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viranimus

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In Summary, Ref charges player with foul, player retaliates with fist. It was super effective. Ref is now in a coma.

Source: WLNE ABC6.com

One has to wonder if you can even put all the blame on the player. If they ref had not been so blind he would not have made the bad call to invoke the ire of the player and even if it was a legitimate call he would have seen the punch coming to avoid it. >;)

DV:
1: Is the nature of sport too predisposed to violence that it far too often results in violent outburst
2: Why is soccer/fütbol so predisposed to violent reaction despite being a reasonably unviolent sport -un- like Boxing, Hockey, Football, etc.
3: With so many cases of sport related violence to chose from how do the arguments of "Video games cause violence" continue to pop up?

Edit: Alter thread title to correct error
 

Kopikatsu

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1. It's human nature. Humans are naturally violent, hence the countless years of wars and torture and everything else.

2. Human nature.

3. The two are unrelated. Also, human nature.
 

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viranimus said:
Supposedly untrustable search bar approved.
In Summary, Ref charges player with foul, player retaliates with fist. It was super effective. Ref is now in a coma.

Source: WLNE ABC6.com

One has to wonder if you can even put all the blame on the player. If they ref had not been so blind he would not have made the bad call to invoke the ire of the player and even if it was a legitimate call he would have seen the punch coming to avoid it. >;)

DV:
1: Is the nature of sport too predisposed to violence that it far too often results in violent outburst
2: Why is soccer/fütbol so predisposed to violent reaction despite being a reasonably unviolent sport like Boxing, Hockey, Football, etc.
3: With so many cases of sport related violence to chose from how do the arguments of "Video games cause violence" continue to pop up?

Edit:
You included Hockey as a non-violent sport? or is this field hockey rather than Ice Hockey?
 

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Kopikatsu said:
1. It's human nature. Humans are naturally violent, hence the countless years of wars and torture and everything else.

2. Human nature.

3. The two are unrelated. Also, human nature.
Human nature, bullshit.

I enjoy sports occasionally, and when a bad call is made, I deal with it using WORDS.

I dont go around punching people.

The player is the violent asshole, not human beings.
 

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That's aweful, even with the upbeat Pokemon-esque summary.

While I will agree there seems to be a strong link between just life and violence, I don't like just saying "human nature" and being done with it. People aren't all violent.

1. Personally when I don't agree with a call in any aspect of life, I don't have to restrain myself because I don't even get angry. I will agree that sports tend to favour strong emotional response, but I firmly believe that it's nothing that couldn't be resolved by just thinking it through and learning how to relax. Like in most things, it's the parents' fault. People just don't care enough to teach their kids sportsmanship, and that's just because they apparently never learned it themselves. And I know, as a kid I've seen the verbal abuse refs get from parents and even a few fights break out up in the seats over games involving 10 year-old players.

2. I have no clue what the hell is wrong with soccer players. And I hate myself for saying that, because I hate having to think that all childish pro-athletes are soccer players, but from what I've seen, the terrible level of sportsmanship seen by some futbol players is unmatched by anything I've seen in any other sport, except basketball sometimes. I might be biased, I mean, I am Canadian and a hockey fan, but there's something so much more respectable in a hockey fight or a boxing match compared to the utterly confusing and childish behaviors seen by "professional" soccer players.

3. Because sports are an honorable and encourageable passtime that forcibly envolves other people and video games are not.

Anyway, my bottom line is don't hate the game hate the player.
 

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1. It's human nature. Amplified by the added adrenaline pumping with intense activity and the desire to win, it's not surprising tempters can flare. It seems that some people cannot keep their aggression in check though.

2. Some people just want an excuse to be violent it doesn't matter if its sports, race, religion, someone stole your parking space some people are just like that in all walks of life.

3. Because it makes good news stories, just like sports violence also makes good news stories. Though neither activity makes anyone more predisposed to violence than the person in question already was.
 

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Ed130 said:
viranimus said:
Supposedly untrustable search bar approved.
In Summary, Ref charges player with foul, player retaliates with fist. It was super effective. Ref is now in a coma.

