Repeating the Mujahideen Mistakes with the Kurds and Syria: Turkey attacks after US withrdaws

[Thaluikhain]

But I think even the cult would waiver if they found out the next 9/11 was made up of exclusively ISIS fighters who were held under lock and key, but were let loose because the Orange One decided to cater to his secret masters and pull out of our commitment to our allies.

Looking at the 9/11 we've actually had, and the way the US had previously worked with the people behind it, I'd not be so sure.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

But I think even the cult would waiver if they found out the next 9/11 was made up of exclusively ISIS fighters who were held under lock and key, but were let loose because the Orange One decided to cater to his secret masters and pull out of our commitment to our allies.

Looking at the 9/11 we've actually had, and the way the US had previously worked with the people behind it, I'd not be so sure.

There are people who still don't even know who the Mujahedeen are.

People will KNOW Trump had a hand in this.

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Even more fun news!

Putin is on a victory lap of the Middle East [https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/15/middleeast/putin-syria-russia-middle-east-intl/index.html]

After years battling to assert the Kremlin's power on the international stage, Vladimir Putin is now on what seems like a victory lap of the Middle East.

On Tuesday, Kremlin-backed forces further stepped up to fill the vacuum left in northern Syria by the US. Russian military police units patrolled the contact line between Syrian and Turkish forces, while Putin-backed Bashar al-Assad troops gained full control of the town of Manbij and surrounding areas, according to a Russian defense ministry statement published on its website.
The fast-shifting geopolitical sands have already handed huge territorial gains to the pro-Moscow Assad government who opportunistically forged a new alliance with US-abandoned Kurds over the weekend.

The unfolding events in northern Syria come after Moscow stayed the course with its ally Assad despite international criticism and sanctions, leaving it as the only force willing and able to protect the Syrian Kurds from a Turkish onslaught. With the US withdrawal increasingly seen as a betrayal of the Kurds, it is the Russians who look like the only reliable allies in this fight.
It was against this backdrop that Putin toured the capitals of two key Gulf states -- the United Arab Emirates on Tuesday and Saudi Arabia on Monday.

In Saudi -- one of America's closest allies -- the Russian president received a warm welcome during his first visit to the kingdom in over a decade. The Kremlin called it a "return visit" after Saudi's King Salman visited Moscow in 2017 to broaden the key oil producers' relationship.

It is a "natural partnership," one Russian official told me ahead of this week's state visit. The "world's biggest oil exporters cooperating to stabilize the markets".

But the significance of this burgeoning Russia-Saudi friendship should not be understated or limited to just conversations about oil.

Russia is, after all, a close ally of Saudi's most implacable foe -- Iran. It fights alongside Iranian forces in Syria, and has close diplomatic and economic ties with the Islamic Republic.

Speaking after the meeting, King Salman said he appreciated "Russia's effective role in the region and around the world," according to remarks reported by Saudi state media.

The statement underlines that this state visit was a well-timed diplomatic coup, placing Putin at the center of the region's geopolitics.

The damage this one man has done to the US is amazing. Not only does he always seem to "bumble" his way to actions that benefit Russia. But Russia's new Besties want Trump 2020 [https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/15/china-trump-trump2020-deal-beijing-best-asset/] because of how his actions benefits them.

I can not wait to leave this country.

 

[Trunkage]

So can we talk about this:
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2019/10/14/with-turkeys-invasion-of-syria-concerns-mount-over-nukes-at-incirlik/

Erdogan has previously said he wanted some nukes. This might be his access. He has been pushing the limit with US bases already in Syria https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/us-demonstrates-show-of-force-after-turkish-militia-gets-too-close-to-base/ar-AAISg1q?ocid=spartandhp

Incirlik base did lose all power during the coup attempt last year. The commander was also arrested. The US couldn't fly out for a time (say if they wanted to remove them). So, that was probably the best time to steal one. But, I'm thinking, since EU and US are sanctioning Turkey, he might just overtake them so he can become a superpower.

I don't know if he is brazen enough to do this. We will see

 

[Agema]

And you have you seen this weird-ass shit?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/16/trump-letter-erdogan-turkey-invasion

Metternich, Castlereagh, Talleyrand, Kissinger, eat your hearts out.

