Researcher Goes Inside the Criminal Mind of a File-Sharer

ionveau

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Its just greed get over yourselves, Did you notice how the price for COD 6 was more then for COD 4?
Remember to the days of your childhood, Remember how the TV ads would tell you to buy this game or that game, Remember pokemon cards? paper that costs less then 0.01 to create selling for 20$ at the store.....

Don't you understand, if the company knows they will sell alot of a product they will boost the price to suck out your money.

Also it annoys me how the AD tell the child "You need to buy this game its the best game ever"

lets jump to WoW, To play this game it will cost you $160 for the whole game and 15$ per month, Why? well any brain washed costumer with no info on the cost of servers will tell you most of the money gose to server up keep and development costs, The truth is for WoW to keep you connected for a whole month it will cost them $0.13 yes this with bandwidth and ETC, Have you seen that Russian free to play game Allods it is a copy of WoW,
Do you want to know why they don't charge 15$ a month? let me tell you, its not popular We the human race are Sheep we don't question things.

Why are outdated laws applied to new media? = Money
Why are we told to think file sharing is bad? = Propaganda
Why is installing an OS on more then 1 computer illegal? = Greed

File sharing laws are the only thing keeping back knowledge Information and overall freedom on the internet.

PS im not a pirate
 

Croaker42

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Or Perhaps the leechers are just trying to get thier hands on the hard to find or material that is no longer published. The people behind DnD 2ed don't sell it anymore and I would much rather DL it than deal with some prick on craigslist/Ebay/Ripoff used book store.
 

irani_che

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Professor Obvious i presume?
for all its worth, here is a good starting point in the theory

People do not mind supporting producers of quality products,hell I know Places where they still sell Bioshock for $40 and people will buy it, why? because it is quality.
If you buy a game, and it turns out to be shit, you have rewarded a company for making shit in a fancy box with a good advertising scheme, and poorly done reviews (ones here are usually good but most other places will happily lose partiality for and endosement or a before-release review.
best way to combat piracy would be to restart offering demos let consumers try out a few levels of the game, if they enjoy it, like playing it and want to see what happens next; they will happily part with good money for the rest of it. Look at WoW, many ppl who played the demo did not go on to upgrade but most ppl who play the full one got their first taste and get hooked on the free version.
customers will be allowed to have a taste of a game and the people who buy it will all be loyal fans

What would this do for the industry?
To start it would make the first levels awesome developers will throw loads into it to impress the players
you would spend the beginning with action, less cutscenes and tutorials which would not bore the heck out of you.
Storyline would matter again, yes killing the grunts and jackals is fun is Halo, but in a game like Bioshock or Silent hill, you wanna see what is gonna happen next, cheap cliffhangers aside.
The whole revisting level thing will also quickly disappear as well.


A minor afterthought,
dont do an locked content thing, this will just piss of hackers and give them a challenge.
offer the taster as a download and sell rest of the game in the boxes.
Hell, games like Halo 3 could have the entire campaign (all 4 hours of it) as a freebie and make people buy multiplayer rights.

remind me to forwards this on to Extra Credit or someone
 

Andy Chalk

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I'm inclined to think that Cox is giving the majority of copyright infringers too much credit. That's the trouble with relying on survey information: even if they think it's anonymous, a lot of people give answers that will ennoble their behaviour. So you say, "I'm robbing from the rich to give to the poor," but in reality you're just feeding your sense of entitlement and keeping your ratios up.
 

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I came for the Criminal Minds reference, I stayed for the picture of SSA Hotchner, I raged at the douche applying psychological profiling to do little more than state the obvious...And be wrong at the same time.

Pirates don't do it for the recognition, they don't do it out of a Robin Hood complex, they do it out of greed, as outlined above, it really is that simple for the vast majority of pirates.

You're not going to get honest answers out of people anyway, anonymous or not, social desirability bias will kick in and people will hide their true intentions to make themselves look better in the eyes of the general public, even if their name is not attached to the information.
 

shaboinkin

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I only seeded 2 things so far, and his reasoning was almost why I did it.
My phyiscs teacher gave the class the answer key to all the questions in our textbook. I figured that since someone else in the world who was using this same textbook might need some help figuring out the problems. What better way then to actually upload the solutions manual to help out someone struggling?

The other thing I'm seeing, is about 8gb of old ass DOS games. I feel that these games should never die out because a lot of these never heard of games were pretty darn good. Why not help someone who may have never had the chance to play the game get an opportunity to play the game? Or help someone relive their youth in a game?
 

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Fumbleumble said:
That's so funny..

The average torrenter is just someone who wants something for nothing (not neccessarily a bad thing, that's not my point) and when he has to justify it he uses all the 'high minded' reasoning available.. but that's just being human.. not criminal.

