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holy_secret

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Hey you guys.

Once again, I have a way to serious question to ask of you.

To make things as short as possible, I've met a girl. It's difficult to be around her (for people who know my past will understand why), but I still try it.
We've been getting closer and closer.
No, that's not the point.

Last Friday, she was raped by her neighbor.
She refuses to go to the police, afraid of retaliation from him. I tried to convince her to do so, but she won't budge. It is pissing me off, because this gives him the signal that it's okay to violate another human being like that.

What should I do? Any suggestions? I truly don't know how to handle this or what to do or how to act. I just want her to be better.
 

holy_secret

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Kukulski said:
1. I may be wrong but with only 218 posts you are hardly recognizeable and threads in this subforum don't get many views, so you might as well say what your past is.
2. I'm sorry to hear that. The bastard should pay, but it is ultimately her decision what to do with this and you should respect it. That's the official version. The unofficial is that if I were you and I cared for this girl and trusted her I'd beat the living shit out of this guy. And I don't mean punch him a few times, I mean making him feel this beatdown every step he takes and breath he makes for the rest of his life. I'd bring a friend or something heavy if the guy was bigger. He would know damn well that if he called the police the only possible motif I could have was his crime and he wouldn't benefit in any way from me being in jail so he most likely woulnd't.
I'm not by any means encouraging you to commit crime. That's just something I would do, because I have poor self-control.
1: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/538.266196-The-end-of-the-road Have a blast mate. Dryga fanskap.
2: This thought has crossed my mind. Fortunately, I am currently forced to restrain myself, or else I'd go on a rampage of stupidity (due to all of my personal stuff I am currently holding back). I can't beat him, because I would not be able to stop.

Respecting her decision is... I don't know. It just pisses me off. Gah.
 

Zantos

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Maybe she should see a counsellor about it. In a lot of sexual abuse cases the victim doesn't want to tell the police because they're ashamed or embarrased or even think it's they're fault. Seeking professional, confidential help can help them to realise that reporting it is the best thing to do for them and everyone else. Worked for some friends I know that suffered at the hands of another like that.
 

Erana

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I don't think I could restrain myself if someone were to rape my loved one.

Still, rape often causes the victim to feel deeply shamed. Whether or not you can punish the guy, the very best thing you can do for her right now is to make it clear that she is not wrong, bad or dirty. She was violated, but be sure to hammer into her head (gently) that this has not destroyed who she is.
Victims of rape need love and support.

Oh, and if anyone tries to insenuate that its in some way her fault, give 'em hell for it. (Preferably in verbal reprimand form) Especially if its someone like her parents. Being told rape is your fault can be worse than the rape itself.
 

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Firstly, you can't go to the police for her. The chances are they won't even listen to you unless she goes to them herself, because they have no chance of any conviction without her testimony.

Secondly, even if you could get her to go the chances of securing a conviction have pretty much passed short of a confession. Rape cases are virtually impossible to successfully prosecute, it's fucking shit but you've just run up against one of the most disgusting injustices of our society. There's virtually nothing which could be done to secure a prosecution here. Even if she was injured during the act, it doesn't matter. All his lawyers would have to do is argue that it was consensual but rough, reasonable doubt, end of case.

So yeah.. if she pressed charges she would have to give a statement to the police, she'd have to sit in court opposite guy, and in all likelihood he'd walk away scot free. If she doesn't think that's worth it, then you have to listen to her. Sure, it might work out in this case, maybe he'd confess or plead guilty. But if he doesn't you need to accept that there's very little chance the police can do anything about it.

By contrast, if you went over and beat him up he could walk into a hospital, get the wounds photographed and have you up on assault charges within a few days.

Fucking disgusting right? Now you see why I get so angry on this forum whenever anyone talks about feminazis or how oppressed men are by the law.

The important thing right now is getting her well away from that person so that it won't happen again and so that she doesn't have to look at him. I don't know what arrangement she's living in, but she needs to move out if at all possible. She cannot continue living next door to her rapist, the stress will be unbearable.

She will likely come to terms with this over a very long time. In every case where someone I know has been raped, they totally repressed it at first and refused to admit that it was even significant. It's probably something which will rear its head again and again over a long time, and you need to be ready to deal with that and be supportive when it happens.

I know the injustice hurts, but it's not going to be fixed so you need to give it up. The important thing is that she is safe and that you look after her well. Once she is safe, then maybe go and have a talk with this guy - by which I mean a talk. If he attacks you, well than you can charge with him assault. If he doesn't, you can threaten and verbally abuse him all you want because he's probably not going to go to the police. I don't know why I'm recommending even that, it's stupid, but I feel your pain and I'm sick of people getting away with it so let's just say I wouldn't be too upset if you were to tell this guy exactly what you thought of him.

Just remember your priorities.
 

SilentCom

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This is serious, you can't just let it go. The guy who raped her needs to come to justice. If she's too afraid to do anything about it then you should. Simply, you should notify the police.
 

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El Poncho said:
You should call the police?
That's pretty much it.

If she wont' call the police, you call them.
The police will catch the guy, arrest him and that will be that. If neither you or her do anything, he'll do it again to either her or someone else.
You have to call the police before something like that happens again and if she won't do it herself out of fear, you have to.
 

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Something I feel like I should add to my post.

There's no harm in talking to the police yourself. They may be able to give you some advice or help. Just fully expect them to say there's nothing they can do unless she comes to them herself. If you can get her to talk to them, they will probably try and persuade her to press charges. That choice is hers, and she really needs to think about it because it means committing to a lot of things. For the record, I think she should talk to the police. I'm not so sure pressing charges is worth it, but it will mean the crime is reported and will make it much easier for her if he tries anything else.