 

[Trunkage]

Can anyone explain this ceasefire to me? The US pretty much caved to Turkey's demands. The new border is exactly where Turkey wanted it. And the US got nothing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/turkey-kurds-ceasefire-syria-erdogan-trump-spin.amp

I don't understand. What is the US getting out of this? They lost the Kurds to Assad. They lost ground. And nothing in return

 

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Can anyone explain this ceasefire to me? The US pretty much caved to Turkey's demands. The new border is exactly where Turkey wanted it. And the US got nothing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/turkey-kurds-ceasefire-syria-erdogan-trump-spin.amp

I don't understand. What is the US getting out of this? They lost the Kurds to Assad. They lost ground. And nothing in return

Of course America gets nothing.

This was never about America getting anything. It's about Trump and who he wants to benefit. And tangentially the silly cult of Trump who thinks he fights for them.

Trump's defenders get a delusional win, where they can say their 'great negotiator' saved the Kurds through sheer bargaining tactics.

And Trump makes us look weaker. Which is Putin's, his Puppeteer, only wish. It's very odd how Trump only works and does things that somehow ends up benefiting Putin, isn't it?

 

[Nedoras]

Can anyone explain this ceasefire to me? The US pretty much caved to Turkey's demands. The new border is exactly where Turkey wanted it. And the US got nothing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/turkey-kurds-ceasefire-syria-erdogan-trump-spin.amp

I don't understand. What is the US getting out of this? They lost the Kurds to Assad. They lost ground. And nothing in return

What we got was Trump getting a nice little pat on the head by Erdogan. He's super stoked about it too. That's it really. It's depressingly hysterical how easy he is to play. They got him alone in a room and told him ghost stories about the Kurds and how heroic and brave the Turkish soldiers are. How this is all based in history and it's the only way it'll be solved. He then responds by repeating it all proudly to the press and completely changing his policy based on that bullshit. It's amazing. And now they did this "deal" and he's out there saying how great it is that genocide isn't going to have to happen. The key word there being "have".

This whole situation is beyond a joke. If I recall he didn't even bring those troops home, they just got moved to somewhere else in Syria, and then he sent over a thousand more troops over to Saudi Arabia as fucking mercenaries. And he BRAGGED about the Saudi's paying for those troops. And yet it was still sold as "we're bringing the troops back, we're pulling out of the fight". They're still dominating the narrative and it's sickening. The ineptitude on display is sickening.

 

[Satinavian]

Can anyone explain this ceasefire to me? The US pretty much caved to Turkey's demands. The new border is exactly where Turkey wanted it. And the US got nothing

https://www.google.com/amp/s/slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/turkey-kurds-ceasefire-syria-erdogan-trump-spin.amp

I don't understand. What is the US getting out of this? They lost the Kurds to Assad. They lost ground. And nothing in return

The US basically abandoned Syria. So the relevant parties to talk about some honest ceasefire would be Turkey, the Kurds, Assad and Russia. A ceasefire between the US and Turkey is only for the American audience anyway.

 

[Agema]

Can anyone explain this ceasefire to me?

Yes.

The US pretty much caved to Turkey's demands. The new border is exactly where Turkey wanted it. And the US got nothing.

Whatever happened between Trump and Erdogan was - from the POV of US foreign policy - a clusterfuck. Obviously, in some way, Trump handed Erdogan a blank cheque for action way beyond established US policy. It was obvious there was a problem because 1) clearly large sections of the US government had no idea this was coming, which suggests it was unplanned and 2) within hours, literally hours, Trump was both trying to claim he did the right thing and undo it back at the same time. There's a real hint of hysteria about the threat to annihilate Turkey's economy, as well.

This little summit is damage limitation for US reputation. In terms of the action on the ground, it's done. Turkey's military is effectively beyond stopping. The only thing left to the USA is to form a pretence of control or influence, so a load of high ranking personnel dash out to Istanbul and formalise what Turkey already has, as if to say the USA's stamp of approval is still the big deal.

Meanwhile that pathetic orange toad who caused the mess rages in Washington, lashing out in a tantrum at everyone and everything to the media. Funny how "the master of the deal" is nowhere to be found doing the actual negotiations, which is just as well after the hash he made of it first time round. And the nothingburger he achieved with N Korea (that's all gone conveniently quiet, eh?), etc.

Luckily for Trump, this stuff doesn't obviously hit Americans in the pocket or body count so they're unlikely to particularly punish him for any of it.

 

[Trunkage]

So, suprising no one, America redeploys to North Eastern Syria so they can protect a gas plant. https://youtu.be/LCGFQcvE3eQ

At least Trump suggested Kurds make their way to the oil fields, because that's the only reason anyone would defend the Kurds...