Rape Games: Not Exactly Games

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Ultrajoe

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No, this does not belong in gaming discussion.

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It occurs to me, as I watch this whole Rapeplay issue unfold, that the flipside of a rape game is not where a woman runs around hunting rapists, because in the a rape game ALL women are potential targets, and in a rapist hunt the targets are specific people, not an entire demographic class. A flipside game with real parity would be a woman running around, not killing, but irreparably mutilating men, any and all men, at will.

The nature of rape is not aggression, but hate and dominance. It is a rage crime, a hate crime, and like most hate crimes, it is used to enforce power hierarchy. That's why straight men rape other men in prison.

So given that this game, in which you seek to act out hate crimes against women over and over, is OK, if someone were to create a game in which the player drove around lynching people of color? Or gay-bashing? What about a Kristallnacht [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht] game? You could get some interesting gameplay out of that.

--melee attack Window--
[Achievement unlocked: 50 storefront windows broken]
--melee attack Jew--
[Jew runs away in fear]
--melee attack--
[You are too far away]
--ranged attack--
[Your target is dead]
[Skill in Firearms increased to 136]
--right clicks on mouth for Tooth Check--
[You receive loot: 12 Gold]

Do you think a game like this would encourage anti-Semitism?

According to an FBI study, 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. I can guarantee you that if you know more than 10 women, you know one woman who has been raped. But lets go back to that 1-in-4. People accuse that of being exaggerated. OK, let's push it out 50% and make it 1-in-6.

--Your wife or girlfriend
--Your daughter
--Your mother
--Your grandmother
--Your sister
--Your friend

Pick one.

OK, now explain to this woman who you love, who has been invaded, overthrown, and vandalized as a human being at the most intimate level, explain to her why you don't think this game is a problem.

Keep in mind that, if it's your wife or girlfriend, every time you have sex, that rapist is in the bed with you, for just a second maybe, but he's there. Imagine her reading this thread. Keep in mind that there are some days when she cannot stop remembering it. Keep in mind there are nights where it happens all over again in her dreams. Keep in mind that there are certain smells, a cologne maybe, or a certain combination of beer, cigarette smoke, and sweat, that make her run to the bathroom and vomit.

Keep in mind that, for her, this will never really stop happening to her, ever.

I'm not saying there aren't arguments to be made against banning these games, legitimate ones. I just want you to make them to her.
 

dontworryaboutit

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Ultrajoe said:
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According to an FBI study, 1 in 4 women will be sexually assaulted in her lifetime. I can guarantee you that if you know more than 10 women, you know one woman who has been raped. But lets go back to that 1-in-4. People accuse that of being exaggerated. OK, let's push it out 50% and make it 1-in-6.

--Your wife or girlfriend
--Your daughter
--Your mother
--Your grandmother
--Your sister
--Your friend

Pick one.
I don't need to pick. That decision has already been made for me.
 

Leorex

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Caimekaze said:
Leorex said:
they where baned, its over.
No they weren't. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/92036-Rape-Games-Not-Banned-in-Japan-After-All]
yes they are.

they where "re-baned"
http://kotaku.com/5275409/rape-games-officially-banned-in-japan
 

brainfreeze215

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Games are open forum for just about anything, as long as it's done tastefully.

That being said, I don't think there's any way for one of these games to be done tastefully.
 

Ultrajoe

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madbird-valiant said:
Yes, this should be in Gaming Discussion.
No. This isn't about the games or the politics surrounding them. This is about the human factor that we seem to be ignoring in this issue. Which is, to be frank, fucking stupid, given that ther personal factor is the entire problem and cause of Rape.
 

Altorin

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Ultrajoe said:
--Your wife or girlfriend
--Your daughter
--Your mother
--Your grandmother
--Your sister
--Your friend

Pick one.
I must be a rape magnet.
 

Lord Krunk

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I loathe rape games, but then you have to admit that some people have their fetishes. And then remember the famous delusion of some sick-minded people [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RapeIsLove].

At the end of the day, rape is unacceptable. So I agree with you there.
 

Caimekaze

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Leorex said:
Caimekaze said:
Leorex said:
they where baned, its over.
No they weren't. [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/92036-Rape-Games-Not-Banned-in-Japan-After-All]
yes they are.

they where "re-baned"
http://kotaku.com/5275409/rape-games-officially-banned-in-japan
They weren't actually banned, according to that article.

