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Ancalagon

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First of all, I'm sorry if something similar has already been posted: I searched under "benefit fraud" and "benefit theft", but found nothing.

I'd like the escapist's view on a moral dilemma I've been turning over in my mind. I'm a bartender, and we have this customer. He claims quite considerable sums of money in benefit, despite having a very healthy bank balance. He takes six or seven holidays a year, and he's going to New Zealand today for two months.

Now this customer, let's call him Alan, since it's his name; he's an odious little prick, and causes no end of distress to the barmaids who work with me. Tonight, he asked one of my co-workers to call him a cab; he needed to be at the airport for 11pm, so he asked her to call it for 10:40pm. It didn't turn up on time, and he demanded that she make sure that he had a taxi to the airport straight away, in a very rude manner. She called him another cab, and when it arrived, he offered the barmaid his hand, as if to shake hands. She took his hand, and he pulled her towards him, and tried to kiss her.

Now as far as I'm concerned, he's barred. My boss is not keen on barring people, though, so I might have to settle for an apology and a commitment not to do the same again. But he has told me, on previous occasions, that he's a benefit cheat, and seems quite proud of the fact.

Now, I hate benefit fraud. I work for a reasonable amount of money, and I'm comfortable enough; but it really upsets me when I see someone taking several holidays a year on taxpayers' money. On the other hand, I understand what it's like to get caught in the 'habit' of not working. I did it myself for a couple of months, but I made the choice not to claim benefits while I was doing it.

Anyway, some background to Alan. He was a psychiatric nurse, but lost his job when he became an alcoholic. He'd turn up to work drunk, or get drunk while he was there. The NHS decided, rather than risk the tribunal for sacking him, to give him a payoff to leave.

He's a deeply unhappy person; he's lonely, and no-one likes him. He's also been diagnosed with liver disease, and been told if he doesn't stop drinking, he'll die pretty soon. I do feel sorry for him, but he's a deeply unpleasant person.

Now, I never reported him for benefit fraud. My rationale was that I wouldn't report someone who I liked, I'd just think they were an arse for doing it. So I shouldn't report this guy, just because I can't stand him. It'd just be vindictive.

But one of my co-workers, not the girl who he upset tonight, but someone else who was working, after I had told her about his lifestyle, is going to report him. Without his money, I consider it a serious possibility he'll kill himself. I could probably stop her if I tried, and I don't want a corpse on my conscience, or hers.

So, fellow escapists, what should I do?
 

crimson5pheonix

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That's a pickle, if I had just read the first half, I would have said toss him, but that second half... Make him apologize and be stern about it. But you can't really toss someone like that. No matter how much of an ass he is.
 

jim_doki

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Report away my good man

the dude needs help. alcahol counciling for one thing, not to mention he could stand to learn a few social skills. yes, he has a problem, and yes, he might be sick, but his disease has started breaking the law, sexual harrasment and who knows what else when he's not going into the bar

you gotta do something, its not vindictive, its the right thing to do
 

crimson5pheonix

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Well, another thing I wish to know, is his liver disease terminal and incurable?
 

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I'd report him
There's no other way his crimes and/or issues will come to any kind of light
 

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Human life has no intrinsic value. Unless you get something out of this person's continued existence, why should you care?

Personally, I'd consider reporting him doing a favour to the world.
 

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jim_doki said:
Report away my good man

the dude needs help. alcahol counciling for one thing, not to mention he could stand to learn a few social skills. yes, he has a problem, and yes, he might be sick, but his disease has started breaking the law, sexual harrasment and who knows what else when he's not going into the bar

you gotta do something, its not vindictive, its the right thing to do
ya, if he is abusing a Function made to help people in need, the money he is using can be sent to someone Else who REALLY needs it, he also needs to get himself help, he is drinking himself to death, he needs help,
 

Ancalagon

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crimson5pheonix said:
Well, another thing I wish to know, is his liver disease terminal and incurable?
Well, I'm only going on what he's told me, but if he stopped drinking, he could be okay. But he's unwilling to do so. He is drinking less though. To give some background, though, he lacks social skills, he smells bad, he'll offend people without realizing he's doing it. Now, a rational person would take a bath and try to be less offensive, but he's delusional. The barmaid who he tried to kiss, he's written her love notes, despite her having told him that she has a boyfriend, and those notes, they're sad. He seems like someone who was a moderately intelligent person once; but the alcohol has left him boring and unpleasant. And I suppose that's where my dilemma lies.
 

