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Ever randomly started over thinking something because of a song/quote/book/interesting flower arrangement? Well what better place to share that experience with the world then the escapist?!
 

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I was looking out the window and was thinking if flowers and plants had souls...

Now, I'm not a botanist, so I don't know shit about plants. Just to get that clear...

I thought that trees and flowers works like hair - they don't need souls. They grow on their own from a source down below...
Which might too have souls though. So it proves and disproves my unbiased theory.

As of today, I've still yet to reach a conclusion.
 

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Cobbs said:
Ever randomly started over thinking something because of a song/quote/book/interesting flower arrangement? Well what better place to share that experience with the world then the escapist?!
But... if you start thinking of something because you read/saw/experienced something that reminded you of it... it aint fucken "random" now is it!?

Cause (reading about A) -> Effect (thinking about B). Not exactly random if there's a natural connection A-B.
 

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I only have completely random thoughts when I go to bed drunk which happens less than once a year. I do find stuff "that makes you think" sometimes but it's usually related and not very random at all. I also have a pretty good understanding of nature so it's mostly what people do or say, that makes me think. And I usually think that they are stupid, haha.
 

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Zeeky_Santos said:
Guest_Star said:
Cobbs said:
Ever randomly started over thinking something because of a song/quote/book/interesting flower arrangement? Well what better place to share that experience with the world then the escapist?!
But... if you start thinking of something because you read/saw/experienced something that reminded you of it... it aint fucken "random" now is it!?

Cause (reading about A) -> Effect (thinking about B). Not exactly random if there's a natural connection A-B.
The universe is dictated by the laws of probability and chance. These things happen randomly all the time, there was nothing to cause these random inklings and therefore they are indeed random, Not everything is cause and effect.
Tisn't the point. Maybe it was randomly correlated through magical forces
 

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I wonder about dinosaurs quite a bit. Things like:
1. Did dinosaurs ever become friends with each other?
2. Were any dinosaurs that were normally carnivores become herbivores?
3. What do they look like in suits?
 

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iLikeHippos said:
I was looking out the window and was thinking if flowers and plants had souls...

Now, I'm not a botanist, so I don't know shit about plants. Just to get that clear...

I thought that trees and flowers works like hair - they don't need souls. They grow on their own from a source down below...
Which might too have souls though. So it proves and disproves my unbiased theory.

As of today, I've still yet to reach a conclusion.
There's no such thing as a soul.

Problem solved...

I don't mean to sound dismissive, but it's an easy answer. Plants exist as simple biological mechanisms. Their individual cells go through a series of actions meant to propagate it, and when it dies, it's dead. There's nothing more ephemeral about them, or about anything else.
 

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Dango said:
I wonder about dinosaurs quite a bit. Things like:
1. Did dinosaurs ever become friends with each other?
2. Were any dinosaurs that were normally carnivores become herbivores?
3. What do they look like in suits?
Dammit, now I can't stop imagining a T-Rex in a penguin suit top and a bowtie with a top hat and a monocle and a cane in one of its silly little arms. So basically a T-Rex Monopoly guy.
But with no pants.
 

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Dango said:
I wonder about dinosaurs quite a bit. Things like:
1. Did dinosaurs ever become friends with each other?
2. Were any dinosaurs that were normally carnivores become herbivores?
3. What do they look like in suits?
Every time I watched the Land Before Time, I'd think about this. Did they really hang around together and sing? I was totally crushed when I figured out that they probably didn't. Destroyed my childhood.
 

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Betancore said:
Every time I watched the Land Before Time, I'd think about this. Did they really hang around together and sing? I was totally crushed when I figured out that they probably didn't. Destroyed my childhood.
They may have done! We'll just never know. Perhaps our image of dinosaurs is incorrect, and they actually had a very peaceful and advanced society. Which, unfortunately, was entirely water-soluble, and was destroyed by rain. This is why we have no records of the grand concerts they used to hold.
 

