Reddit Bans Subreddits about Making Fun of Fat People, Neogaf, and others.

[Scars Unseen]

What, effective forum moderation on Reddit?

Well that's neat. They should probably get to the bans on people being idiots with the swastika flags on r/all next.

Not that they're breaking rules, per se, but because nothing of value would be lost.

Every subreddit is separately moderated, and most subreddits worth going to are already effectively moderated.

 

[The Lunatic]

Shit Reddit Says is basically an "SJW" hub, quoting other redditors' bigoted posts. Nowadays it's not very frequented, so it's mostly referenced as a boogeyman/synonym-of-SJWs-in-general, like tumblr.

That's being more than a little generous.

That's like describing FPH as "A subreddit in which formerly fat people discuss their disdain for previous lives and encourage others to lose weight by giving examples of what to avoid".

 

[BloatedGuppy]

That's being more than a little generous.

That's like describing FPH as "A subreddit in which formerly fat people discuss their disdain for previous lives and encourage others to lose weight by giving examples of what to avoid".

How it "generous"? It was descriptive. He didn't make a value judgment on it one way or the other.

Good lord Scars Unseen, your fucking avatar is going to give me a seizure.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

...kotakuinaction...on the right.

Wat?

This is news to me.

Unless we're talking relative to an extreme or something, in which case...hokay?

 

[The Lunatic]

How it "generous"? It was descriptive. He didn't make a value judgment on it one way or the other.

And everything I said is true and descriptive of what went on in FPH. People did use it as an inspiration to lose weight.

I'm just saying ignoring all the harassment and and general "Toxicity" of SRS is like ignoring all the fat people hate of FPH.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

And everything I said is true and descriptive of what went on in FPH. People did use it as an inspiration to lose weight.

I'm just saying ignoring all the harassment and and general "Toxicity" of SRS is like ignoring all the fat people hate of FPH.

Toxicity is a subjective term. A fair description of FPH would be "A reddit where people make fun of/shame fat people". This allows people to decide for themselves how "toxic" they find it. You clearly dislike SRS, so you're unhappy with a neutral descriptive sentence that doesn't essentially state "Here Be Monsters".

And for the record, today is the first time I ever heard of SRS. I've never been. It's not my waifu or anything.

And for the EXTRA record, if we're being completely honest, I only really replied to you so I could sneak in a jab at Scars for his headache-inducing avatar.

 

[Longing]

Redditors are such whiny little babies. I cannot for the life of me understand the kind of people who would spend all of their days relentlessly mocking others. What sad, sad little people.

Wow... I was never really familiar with Reddit, and now I thank God for that.

Just so you know, Reddit isn't some unified community. There are subreddits like the ones mentioned in this thread, and yeah, they're pretty fucking awful(but then there's subreddits that spoof them like /r/farpeoplehate [http://www.reddit.com/r/farpeoplehate/]). And there are political and activist related subreddits that are pretty much giant echo chambers.

But then there are topic-focused subreddits. And those are some of the best places to discuss a specific topic to be found. They can be broad, like /r/anime/ [http://www.reddit.com/r/anime/] or /r/visualnovels/ [http://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/], or you can get more specific, such as /r/projecteternity/ [http://www.reddit.com/r/projecteternity/] or /r/xkcd/ [http://www.reddit.com/r/xkcd/]. Want to learn how to draw? /r/artfundamentals/ [http://www.reddit.com/r/ArtFundamentals/] wouldn't be a bad place to start. Or try /r/learnjapanese/ [http://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/] to start learning a new language(if the language you want to learn happens to be Japanese). Maybe you feel like listening to music and want to try something new. /r/listentothis/ [http://www.reddit.com/r/listentothis/] has you covered.

Reddit definitely has its dark and grungy side, but overall, it's the best place I've found for discussing most of the topics I'm interested in, including gaming.

#notallredditors

I'm aware of how reddit works thank you, but it's kinda hard to see the good side when the whole front page is people being mad that their favorite subreddit got banned.

#bullshitargument

Who even looks at the front page? Apparently some assholes, which is a good reason for me to continue not going to the front page. As I said, Reddit is not a single community, and you trying to pigeonhole all of us into one only speaks badly for your argument, not the communities I'm part of, all of which are happily doing their own thing and paying this whole kerfuffle no mind at all(well, except /r/xkcd/, but given the nature of the webcomic, it'd be weird for them not to talk about it). You may as well expand your invective to include all internet users regardless of website if you're fine with that level of accuracy.

Want to talk bad about /r/fatpeoplehate/? Go ahead. It was a stupid subreddit. There are a lot of stupid subreddits. But then, there are a lot of subreddits, so it's kind of inevitable that some would be pretty shit. But claiming that you know how Reddit works and then immediately demonstrating that you either really don't or simply don't give a shit about insulting entire swaths of the internet who have nothing to do with what you're complaining about doesn't exactly make what you're saying any better than what they're saying.

