Report Labels Habbo a "Pedophile Haven"
- Thread starter Andy Chalk
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We need to get everyone out of there until we can determine who all the pedophiles are.
The pool of users needs to be closed.
The pool of users needs to be closed.
Don't most of those social games for kids draw the wrong sort of attention? I'm surprised they're only looking into that one.
Maybe it's worse there, actually that's quite likely seeing as it's aimed for young teenagers who tend to have a bit more freedom with their computers and a bit less sense.
Wait, did I just refute my own statement?
Maybe it's worse there, actually that's quite likely seeing as it's aimed for young teenagers who tend to have a bit more freedom with their computers and a bit less sense.
Wait, did I just refute my own statement?
If he/she hasn't perpetrated, then yeah a good one, it's not exactly something they wish to be/have.Yan007 said:
Or are we going to arrest people for thought crimes now and put them in camps?
Well considering how selectively vague the details are I'd say about this much of a pinch:NinjaDeathSlap said:
This sounds like the type of stuff that if someone posted it on a forum they'd be called a troll, but because the media is a one-way interaction and they can ignore and be selective with addressing criticisms
"interactions of an explicit sexual nature"
What precisely? Something like "tits or GTFO". Turns out it's stuff like "hurr hurr, I'm touhing ur bewbs" and "virtual kissing" whatever that is or isn't.
"pink teddy bears"
Hardly a prominent feature. This makes it seem like it's a pre-schooler's learning game when it's more like a hip-teen virtual bikini beach party.
"posing as a young girl"
Clicking through she claims to be posing as an 11 year old, even though all the female clearly have breasts and proportions of adult females. How did she "pose" as an 11 year old when she herself was not and her avatar did not look prepubescent. So all this talk of her talking with 10 year olds, they shouldn't even be on the game.
Do secondary schools (high schools, either way 13-18 year olds) freak out that their buildings are full of teenagers that are kissing? No, they hand out free condoms. And this is just VIRTUAL kissing?!?!?
"explicit sexual nature"
Teenagers talking about sex, in explicit terms... is this channel 4 or is this the Conservative Christian Crusaders? And did she ever say that she didn't like this explicit language and subject matter? Did she ask it to stop, leave then it didn't? Report it to moderators?
"The chat was very sexual, perverse, violent, pornographic, overtly sexual acts, people saying they were going to do things to others, and it was very graphic."
Any actual crimes being committed? Anyone under age involved in any actual indecent assault? How are WORDS pornoGRAPHIC? What kind of violence? Just saying "herp, I'm going secretly to pretend to be 11" doesn't make it padeophilic. No one under the age of 13 is even allowed to register on Habbo.
"Within two minutes I was being asked individually..."
Within 2 minutes of what!?? There is NOTHING before or after this stating what this is from. She was on this service for 2 months. Did she report this to moderators? Did she specifically admonish him for asking such a thing? Did she ever try to "entrap" the person? How does she know it wasn't another teenager?
This is trash journalism. It's a "juicy" story that doesn't have any weight to it nor any discussion value, it's just something to get outraged over and keep people tuning in.
The game has rules, no one under 13 puts it on par with any school and moderators are there to be used if only people will actually report things. This "journalist" broke the game, she broke the rules as a fake 11 year old (2 years under the age limit) and didn't seem to report any contact she didn't want.
Slipptery slope to what? That innocent people are innocent until they do/start doing the crime?Yan007 said:
Should we also incarcerate cleptomaniacs, just to be safe?
No, but you should keep an eye on them and make sure not to leave them alone in a room full of stuff they could steal.Boris Goodenough said:
(Edit cuz of half-finished thought.)
Also, it would make sense to have a machine as the first line of defense, but tends to be w03fu11y in@d3qu@t3!
Well, given that the article specifically mentioned that the first thing someone tried was to get them OFF that onto another chat program....Treblaine said:
Also, it would make sense to have a machine as the first line of defense, but tends to be w03fu11y in@d3qu@t3!
There is a huge contradiction here:RazadaMk2 said:
-You cannot sign up to this service if you are under the age of 13. They'd have to claim they are older than they are, and all the avatars look like adults.
-Paedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent children, which contrary to being over 13 years of age.
