[Relationship-topic] Do women take the initiative in starting a relationship?

[Ryleh]

Eeeerh, I kinda meant more like women you know rather than attractive strangers. If you don't know them well enough to start conversation then you probably don't know enough about them to make a move either.

"Hi there, you look bored. Have you seen the magic trick where you make a sausage disappear into your body?"

60% of the time, that works every time.

I think it's my new mission to try that line on dudes. I'll let you know how it goes.

 

[Caiphus]

I think it's my new mission to try the reverse version of that line on dudes. I'll let you know how it goes.

It worked on me and that's why I now have only one kidney.

I'm now deeply suspicious, I'd rather not lose both. What would I do then!?

 

[Ryleh]

I think it's my new mission to try the reverse version of that line on dudes. I'll let you know how it goes.

It worked on me and that's why I now have only one kidney.

I'm now deeply suspicious, I'd rather not lose both. What would I do then!?

Kidneys are for pussies.

 

[ShipofFools]

And when they've given you their all
Some stagger and fall
After all it's not easy
Banging your heart against some mad buggers wall.
-Roger Waters.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Sorry, but I have to play Devil's advocate here, and bear in mind that there is never a universal answer when it comes to women, relationships, etc., since everyone is different.

But everyone being different doesn't rule out a universal answer. All men have different penises but we're still able to say "men have penises" and to indicate the general shape and structure. We're able to give labels to beings called "men" and "women" and to describe to some extent what they look like and how they behave, even though no two are alike. I don't believe anyone's arrived at an appropriate description of human behavior or of the sexes that would come close to the accuracy of our current physical descriptions, but that just means we haven't reached it yet. We will soon enough.

Apples and oranges my friend. You're talking about physical characteristics, I'm talking about personality characteristics, and my point to the OP is that one can never, with 100% certainty, answer a question such as "do women like __________?" or "Do women want the guy to take the lead?" because, although one can notice general trends, you can never 100% say what all women (or men for that matter) want or like.

It'd be like meeting one girl who thinks tattoos are really sexy, and then declaring that all women think tattoos are sexy.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Sorry, but I have to play Devil's advocate here, and bear in mind that there is never a universal answer when it comes to women, relationships, etc., since everyone is different.

But everyone being different doesn't rule out a universal answer. All men have different penises but we're still able to say "men have penises" and to indicate the general shape and structure. We're able to give labels to beings called "men" and "women" and to describe to some extent what they look like and how they behave, even though no two are alike. I don't believe anyone's arrived at an appropriate description of human behavior or of the sexes that would come close to the accuracy of our current physical descriptions, but that just means we haven't reached it yet. We will soon enough.

Apples and oranges my friend. You're talking about physical characteristics, I'm talking about personality characteristics, and my point to the OP is that one can never, with 100% certainty, answer a question such as "do women like __________?" or "Do women want the guy to take the lead?" because, although one can notice general trends, you can never 100% say what all women (or men for that matter) want or like.

It'd be like meeting one girl who thinks tattoos are really sexy, and then declaring that all women think tattoos are sexy.

And you don't think physical characteristics determine personality? Why do you think the vast majority of women are attracted to men? That's a non-physical generalisation we can make, although not an absolute one: women are sexually attracted to men. It's not useless to make similar kinds of conclusions about women.

 

[Ushiromiya Battler]

1. As long as you like her I guess. There's no clear cut answer to it.

2a. Don't take the complete backseat, never a good idea.
Ask her out for dates, flirt a bit, but don't get overly romantic.
You don't want to pressure her and push her away, but you don't want to make her lose interest either.

2b. It's not a fairy-tale. Just like men, women do take initiative and just like men they can be shut down.

3. Well, I once had a girl break into a waterfall when I tried to initiate a relationship with her. Didn't really go well.
Anyways, probably a mild success, she cares for you and it may turn into something more or not. Whatever happens, don't go whining about being friendzoned if things goes a bit sour(for you).

 

[Ihateregistering1]

Sorry, but I have to play Devil's advocate here, and bear in mind that there is never a universal answer when it comes to women, relationships, etc., since everyone is different.

But everyone being different doesn't rule out a universal answer. All men have different penises but we're still able to say "men have penises" and to indicate the general shape and structure. We're able to give labels to beings called "men" and "women" and to describe to some extent what they look like and how they behave, even though no two are alike. I don't believe anyone's arrived at an appropriate description of human behavior or of the sexes that would come close to the accuracy of our current physical descriptions, but that just means we haven't reached it yet. We will soon enough.

Apples and oranges my friend. You're talking about physical characteristics, I'm talking about personality characteristics, and my point to the OP is that one can never, with 100% certainty, answer a question such as "do women like __________?" or "Do women want the guy to take the lead?" because, although one can notice general trends, you can never 100% say what all women (or men for that matter) want or like.

