Remember Me Trailer Deletes The Bad and Replicates the Good

[Legion]

Just look at some of the comments made by the writer of Tomb Raider. She clearly hates men. And she talks as if she has made such a huge leap in gaming, what she has done in my opinion is written the gaming equal of I Spit On Your Grave, which is completely fine if everyone wasn't praising the other parts of the game so much that I had to try it. Make that game but advertise it as such so I will stay the hell away from it. She is responsible for the worst part of an otherwise great game and she thinks she deserves credit for its success.
If one of the selling points of remember me is a female protagonist, I will avoid it unless it proves that there are female villains in it too.
And the sex appeal thing is probably why most publishers wanted to avoid a female protagonist. They knew that in whatever way they made the box art, someone is going to complain about it being too sexy and a few morons are actually going to complain about it not being sexy, according to the video games awesome lets play, both happened with Tomb Raider and I think very few publishers are willing to handle that.

You have expressed the opinion that the game has misandric attitudes three times now, but not once provided a single example. If you can't provide any, then I am going to assume you are just making it up. It's not my job to look up the points you are trying to make. If you are going to claim a game is sexist against men, then it's your job to provide examples of this to back your point up.

Obviously you don't have to if you don't want to, but don't expect anybody to take your points seriously or respond to them (and if you don't care about that, it kind of defeats the point of commenting on a discussion board).

It is also worth noting that the lead writers of computer games have very little actual authority when it comes to the game. They don't write the entire script and hand it onto the developers who make it happen. They still need what they write to be approved, they just use their writing skills to make things more believable.

So even if the writer did hate men, that kind of attitude/message wouldn't be allowed in the game unless the people in charge were happy for it to be.

As for the whole "People complain when it's sexy, people complain when it isn't". I agree, it's pretty idiotic. When it comes to writing or creating female characters, then when it comes to the "geek community" people find something to complain about regardless. I imagine it's probably a bit of a headache when it comes to game development, but to be honest, the "geek community" complains about everything. It's amazing how large an industry it is considering nobody seems to like anything.

 

[KarlMonster]

"Remember Me Trailer Deletes The Bad and Replicates the Good"

Hmmm ... ...

Nope. No it doesn't.
The trailer just kind of plays. And there's this (young!) male voice-over and stringed instrument accompaniment that we hear over a chaotic montage that could possibly be giving some backstory. So allegedly the world is now run by the guys from 'We Can Remember That For You Wholesale'. Or a couple of absinthe junkies. Or maybe they're the same people.

But, for all I can tell, its an ad for a clothier that uses that strange circular symbol as their logo. Clothing for shut-ins. "Not going anywhere? Be comfortable!"

So, lets start again with something definitive: "Remember Me Trailer has vague stuff in it."

There we go. Accurate and to the point. By the way, is this 'Remember Me Trailer' thing related to the upcoming video game that I've heard of? I mean, it sounds far-fetched, but there are a few similarities.

The game should have a plot, and the trailer should be buried in one.

 

[JediMB]

With only one or two exceptions, every guy in that game is either a mindless cultist, completely useless or a coward.
And the cultists used to be decent people when they arrived on the island, according to the collectibles and some of their conversations. After several failed attempts to escape they finally gave up and started following the ancient legends told to them by their leader.
If Lara's attempts were unsuccessful like theirs she and her crew would be just like them or they would be killed.
Its like Life of Pi(after he reveals the truth) but with a lot more people and they are on an island instead of a boat.

With only one exception, the crew who arrived on the island with Lara are good people. So the good supporting cast consists of two men and two women.

The people who've been on the island for longer are cultists who've sacrificed all women that used to be among them in attempts to revive Himiko. The cult leader is very well aware of that destroying Himiko's old vessel would stop the storms and free everyone on the island, but instead he's formed his cult of maniacs to revive her and attempt to conquer the world with her power.

The cultists may have once been decent people, but not anymore. The ones who tried to stay decent were killed, and only the ones who became willing to blindly follow their leader and murder the innocent for a hypothetical chance to get off the island remained.

 

[Amanda Diamond]

Well, they put her on the front cover atleast... I guess it's a start. I've already preordered my copy as well. It piqued my interests.

 

[A Weakgeek]

So many people here who preordered the game, while not being able to know what its actually like and bizarrely enough some even expecting it to be mediocre.

No wonder theres so much bitching after every game release. Some people have way too much money on their hands.

 

[bug_of_war]

I am not complaining, I am pointing outthat for all the fighting they did to keep her unsexualized they rather failed on the box art.

Its not just that she is facing away from the camera, it is the way the title is set up, going smoothly from Remember to Me, then they added the lense flair to the jeans over her ass to draw your eye directly down to it after you read the title.

Compare it to The Last of Us box art

The female lead here is also looking at the camera, more side on, but it deemphasizes her figure instead of drawing the eye to any particular part of anatomy.

God knows I am sick and tired of sexism debates, but I cant help but call bullshit on developers who whine about their struggles then go with such blatantly manipulative box art.

Okay, first off showing her in this pose:

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is not sexualisation. Yes, there is a small amount of light shining on one side of her ass, there's also light shining on her neck, and her having her back turned to the camera does not make the picture sexualised. THIS:

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is sexualised imagery, the remember me image is basically just this:

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only with a woman.