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kailsar said:
crimson5pheonix said:
Well, another thing I wish to know, is his liver disease terminal and incurable?
Well, I'm only going on what he's told me, but if he stopped drinking, he could be okay. But he's unwilling to do so. He is drinking less though. To give some background, though, he lacks social skills, he smells bad, he'll offend people without realizing he's doing it. Now, a rational person would take a bath and try to be less offensive, but he's delusional. The barmaid who he tried to kiss, he's written her love notes, despite her having told him that she has a boyfriend, and those notes, they're sad. He seems like someone who was a moderately intelligent person once; but the alcohol has left him boring and unpleasant. And I suppose that's where my dilemma lies.
Alright, if his illness is nothing serious, toss him. Have him sent to rehab.
 

Pigeon_Grenade

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perhaps a stay in a Hospital with the care of a shrink may be helpful for him too, or a Correctional facility of some sort if his actions cause him to be put in jail, he could get counciling in either case
 

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Yes I think you should report him. Especially if he is causing grief at your work place. Why not report someone who is a problem on multiple levels?
 

Ancalagon

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DalekJaas said:
Yes I think you should report him. Especially if he is causing grief at your work place. Why not report someone who is a problem on multiple levels?
Well, as far as the problems he causes me and my barstaff, I can deal with them separately; if my boss stops me barring him, I can still make his time here very unpleasant. I also feel some duty to protect the people I work with though, I'm supposed to be in charge of them, and I don't think they should have to put up with that. As a supplemental question, if someone should report him, shouldn't it be me? The girl who wants to report him is twenty years old, and I'm thirty; I've been bartending for twelve years, and have had several customers die, always because of their own choices. Maybe I could cope with the consequences of my actions better than her...
 

jim_doki

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yeah, its not her fault if she reports him and he dies

under any circumstances


anywhere


EVER
 

chronobreak

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Nobody likes a tattle-tale. Leave the dude alone. I work too, and if somebody, even an asshole, is smart enough to take advantage of the system, don't ruin it for him. It will probably catch up with him anyways sooner or later.
 

meatloaf231

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Hrm... I would say report him, but try to make him get some help. I mean, you said he's going to die if he doesn't stop drinking, so barring him would be for the best, right?
 

Molikroth

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Report him if you like, it's up to you.

However, don't blame him for taking advantage of the moronic way this dictatorship is run. If you submit to a government that skims off your earnings to distribute among the lazy, you only have yourself to blame.

I don't work because if I did, half my income would go towards supporting the disabled, single parents, national defence and assorted other things I disapprove of. If you offer to enable me to refuse to work with minimal inconvenience to myself - i.e. my nice warm flat, my free money, the assorted other benefits that come with the free money (free/cheaper insulation and the like) - I'm going to accept, of course.
 

Logan Westbrook

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Molikroth said:
Report him if you like, it's up to you.

However, don't blame him for taking advantage of the moronic way this dictatorship is run. If you submit to a government that skims off your earnings to distribute among the lazy, you only have yourself to blame.

I don't work because if I did, half my income would go towards supporting the disabled, single parents, national defence and assorted other things I disapprove of. If you offer to enable me to refuse to work with minimal inconvenience to myself - i.e. my nice warm flat, my free money, the assorted other benefits that come with the free money (free/cheaper insulation and the like) - I'm going to accept, of course.
You disapprove of disability benefits?
 

Phantom2595

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Molikroth said:
Report him if you like, it's up to you.

However, don't blame him for taking advantage of the moronic way this dictatorship is run. If you submit to a government that skims off your earnings to distribute among the lazy, you only have yourself to blame.

I don't work because if I did, half my income would go towards supporting the disabled, single parents, national defence and assorted other things I disapprove of. If you offer to enable me to refuse to work with minimal inconvenience to myself - i.e. my nice warm flat, my free money, the assorted other benefits that come with the free money (free/cheaper insulation and the like) - I'm going to accept, of course.
That is just so wrong...

I would rather do society a favour and work in a job I like.If everyone started thinking like you, where would our economy be... oh.

EDIT:Also, I would gladly pay my taxes, I approve of my Canadian government more or else. (Schools, police , firefighters ,and hospitals are still doing what they should. And our troops need our support.)