It was an overstatement, not an accurate representation of reddit. I am myself on many subreddits that I enjoy and that does not stop me from saying a moderate portion of redditors are awful people or irritating trolls, especially on popular subreddits. And an awful lot of subreddits are complete cesspools. If you don't feel concerned then by all mean let it roll off your back. Jesus.

I'm sorry, some redditors are whiny little babies. Does that make you happier?

 

[The Lunatic]

Toxicity is a subjective term. A fair description of FPH would be "A reddit where people make fun of/shame fat people". This allows people to decide for themselves how "toxic" they find it. You clearly dislike SRS, so you're unhappy with a neutral descriptive sentence that doesn't essentially state "Here Be Monsters".

And for the record, today is the first time I ever heard of SRS. I've never been. It's not my waifu or anything.

And for the EXTRA record, if we're being completely honest, I only really replied to you so I could sneak in a jab at Scars for his headache-inducing avatar.

Well, amusingly, the reason I bring up "Toxicity" is because, there's actually been a study into it.

http://idibon.com/toxicity-in-reddit-communities-a-journey-to-the-darkest-depths-of-the-interwebs/

A Data Scientist did a study on Reddit, and SRS was actually "The most toxic subreddit".

So, I mean, technically, saying SRS is "A place in which people comment on other reddit posts and was found to be the most toxic place on the site by a data scientist" would be objectively correct.


It just seems a bit wrong to not acknowledge that kind of thing.

For the record, I think Scar's avatar is lovely, and will fight you to the death in defence of it.

 

[runic knight]

Because lets be honest, without the people that are currently being pissed off right now, reddit itself would never have been worth a damn.

Yes, without the sterling denizens of r/fatpeoplehate or Neofag at its heart, reddit would never have been worth a damn.

Yeah, funny that it is a hell of a lot more then those small parts currently pissed at the sudden shift in things and that the whole of people pissed off was who I was referring to. Sure, it makes it a little harder to try to reduce to such simple terms to mock, but considering the entire front page seems to demonstrate that a sizable portion, not just people from those shitty reddit groups, are pissed at the way things were handled.

 

[Alterego-X]

...kotakuinaction...on the right.

Wat?

This is news to me.

Unless we're talking relative to an extreme or something, in which case...hokay?

I mean it in the sense of "Right now they just brigaded the Planetside2 sub for days, for the crime of banning a user who made a transphobic comment about another poster".

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Yeah, funny that it is a hell of a lot more then those small parts pissed at the sudden shift in things and that the whole of people pissed off was who I was referring to. Sure, it makes it a little harder to try to reduce to such simple terms to mock, but considering the entire front page seems to demonstrate that a sizable portion, not just people from those shitty reddit groups, are pissed at the way things were handled.

What about the people who aren't pissed off? Who seem rather populous themselves? Would Reddit have been worth a damn with them? Yes or no?

The argument isn't about whether or not a large number of people are pissed off. It's the uh...how to put this...puffery...of suggesting that only the people who share your outlook make a given place "worth a damn".

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I mean it in the sense of "Right now they just brigaded the Planetside2 sub for days, for the crime of banning a user who made a transphobic comment about another poster".

Can someone explain brigading vs harassment to me? There was a distinction between the two but I never got around to actually reading it.

 

[Supernova1138]

...kotakuinaction...on the right.

Wat?

This is news to me.

Unless we're talking relative to an extreme or something, in which case...hokay?

I think people are increasingly defining the left as consisting solely of third wave feminists and LGBTQIAOMGWTFBBQ+ activists, and the right is basically everyone else. Given how an increasingly large amount of what we hear from the left on the Internet is incessant nagging and hand wringing from the aforementioned groups about how everything is sexist, racist, transmisogynist or whatever other -ism or -ist they can pin on something, it's getting hard to blame people for having that view. It certainly doesn't help when those far left groups defines any position to the right of them as neo-reactionary or right wing and viciously attack anyone who isn't progressive enough for their tastes. It's probably not helping that in the United States they are pretty set in their economically conservative ways on both sides of the political spectrum, so the only things to left to fight about are social issues.

 

[The Lunatic]

Can someone explain brigading vs harassment to me? There was a distinction between the two but I never got around to actually reading it.

Brigading is a weird reddit rule.

Essentially, what is means is, if I post a link to a person's post in another subreddit, the users of the subreddit I posted it to aren't allowed to upvote or downvote the post in question, as in doing so they are "Brigading".

It's basically there to protect against groups silencing other groups via "Downvoting" all their posts.

However, it's not really applied in any even manner.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Brigading is a weird reddit rule.

Essentially, what is means is, if I post a link to a person's post in another subreddit, the users of the subreddit I posted it to aren't allowed to upvote or downvote the post in question, as in doing so they are "Brigading".

It's basically there to protect against groups silencing other groups via "Downvoting" all their posts.

However, it's not really applied in any even manner.

Thank you sir. You are a scholar and a gentleman.