It'd be like meeting one girl who thinks tattoos are really sexy, and then declaring that all women think tattoos are sexy.

And you don't think physical characteristics determine personality? Why do you think the vast majority of women are attracted to men? That's a non-physical generalisation we can make, although not an absolute one: women are sexually attracted to men. It's not useless to make similar kinds of conclusions about women.

Ummm, because human beings need to procreate? And that requires sperm and an egg? Sorry but you've totally lost me.

 

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Sorry, but I have to play Devil's advocate here, and bear in mind that there is never a universal answer when it comes to women, relationships, etc., since everyone is different.

But everyone being different doesn't rule out a universal answer. All men have different penises but we're still able to say "men have penises" and to indicate the general shape and structure. We're able to give labels to beings called "men" and "women" and to describe to some extent what they look like and how they behave, even though no two are alike. I don't believe anyone's arrived at an appropriate description of human behavior or of the sexes that would come close to the accuracy of our current physical descriptions, but that just means we haven't reached it yet. We will soon enough.

Apples and oranges my friend. You're talking about physical characteristics, I'm talking about personality characteristics, and my point to the OP is that one can never, with 100% certainty, answer a question such as "do women like __________?" or "Do women want the guy to take the lead?" because, although one can notice general trends, you can never 100% say what all women (or men for that matter) want or like.

It'd be like meeting one girl who thinks tattoos are really sexy, and then declaring that all women think tattoos are sexy.

And you don't think physical characteristics determine personality? Why do you think the vast majority of women are attracted to men? That's a non-physical generalisation we can make, although not an absolute one: women are sexually attracted to men. It's not useless to make similar kinds of conclusions about women.

Ummm, because human beings need to procreate? And that requires sperm and an egg? Sorry but you've totally lost me.

What you call "personality characteristics" are predictable. Not to 100%, but not all men are born with a penis either and surgeons don't skip anatomy education because of that fact.

If your alien friend from outer space came to you for advice and asked for dating human women, would you refuse because no universal answer is possible? No, there's plenty of help you can give him about what women generally like: men, for one thing.

We can learn from nature too. Take the lyrebird. No two are the same of course, but the male always takes the initiative by his singing and showing off his tail. The human situation is probably a little more complex, but you see where I'm going.

 

[Strazdas]

2b) Some definitely do. I'm very picky so I like to select my men rather than them selecting me. Only trouble is that guys don't always respond well to girls making the first move, so I tend to make them think that they were in to me first. Jedi mind tricks and all that.

This makes me sad. Due to my shyness (im quite the opposite in rela life than on the net) i will never make the first move and would highly value a girl that would. but due to thinking like this the chacnes of this will be severely lowered. sigh.

Awwww no not at all! If a girl really wants you she'll find a way of getting things going, even if it's really subtle. That is unless you act so shy that you give the impression that you're not interested in her at all. I have a friend who had a crush on a chick for aaaaages, but he never even hinted at his feelings. She was in to him but she thought he didn't feel the same so she moved on and found someone else. As long as you make your feelings known she may just make that first move!

Thats kinda the thing. Yesterday i was sitting between two very good looking woman. what did i do? whip out my phone and watched a movie. i am unable to find a non-creepy way to make my feelings known.

Eeeerh, I kinda meant more like women you know rather than attractive strangers. If you don't know them well enough to start conversation then you probably don't know enough about them to make a move either.

Its the whole "knowing them well enough" part that's not accessible. Obviously at that point one could make a move, but how to get there is the real question.
The point is: you dont make friends by waiting.

 

[Dragonbums]

Why do you think the vast majority of women are attracted to men? That's a non-physical generalisation we can make, although not an absolute one: women are sexually attracted to men. It's not useless to make similar kinds of conclusions about women.

I mean, I can literally flip that statement around and ask why are all men attracted to women.

Of course, just because women are attracted to men, doesn't mean all women are attracted to men (homosexuals) and it certainly doesn't mean every guy has equal footing on what she deems attractive.

A guy who's really lean with tattoos all over can have much more of a chance to attract a specific ladies tastes than the average joe.

However the issue is is if your going to go onto a woman with the expectation that she is attracted to men- and in extension you, your going to find yourself knee deep in crap.

The general consensus is that you get to know the person first. That includes attraction. Because believe it or not, some women will not be attracted to men. Some will not be interested in men at the current moment. Some women just want to be left alone like any normal person would.

Yes. You can say men like women and women like men in the very broad sense of basic mammalian reproduction, however when it starts to come down to the individual person it gets a lot more complicated than that.