Source: WLNE ABC6.com

One has to wonder if you can even put all the blame on the player. If they ref had not been so blind he would not have made the bad call to invoke the ire of the player and even if it was a legitimate call he would have seen the punch coming to avoid it. >;)

DV:
1: Is the nature of sport too predisposed to violence that it far too often results in violent outburst
2: Why is soccer/fütbol so predisposed to violent reaction despite being a reasonably unviolent sport like Boxing, Hockey, Football, etc.
3: With so many cases of sport related violence to chose from how do the arguments of "Video games cause violence" continue to pop up?

Edit:
You included Hockey as a non-violent sport? or is this field hockey rather than Ice Hockey?
I'm thinking he meant to say unlike but forgot the prefix. Notice that boxing and (American) football are both on the list too. In hockey fist fights aren't actually a part of the game, they're just not heavily discouraged because it keeps the ratings up. (American) football is full contact and pretty darned violent when you get down to it. Boxing is nothing /but/ fist fights.

OT: Well that's terrible. I've really got nothing here, it's just a terrible thing that happened. This is why gamer rage scares me, because it's like what happened here, minus the ability to actually carry through with any of the threats. Here we see one example of what can happen when these alpha male types don't keep their cool.
 

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Owyn_Merrilin said:
"-You included Hockey as a non-violent sport? or is this field hockey rather than Ice Hockey?-"

I'm thinking he meant to say unlike but forgot the prefix. Notice that boxing and (American) football are both on the list too. In hockey fist fights aren't actually a part of the game, they're just not heavily discouraged because it keeps the ratings up. (American) football is full contact and pretty darned violent when you get down to it. Boxing is nothing /but/ fist fights.
This assessment is correct. It was a typo on my part. I also had to edit the thread title as it was unintentionally inaccurate and misleading. Just not sure why it took hours for my edit to actually post.

As for the violence in hockey, even without fist fights it is a fairly violent sport in its own right with its aggressive defense, momentum, Throwing something fleshy to stand in the way of hard objects moving with great velocity and checking checking checking.
 

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viranimus said:
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In Summary, Ref charges player with foul, player retaliates with fist. It was super effective. Ref is now in a coma.

Source: WLNE ABC6.com

One has to wonder if you can even put all the blame on the player. If they ref had not been so blind he would not have made the bad call to invoke the ire of the player and even if it was a legitimate call he would have seen the punch coming to avoid it. >;)

DV:
1: Is the nature of sport too predisposed to violence that it far too often results in violent outburst
2: Why is soccer/fütbol so predisposed to violent reaction despite being a reasonably unviolent sport -un- like Boxing, Hockey, Football, etc.
3: With so many cases of sport related violence to chose from how do the arguments of "Video games cause violence" continue to pop up?

Edit: Alter thread title to correct error
refs are only human even if it was the wrong call to hit him is wrong.
this isn't the issue of the sport as a whole, it's an issue of a young man that is a bit unstable.
blood up or not the player should of shown more restraint.
 

Lokoloshe

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Things like this happen pretty regularly and it tends to end up with the player in question being banned for life from professional football. On the flip side it's also happened with refs going after players with a similar disciplinary sanction.


Apparently the player had insulted the referee's mother.

So to answer your question, it is human nature to feel rage and anger at certain things, the point is that everyone will respond differently to a given situation.
 

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Human nature. We've all murdered a ref or two, haven't we?

Well, TBH I haven't, and nobody I know has. But evidently I'm supposed to say "human nature" as if it perfectly explains everything.
 

Kopikatsu

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thaluikhain said:
Human nature. We've all murdered a ref or two, haven't we?

Well, TBH I haven't, and nobody I know has. But evidently I'm supposed to say "human nature" as if it perfectly explains everything.
OP asked why violent sports/outbursts happen, not why this particular person punched this particular ref.

And the answer is human nature. Humans are, by design, extremely violent. That's just a thing.
 
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viranimus said:
In Summary, Ref charges player with foul, player retaliates with fist. It was super effective. Ref is now in a coma.
Hah, your tone contrasts so much with the tone of the article, full of crying women praying that their father/husband doesn't die.

Captcha: out of toner

Huh.