If she did press charges, her rapist wouldn't be immediately informed. What would likely happen is that your friend would need to have a recorded police interview, and assuming you could get her to agree to this earlier rather than later she may be forwarded to a hospital for a physical examination. There's no denying that it wouldn't be a pleasant experience for her.

If the police felt that there was sufficient evidence to prosecute, the accused would then be contacted. From that point on, any attempt by him to make contact with your friend in any way would be breaking the law. He comes anywhere near her, she's perfectly within her rights to call the police. This would be explained to him at the time, and he'd know it as well as she would. On this level, pressing charges might actually make her safer, as it means that if he does try anything else then it's much, much easier to call in the police immediately and have them do something about it.

Assuming he pleaded innocent to the charges, the case would go to court. I'm not going to lie, rape trials are absolutely gruelling. They are unbelievably difficult for the victim. Depending on the precise legislation in your country, there might be some way that your friend could testify by video or wouldn't have to actually look her rapist in the eye while she's testifying. But she'd still have to give a comprehensive description of everything that happened to the court, and be cross examined - the latter in particular is quite unpleasant, they will probably ask very specific question about she reacted at particular points in the incident and so forth.

Assuming this is a first offence and this guy has never been called up on it before, I don't want to overstate the chances of conviction. They're very small. As mentioned, it's very easy to sow reasonable doubt in a rape case. It might be, however, that the court will be able to impose something like a restraining order, so on that level it might still be worth it. But it's a long and gruelling experience and both of you need to be prepared to come out of the end without a conviction, because it's probably not going to happen.

Depending on the guy though, it might be enough. You haven't said much about the specifics of the case, but most people who commit rape don't even fully realize that's what they're doing. Being taken to court for it might actually make him think. Heck, he might even confess to the charges.

On a similar note. If you can get anything beyond a verbal testimony from him. Written letter, sound recording, videotape etc in which he acknowledges the incident as rape then the chances of conviction go right up. The only case I'm aware of in which a person I know secured a conviction happened because the guy wrote a letter apologizing. Without that, he'd have won the case.
 

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Go Law Abiding Citizen on his ass.

No, not really, though I do sometimes wish I could get away with that kind of thing for pukes like him. The best thing right now is to be there for her and suggest she get some victim counseling or something and deal with this instead of just trying to bury it. Also, realize that she may push you away in this time of grief.

I'm sure there is something you can do as far as letting everyone know what he did and getting him ostracized from the community, but I'm not sure how slander and libel laws would play in this.

Maybe you could try confronting him about it and wear a wire in case he says anything incriminating? I dunno, throwing ideas out there.
 

TheStatutoryApe

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Listen to Zantos and EvilCat. You can not personally report him. That's hearsay. If you talk to the cops though they may be able to refer you to some counselors. The cops also typically do not like feeling as though their hands are tied and may see what they can do regardless. If she talks to a counselor the counselor may be able to convince her to talk to the police. Regardless of how likely they will be able to actually get charges brought against this guy she will hopefully be safer if a report against him is on file. If he tries anything again and she only then says that he raped her previously that will likely only go against her.

So try to get her to talk to the cops by trying to convince her it will be insurance against him doing anything further. And if nothing else get her to see a counselor who will hopefully try to get her to report this.
 

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Yea, I'd say ring up the cops yourself. She might get pissed at you for doing so, but something like rape just can't fly. If someone has the fucking gall to do that to another person, they can't go unpunished.
 

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i wouldnt call the police, it's her decision to, she might not want anyone to find out just yet, i would personally follow the guy when hes out, wait for him to be alone and beat him, making sure to wear a balaclava, gloves and shoes with no traceable footprints.

just as you are leaving, say "you know why this happened"

that would be badass

maybe bring a few friends for good measure
 

holy_secret

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I just finished calling the police.

I told them what she'd told me. I asked them if they could call her themselves and ask her about this. They told me that it would be very difficult to get something out of her if she's refusing to go to the police herself, maybe even pushing her further back. God that was a stupid suggestion...

They told me to just keep pushing her to file an official report, and that I should go with her to the police station when she does this.

I know it sounds incredibly selfish, but I don't know what to do with myself. This is driving me crazy. Can't stop thinking of it.
 

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As someone who has been raped, I kind of understand what she might be going through. Hell, I didn't go to the cops when it happened, and I have hardly told ANYONE apart from a few close friends.

My circumstances are probably much different though, I was 5 or 6, the guy was 20-something, and back then I didn't even know what happened. Plus I don't even know who the guy was... But looking back, If I could somehow get the guy to burn, I would.

Anyways, rant and personal history aside; I think you should continue trying to convince her to go to the police. Also, even if they do catch the bastard... He's done his damage. Catching him probably won't fix anything that may have snapped in her mind.

I know I will STILL knock out anyone who comes up behind me and grabs me without saying something first. Tapping my shoulder and poking me I can deal with, if I feel a full hand(again, from behind) on me though, I flip out and attack (and this is 15-16 years after the fact). Also, since I;m a guy, and was raped by a guy, I don't take too kindly to getting hit on by guys(jokingly or otherwise) So keep that in mind too...
 

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I would...and the only thing you can do at this point is be there for her, and encourage her to talk to the police. It's really important that she do this sooner than later. And how exactly did this happen? You don't have to go into specifics, but is she safe now? I mean, this guy is her neighbor right?
 

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El Poncho said:
You should call the police?
This. Call the police, and after you do tell (AFTER.) her exactly why you did so, even if its a repetition of something earlier stated. This violation of her body needs to be brought to light, and that scumbag needs to be brought to justice. If she really is afraid, suggest to her that she stays at your house for a while, until the man is arrested or whatever.