can listen to consistently is Tech N9ne. He uses imagery I always found myself drawn to(face paint bordering on corpse paint from Black Metal and lyrical nods towards religion)plus he is a fan of rock and metal. My favorite song from him are EBAH. Here he did a song with Serj Tankian of System of A Down.


And here he mixes rap and metal while experimenting more with corpse paint.

 

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DANGER- MUST SILENCE said:
True, and then there's someone like Slick Rick, who rapped about serious, and often dark, topics but in a light-hearted/comical way as well. The genre is a lot more versatile than many give it credit for.
 

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Rap is something that flies over my head; I know a couple of the classics like 'Gangsta's Paradise', 'C U When U Get There' and 'Changes' and three songs do not a Greatest Hits collection make.

I also feel I could be forgiven for thinking that Rap is almost always guns, whores, and whores getting shot with guns. Occasionally replacing whores with cops. I know this is a gross misrepresentation of the genre, much like all Rock n Roll is Sex and Drugs, and Heavy Metal is Satan worship.

Also, from the aficionados does this count as rap


I mean to my barbarian ears, it's rap, but what say you experts?
 

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Lately I've been listening to a lot of Eminem, and I want to get his newest album. I've listened to decent of old and new gangsta rap, but it isn't necessarily my thing. I'm not the biggest fan of rap, as I said its more of a recent thing for me, but ai find myself liking many of the songs. I've also been checking out some of Macklemore's other music, as well as Biggie Smalls and Tupac.

Any suggestions for some other artists to check out, or some really good rap songs?
 

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do you mean "outkast"

with escapist seemingly having a large metalhead population I did see my fair share of "rap is dumb" but latley not so much thankfully

at some point I didn't feel the need to justify it to people who wouldn't like it in the first place, some its its gangsta some of it isn't I dont think theres anything wrong with preferring more....positive rap

I like all kinds from odern to old school...I do have a tolerance for gangsta stuff but it has to be GOOD otherwise I have less interent..I'm also particular with beats, I think I good beat is incredibly important..some beats, like a lot of Tech n9nes work feel..generic and artificial, one of the better ones in this regard is "Fragile"

Wraith said:
he does put out albums at an insane rate while remaining sold...

rap is popular and mainstream..but back in the day it WAS certainly a different thing...in the 80's MTV would not show black people on the screen..thats fucking insane...

this requires no explanation
 

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Liquidprid3 said:
Lately I've been listening to a lot of Eminem, and I want to get his newest album. I've listened to decent of old and new gangsta rap, but it isn't necessarily my thing. I'm not the biggest fan of rap, as I said its more of a recent thing for me, but ai find myself liking many of the songs. I've also been checking out some of Macklemore's other music, as well as Biggie Smalls and Tupac.

Any suggestions for some other artists to check out, or some really good rap songs?
If you don't mind him being a socialist conspiracy theorist Immortal Technique is awesome Ludacris is consistently good Sometimes Nas is great I suggest finding your own, usually what's on the rap radio stations either sucks or is overplayed.
 

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To me, rap is the most popular music and the one which I am plagued to endure on a regular basis. For me, the more obscure Metals would be the music of the outcast... Mainly because I'm an outcast and like obscure Metals. Hel, I don't even get on with other Metallers (macho assholes).
 

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I can't really say that I'm into rap at all. I have to listen to it all the time, as it is the genre of choice for those who like blasting music in their cars or at get-togethers. I also have to hear it every time I go to the dining hall and when I am with my brothers. Now, I will admit I haven't looked much into the underground or early stuff, so my perspective might just be skewed by having only listened to the really bad popular stuff. But given what I have listened to, it doesn't resonate well with me in the slightest.
 

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Honestly I'm just here for the rhymes. Most of the pretentious gangsta shit doesn't interest me. I like some of the mainstream stuff, Eminem's pretty good, what I've heard of Talib Kweli I like, same with Hopsin, and Snoop has his moments, but mainly I've listened to MF DOOM. Look up the Mouse and the Mask. The instrumental part is also different, but I mainly like it for the dense rhymes and interesting structures, and they don't get into that repetitive shit you see a lot where they find a nice bit and think "That can be half the track". At one point I thought "Maybe I actually do like rap and I didn't realise it", so I clicked on something by Ice Cube, and it was shit. Said something about a pyroclastic flow, which could have been interesting, but then he doesn't expand on the concept, just repeats the line 4 times like he thought it was clever enough to carry a stanza by itself.
 

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chuckman1 said:
Rap allows people to talk about unacceptable activities like gangbanging, american socialism, abusive childhoods, or something as trivial as smoking weed.
I think that's just art in general.

Anyway never cared for rap it always sounds a bit. . . . ummm Basic? Bare bones? A lot of what I look for in vocals doesn't appear to matter in rap. (I'll be damned if I can articulate what it is though.) I like Rage Against The Machine, but that's kind of despite of the fact they rap, not because of it.
 

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Like others have said, rap is the spoken word to a beat.
People tend to think hip hop and gangsta' rap when they hear "rap" but they forget that rap is everywhere.
From Linkin Park to Ke$ha.

Rap can be the music of outcasts, but I don't think it's THE music of outcasts.
Music in general is the haven of outcasts.

But with a couple of notable exceptions I do prefer rap of the hip hop kind.
There's something about hip hop, sometimes it just feels like it has the highest potential to be intelligent, wise music.

MeChaNiZ3D said:
At one point I thought "Maybe I actually do like rap and I didn't realise it", so I clicked on something by Ice Cube, and it was shit.
Most of Ice Cube's stuff is very gangsta', he was a member of NWA after all. And he's never been the most skilled rapper out there. But he does have an extensive catalogue of music so there will be at least one song of his you'll like.
Try his most well known track.
It's got that lovely beat and it paints a rather vivid picture of an uneventful day in the life of a 23 year old Ice Cube.