Well, you're a scholar at least. =D

 

[runic knight]

Yeah, funny that it is a hell of a lot more then those small parts pissed at the sudden shift in things and that the whole of people pissed off was who I was referring to. Sure, it makes it a little harder to try to reduce to such simple terms to mock, but considering the entire front page seems to demonstrate that a sizable portion, not just people from those shitty reddit groups, are pissed at the way things were handled.

What about the people who aren't pissed off? Who seem rather populous themselves? Would Reddit have been worth a damn with them? Yes or no?

The argument isn't about whether or not a large number of people are pissed off. It's the uh...how to put this...puffery...of suggesting that only the people who share your outlook make a given place "worth a damn".

My point was that the idea that people pissed off at sudden changes in behaviors in a site they participated in and helped build up should just leave it and go elsewhere was an ignorant argument. Much like the sort of backwards redneck nationalist stereotype often played for laughs telling someone to "love it or leave it", it reeks of an entitlement to push the change they want, but demand others merely accept it.

The people pissed currently, a sizable enough portion to overrun the front page and all that, likely contains a good portion of the people who were with the site n the early days promoting it and helping it actually become relevant on the internet. Despite your disingenuous presentation and worthless snark that the subreddditers immediately effected were the ones I was talking about exclusively, or that because they are pissed about what happened to people who are quite frankly assholes somehow is relevant, the full compliment of people pissed should not be simply be expected to just leave and find a new site if they put the time and effort helping built this one up, which was the point I was calling out before.

It isn't that they are the only ones who are worth a damn, it is that they were part of the ones who helped make the site worth a damn, so they should naturally have a right to protest the shift in management without simply being told to "love it or leave it" as though those currently happy are the only ones who's opinion is worth a damn.

 

[Alterego-X]

Can someone explain brigading vs harassment to me? There was a distinction between the two but I never got around to actually reading it.

what the lunatic said.

In this reference's context, brigading also means mass posting from other sub's members, and upvoting eac other's posts, so the whole planetside 2 sub got overloaded with Kotakuinaction threads about how outrageous the mods are, and how funny and cool it is to call transvestites and trannssexuals "traps", instead of planetside 2 discussion.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Despite your disingenuous presentation and worthless snark

Damn, Runic. You get particularly salty when people disagree with you, don't you? Settle down.

It isn't that they are the only ones who are worth a damn

Well then don't imply it!

so they should naturally have a right to protest the shift in management without simply being told to "love it or leave it" as though those currently happy are the only ones who's opinion is worth a damn.

They have every right to protest, and other people have every right to utter meaningless platitudes at them in reply. Everyone is well within their rights. Opinions vary on who is being the most ridiculous, as usual.

What the lunatic said.

In this reference's context, brigading also means mass posting from other sub's members, and upvoting their own posts

You're too late! The Lunatic scooped you! He is my new lead reporter.

 

[vallorn]

What, effective forum moderation on Reddit?

Well that's neat. They should probably get to the bans on people being idiots with the swastika flags on r/all next.

Not that they're breaking rules, per se, but because nothing of value would be lost.

Uhh... Banning people who have broken no rules? Isn't that kind of... Wrong? Or at the very least, something that can hurt a lot of people if it becomes a precedent.

But they didn't even remove the shitheads, they just repo'd their apartment in a way that the lease never said they could. Now these shitheads are hanging around and sleeping the couches of other people's houses.
At least when they were dealing weed before it was in their own little zone. Now they've been hauled out in a way that nobody knew was allowed to happen before, and many other subs are afraid they'll be next. Going so far as to set up a new apartment in that place Voat.co across the street.

If I were a homeowner, then kicking out the shitheads and letting them ruin other people's houses, like Voat.co across the street, would be the PERFECT result.

They don't have to really censor assholes away from the Internet, just from reddit.

Let all the scum gather elsewhere, and leave reddit for normal people who have no fear of getting banned for harrassment.

That's really just a "If you did nothing wrong you have nothing to fear" attitude which tends to be an excuse for totalitarianism.

In other news. Defending free speech when someone says something you disagree with is easy. When someone says something you disagree with it becomes harder. When someone says something that you hate, defending free speech becomes very difficult.

However, Free speech is only free when people can say all of these things without fear of reprisals from on high. If you decide that "This kind of speech isn't allowed" then you cannot logically be for free speech. You are for speech that falls within categories that you believe are worthy rather than free speech for all.

 

[The Lunatic]

what the lunatic said.

In this reference's context, brigading also means mass posting from other sub's members, and upvoting eac other's posts, so the whole planetside 2 sub got overloaded with Kotakuinaction threads about how outrageous the mods are, and how funny and cool it is to call transvestites and trannssexuals "traps", instead of planetside 2 discussion.

Reddit is very strange when it comes to Brigading. It's not even an official rule.

In fact, the rules even state that it's acceptable to "Share Reddit Links with your friends".

However, if you're caught doing it, you'll be shadow banned, and now we're seeing that some subreddits that get caught doing it are getting deleted entirely.

So, yeah, it's an odd thing.