As for the comparison with "The Last Of Us", the reason she does not appear sexy is because she is a 14 year old girl. If anyone found the girl on the front cover of "The Last Of Us" sexy than they would be a paedophile. Portraying the main character of Remember Me the way that they have is not sexualising her character, she looks sexy, but she is not in any pose that is blatantly trying to get boners popping outta dudes pants. If you think a woman standing with her back to you is sexualisation then you have the problem, her back isn't contorted, her ass isn't huge, her tits aren't popping out the side and she doesn't look helpless or dominatrix-ish.

You wanna see blatant manipulative box art that sexualises women?

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[bug_of_war]

And in your picture of assassins creed I am not exactly seeing them lining up the words with the assassins (Fuck if I know his name, not my kinda game) ass, putting him in skin tight jeans, AND PUTTING LENSE FLAIR ON IT for no apparent reason. The neck thing, yeah there is light there, its coming from one of the worst designed implants in sci fi, but atleast it makes sense, I doubt she has one installed in her ass though.

When you buy clothes, you generally buy the so that they fit, and when your job involves you climbing around buildings, running, fighting and basically being as mobile as possible you don't buy baggy clothes. As for why there is light on one side of her butt, you should notice that when light comes from one direction your body is not bright all around. The way she is standing suggests that if light is shined at her on her left side, then the left part of her body will be lit up. The fact that her back is darker is because her arm is shielding it from the light rays, but the top left hand corner has no obstructions, thus light is bound to shine there.

And I gotta laugh that you whined that no one should find her sexy because shes 14 when I was talking about the pose itself, not the specific character, and you cant even get your fucking terminology right, if they were attracted to a 14 year old girl they would be an ephebophile, but you are pretty much trying to strawman at this point so I am not going to waste any more time with you.

Hopefully you learned something, but please, go bother someone else.

You were talking about the pose, and I was saying that the reason she is not in a sexy pose is because she is 14, which means it'd be pretty fucking sick of the developers to publish art work of a 14 year old girl to incite sexual stimulation. Yes, I got the terminology wrong, I was not aware, that is my bad, but my argument is still valid, the girl in The Last Of Us is a girl, not a woman. Women can be sexy without being sexualised, girls cannot. There is a big difference between titillation and an attractive person, and you seem to be blending the two together with some misplaced sense of white knighted-hood and a superiority complex so overgrown that it would make the head of activision blush.

 

[wearesoneutralthatithurts]

why is the nilin in teh trailer white but the chara a POC? Oo

 

[JediMB]

Of the men of Lara's crew, one is her mentor, and is killed off soon. The sailors are still good. The tech guy is useless even at tech and gets sent to do one task and dies doing it and Lara doesn't think twice about him dying. And the professor betrays them. So there are about 3 good guys two of whom are killed for character development. And one of them is supposed to be a battle-hardened sailor who dies the first time he is shown fighting. And the one guy who did survive didn't do anything useful at least up to the part I played. So in all, there is only one good and useful guy and he dies in the first half.

Oh, major "d'oh" on my part for letting the two most awesome people on the crew slip my mind: Grim and Roth. So that's four men to two women in the supporting cast, who're all decent/good people.

As I mentioned before, I didn't finish the game so I didn't know the leader's full plan. But hearing it makes male characters look even worse and further proves my point.

But this doesn't say anything about "male characters". It says something about persuasive cult leaders. Mathias surrounded himself with people who were strong enough to increase his power, but not smart enough to consider usurping him, and then he systematically broke down his followers' senses of morality while killing anyone who wasn't willing to go along with it.

The game basically has two awesome male characters, two who're simply nice people, a treacherous one, and an evil madman. All the grunts you meet on the way can hardly be considered characters, and it is their leader--not their sex--that is to blame for their behavior. The game does not in any way disparage maleness, but (as I mentioned) two thirds of the male characters Lara interacts with are portrayed as flawed but decent people.

 

[bigfatcarp93]

I don't manage to get many games. I'm not that wealthy, and have a limited scope of interest. As a result, I usually only get about three or four games a year. So when I tell you that I AM GETTING THIS GAME... you know that means something.

 

[Rebel_Raven]

I preordered the game via amazon for the advertized street fighter moves bonus, and am really looking forward to it!

SPINNING BIRD KICK! YATTAH!! XD

Wootie woot! Female protagonist!

Seriously, I hope this is a good game. I hope it meets, or surpasses sales expectations!

As much as I loved te trailer, I'm not sure why they made it. I'm not seeing it on television. Has anyone seen it on TV? Has it preceeded a youtube video?

The game's going to need publicity if it's expected to do well, isn't it? I mean it's going to be out in less than 2 days. It's an IP with nothing to stand on.

 

[antipunt]

At the end of the video, there's a link to a 'story website' ("here's the story"), and I've been on it for 20 minutes now, it's freaking HUGE. Somewhere, someone involved is really interested in fleshing out the story of this world. It's taking me forever to get through, but I'm legitimately entertained by it. That alone has me really interested. If this bombs, I'm going to be very sad and disappointed because it looks very promising from what I've seen, and I love brain-stuff