But their production is going to cease. I'm all for this.
 

Ultrajoe

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Caimekaze said:
But their production is going to cease. I'm all for this.
Agreed, this certainly shows that people aren't ignorant of the nature of these games.

Still, I was appaled to see so many people defending the games in the threads concerning them.
 

Caimekaze

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Ultrajoe said:
Caimekaze said:
But their production is going to cease. I'm all for this.
Agreed, this certainly shows that people aren't ignorant of the nature of these games.

Still, I was appaled to see so many people defending the games in the threads concerning them.
Well, my personal opinion is somewhat conflicted.
These games, to me, are similar (albeit slightly worse than) to pornography that simulates rape. Neither one (hopefully) is the real act of rape. If you're to ban the games, you should have to ban the pornography. While I'm against censorship, I'm all for them ceasing production of these things.
I hate them.
 

quiet_samurai

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In some places sexual assault could be running up and slapping a girls ass, so it's things like this that probably give the one in four statistic its merit(Not saying it's incoorect though). Or they took this poll in a trailer park...... in Alabama..... during Nascar week.

And as far as the ass slapping thing.... I'm a total repeat offender.
 

Sewblon

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Men who rape other men are not straight, they may be bisexual, but they are not straight. "If it is your wife or girlfriend, every time you have sex, the rapist is in bed with you, it may only be for a second or two but he is their." I do not understand that, you need to explain that to me.
 

Alex_P

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quiet_samurai said:
In some places sexual assault could be running up and slapping a girls ass, so it's things like this that probably give the one in four statistic its merit(Not saying it's incoorect though). Or they took this poll in a trailer park...... in Alabama..... during Nascar week.
Or, y'know, maybe the people around you don't talk about it because of the immense stigma of being a rape victim. Especially if your were raped by someone you know.

-- Alex
 

pantsoffdanceoff

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You know that in those statistic of rape they count rape as A) Anyone who has had sex while drunk and B) Anyone who refused sex at first but then okayed it? So 1/4 is damn surprising for it being so low.
 

Zer_

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Well the game in question apparently has the main character (the rapist) die in the end. Really there is no good ending for the Rapist. Despite being an open-ended game, there are two possible negative outcomes to the game. In the "Black ending" the main character impregnates one of the girls and decides to keep the child. The result is having the main character thrown onto the train tracks after a certain number of days afterwards. In the "Red ending" just before breaking Aoi, the character under cowgirl position will shift onto a scene, where Aoi would take a knife and stab the character many times. The scene will shift into black, where a voiceover of Aoi can be heard. I have to admit that such a game is rather tasteless but I don't see banning it as a solution. All that happens is that these games just go underground and are all that much harder to control.

The game in itself poses absolutely no threat to society in general. If someone is going to be triggered by this game to go out and assault a woman, then the man was already unstable to begin with. There are WW2 games out there, and our grandfathers were also permanently scarred by the experiences they had. My grandfather was open enough with what he experienced in the war but I know a few people who would never speak of what happened during the war to anyone. After looking at this objectively I have come to the conclusion that banning rape games in general is a bad idea. It would be the first step of many where more games will end up being banned.

Considering the type of crimes that are accepted in other forms of media (yeah there are movies about rapists and child pornography and some of them are praised for tackling such heinous topics). One could argue that Rape games protagonise a rapist, but in reality it doesn't. You are simply looking at something through his eyes.
 

Ultrajoe

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Sewblon said:
Men who rape other men are not straight, they may be bisexual, but they are not straight.
Rape isn't about sexuality, it's about power. Men who rape other men in prison do it not out of attraction but out of a desire to advance up the pecking order. It's an expression of dominance, which is why it's such an unforgivable thing to do to a person.

Sewblon said:
"If it is your wife or girlfriend, every time you have sex, the rapist is in bed with you, it may only be for a second or two but he is their." I do not understand that, you need to explain that to me.
Rape victims do not 'get over' their experience. It haunts them, taints every subsequent sexual encounter, it means that no matter how far she's come she can't shake the effect it has on her. So whenever you make love to that woman, the rapist is in the bed there, somewhere, even for an instant.
 

Delicious

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There is nothing of value in a rape game. When something exists for the sake of itself, or in this case a game involving rape for the sake of involving rape, it should not be allowed to exist.