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SonicWaffle said:
They may have done! We'll just never know. Perhaps our image of dinosaurs is incorrect, and they actually had a very peaceful and advanced society. Which, unfortunately, was entirely water-soluble, and was destroyed by rain. This is why we have no records of the grand concerts they used to hold.
I wonder what kind of music they'd listen to? I bet if I looked for it, I'd find a genre called 'dinosaur rock.' Live dinosaur rock concerts. I wish I was alive back then. Only, I'd probably wish otherwise if I really was.
 

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After watching Men In Black for the first time, it got me thinking about the universe.

I was just 8 years old and already I was having out of body experiences.
 

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Seldon2639 said:
iLikeHippos said:
I was looking out the window and was thinking if flowers and plants had souls...

Now, I'm not a botanist, so I don't know shit about plants. Just to get that clear...

I thought that trees and flowers works like hair - they don't need souls. They grow on their own from a source down below...
Which might too have souls though. So it proves and disproves my unbiased theory.

As of today, I've still yet to reach a conclusion.
There's no such thing as a soul.

Problem solved...

I don't mean to sound dismissive, but it's an easy answer. Plants exist as simple biological mechanisms. Their individual cells go through a series of actions meant to propagate it, and when it dies, it's dead. There's nothing more ephemeral about them, or about anything else.
Unlike that flawed unproven theory, there's a fact out there that states that even if you burn down a tree, and weight the fire, smoke, ash and anything that is left of it, will be the EXACT weight of the tree in its former.

What does it mean? It means that nothing truly disappears. And the possibility of a soul is extremely high thusly.

Again, nothing disappears. Even if you die, get eaten by worms and your bones turns to dust, just weight all the material. It'd be the same weight from the time of death.

Wish I could find a link about it though... Internet's a ***** at times.
 

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iLikeHippos said:
Unlike that flawed unproven theory, there's a fact out there that states that even if you burn down a tree, and weight the fire, smoke, ash and anything that is left of it, will be the EXACT weight of the tree in its former.

What does it mean? It means that nothing truly disappears. And the possibility of a soul is extremely high thusly.

Again, nothing disappears. Even if you die, get eaten by worms and your bones turns to dust, just weight all the material. It'd be the same weight from the time of death.
First - this isn't true unless you count transient matter in the body at the time of death as a part of the body. Water, nutrients, bacterial flora etc...
Even something as simple as a flower; cut it down, dry it... the weight will be noticable less. Is the water part of the flower? Unless you are a homeopath, the water leaving the flower are virtually unchanged from entering.

Second - even if you can argue every atom present in a given body is a part of that body, it's hardly a revelation that the number of atoms stay the same. Given the whole "conservation of mass" issue and such.

*edit*
btw, if you weigh the smoke from your tree-burning session, the tree would most likely seem to gain weight since the burning process will use oxygene from the air -> C0[sub]2[/sub].
 

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Cheveyo said:
LustFull0ne said:
After watching Men In Black for the first time, it got me thinking about the universe.

I was just 8 years old and already I was having out of body experiences.
No, that's just called being schizophrenic.
Hmmmm......................that does explain a lot.

*shrugs*

Oh well.
 

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iLikeHippos said:
Unlike that flawed unproven theory, there's a fact out there that states that even if you burn down a tree, and weight the fire, smoke, ash and anything that is left of it, will be the EXACT weight of the tree in its former.

What does it mean? It means that nothing truly disappears. And the possibility of a soul is extremely high thusly.

Again, nothing disappears. Even if you die, get eaten by worms and your bones turns to dust, just weight all the material. It'd be the same weight from the time of death.

Wish I could find a link about it though... Internet's a ***** at times.
It's the law of the conservation of mass, and you're right about the physical reality. No molecules, no atoms, are created nor destroyed (excluding nuclear fission or fusion, which turns the mass into energy per E=MC^2), only changed. But, so what? Does the fact that each of us has some molecules in us which also existed in the time of the dinosaurs (or, in fact, were dinosaurs) mean we have a soul? Not really.

The being I am is the amalgamation of cells in the particular arrangement that exists in me. The molecules that make me up will never again exist in the exact formation which makes me, and when I die and they dissipate into the world, there's literally nothing left of me qua me.

You're right about physical law, but wrong about the implications.