The video report is pretty shoddy with it's fact checking:
"250 million users"
How did they get that number from only 9 million users? Maybe they mean 250 million who EVER used the site.
As soon as she described herself as 11 years old on the site she should have been kicked off the site for breaking the rules. Did she start every new conversation with "I'm only 11 years old" or was her in game name "11yo-totally-not-a-journalist"
"People were having sex with me, without my permission"
There is absolutely no sexual intercourse mechanic in the game. That's impossible. Someone saying "eye, am touching yer bewbs" isn't having sex. It's also obvious they don't consider her 11 years old if they are talking about breasts.
(someone asks "what your body is like") immediately he says "Well a moderator should be jumping in right about now"
HOW YOU BLITHERING OAF!! HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE!!! It couldn't even work based on key words?!? How can there be one moderator per user conversation?!? This guy is advising the government?!? Why doesn't he EVER suggest (on camera) that they report this to moderators?
"For the purposes of this, we'll say I'm 11"
That just shows how easily that could be seen as a lie. Especially as revealing you were under 13 would be bannable on the game forfeiting EVERYTHING that you paid good money for.
But even if they were 11, at that age they are taught have a certain sense of what not to do. 11 year old girls are expected to walk to and from school unaccompanied, it's expected that if some pedo drives up and suggest she just take off all her clothes right there... that's not going to happen. Why would it suddenly happen here in the parent's home where a parent is likely RIGHT THERE in the same room.
Habbo is NO DIFFERENT from the reality of life in Britain where everyone under 16 is mandated to go to school and the government provides no school buses, so they MUST be unaccompanied in the streets.
The key thing is whether the pervert meets the child on Habbo or on the Streets going to and from school, the ONLY way abuse can be prevented is to educate these kids about these dangers.
So they found two pedophiles out of what they claim are 250 million users in total ever, and all throughout this the moderators were avoided, with it ultimately going off site and even being on the site in the first place under the age of 13. So what the fuck is Habbo supposed to do? How can they give a criminal background check and vouch that every user is under 18? Do they have to kick them out when they are over 18?
Ultimately it is the same risk in Habbo as a girl ever walking anywhere without her parent by her side, some pedo could just talk to her.
The thing is if parent don't think they have educated their child enough to not fall for pedos traps, or not report them, then they should:
(1) never let their children walk to school without a parent or guardian with them
(2) never let them play outside or in a park where they aren't constantly within earshot
(3) never let them use the internet at all without heavy filters and public supervision
(4) no mobile phones nor any games console like Nintendo DS with the picto-chat near field communication.
But how will they ever learn to report unwanted advances?
"no one wants the whole internet regulated, but the places where children play must be safe"
Well considering children (under 18) could interact anywhere then this IS SAYING everywhere should be regulated! The EXACT SAME THING could happen on THIS very website. An 11 year old girl (or a 30 year old woman imagining she is 11 years old) makes an account here and, lies (or tells the truth and imagines to be lying) about being over 18 years old, and some other forum member could ask her something sexual in a reply or in a private message inviting her to a pirvate chat.
Now the regulation they seem to want is impossible. They want on the child-safe areas a person individually monitoring and vetting every single line of communication. They seem to suggest a Wall of Segregation between adults and children on the internet and no teenage boys to express any sexual interest in their classmates... to spite the mismatch between age of consent (16) and age of adulthood (18).
You know whats funny about this? Just the other day I was thinking; "Whatever happened to that Habbo thing?"
Yeah, you report to moderator WHEN they suggest moving off to another program. Actually you report them after the body comments and "like older men".Formica Archonis said:
If they say something on another network, you can still report them on the network where it originated from.
But what do you do if right from the outset users are breaking the rules that were put there to protect them like being on the game under the age of 13? Or not reporting sexual harassment. Not blocking unwanted communications.
I heard this interesting quote from a cop in america:
"People say they don't report anything to the cops because *nothing* gets done... but we can't do ANYTHING unless crimes are reported and people come forward. Human intel is the foundation, pillar and keystone to enforcing the law."
Every report helps. If they are habitual in their harassment and have 20 complaints against one user, they get pursued even if they don't personally come round your house and give to a big shiny medal to every person who reported harassing comments