There 'may' be the one's who do it to make a point, or as a form of protest.. but they're are few and far between.

The researcher should be fired for being so gulible and for knowing nothing at all about those he is researching... he's just quite simply bad at his job, and forming all the wrong conclusions.. back to school I think, because he obviously eaned nothing first time around.
You do realize that he's talking about the people who share the files, and not the leechers here, right?
 

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RollForInitiative said:
Yes, you (speaking generally) assholes are affecting my industry whether you want to believe it or not and I'd really appreciate it if you'd kindly die in a gutter somewhere.
Fun fact: Calling people assholes and saying their opinion is wrong on account of it differing from yours is not a good way to make anybody listen to your demands, if anything all this self righteous blabbering only drives people away from your side.
 

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They could try NOT using the words "revenue" and "profit" all the time. I mean if seeders see themselves as alturistic robin hoods who screw over "the man", shouldn't the industry just start pointing out how many people loose their jobs to this instead? I mean the seeders see what they do as the right thing to do, so instead of detering them you should change their morals and volition.
 

Aeshi

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ionveau said:
Its just greed get over yourselves, Did you notice how the price for COD 6 was more then for COD 4?
Remember to the days of your childhood, Remember how the TV ads would tell you to buy this game or that game, Remember pokemon cards? paper that costs less then 0.01 to create selling for 20$ at the store.....

Don't you understand, if the company knows they will sell alot of a product they will boost the price to suck out your money.

Also it annoys me how the AD tell the child "You need to buy this game its the best game ever"

lets jump to WoW, To play this game it will cost you $160 for the whole game and 15$ per month, Why? well any brain washed costumer with no info on the cost of servers will tell you most of the money gose to server up keep and development costs, The truth is for WoW to keep you connected for a whole month it will cost them $0.13 yes this with bandwidth and ETC, Have you seen that Russian free to play game Allods it is a copy of WoW,
Do you want to know why they don't charge 15$ a month? let me tell you, its not popular We the human race are Sheep we don't question things.

Why are outdated laws applied to new media? = Money
Why are we told to think file sharing is bad? = Propaganda
Why is installing an OS on more then 1 computer illegal? = Greed

File sharing laws are the only thing keeping back knowledge Information and overall freedom on the internet.

PS im not a pirate
Yeah because it's not like those servers have maintainence costs or anything.

And if file sharing is "good" then surely so is counterfeiting?
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Joe Cox of the University of Portsmouth Business School [http://www.port.ac.uk/departments/faculties/portsmouthbusinessschool/latestnews/title,121228,en.html] made use of Finnish national survey data in his study,
Finnish national survey data? LOL

Oh well, in the end I don't root for either side of this.

Although, as an English student whose BA and soon to be MA essays handle completely irrelevant stuff, it is interesting that this gets academic attention, as I don't know if this stuff has been researched by any other than knee-jerking, company-funded "studies".
 

Anton P. Nym

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Asehujiko said:
RollForInitiative said:
Yes, you (speaking generally) assholes are affecting my industry whether you want to believe it or not and I'd really appreciate it if you'd kindly die in a gutter somewhere.
Fun fact: Calling people assholes and saying their opinion is wrong on account of it differing from yours is not a good way to make anybody listen to your demands, if anything all this self righteous blabbering only drives people away from your side.
Except that it's not opinion; piracy is affecting the industry, through ever-escallating DRM wars and the move to subscription/DLC models if nothing else.

And there's no down-side to calling pirates derogatory terms; it's not like they're ever going to agree to stop if asked politely. The seeders with "Robin Hood" complexes would just see politeness as yet more validation of their practices and the leaches don't care so long as they get to add more GBs to their warez collections. Folks who don't care, or who understand about the "ecology" of the game industry, won't raise the "Jolly Roger" because a studio employee calls a douchebag on their douchebaggery.

-- Steve
 

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ionveau said:
Its just greed get over yourselves, Did you notice how the price for COD 6 was more then for COD 4?
Inflation [http://lmgtfy.com/?q=inflation]. Or, remember that last raise of yours? Yeah, coders deserve them every now and then too.

Remember pokemon cards? paper that costs less then 0.01 to create selling for 20$ at the store.....
Because art grows on trees, and cards move themselves by drifting on air currents, and sales staff in game stores work for product and the warm, fuzzy feeling they get seeing customers' joyful faces.

File sharing laws are the only thing keeping back knowledge Information and overall freedom on the internet.
Bah. Information may want to be free, but those discovering (or even creating) and distributing it want to pay their bills. I think you need to take a closer look at what goes into creating games and getting them to market, because I think you're missing more than half the story here.

-- Steve
 

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lacktheknack said:
I think that the Robin Hood complex is no quite accurate... my pirate friends just want free junk.
the robin hood complex is refering to seeders, the people who distribute pirated material. i'm guessing your friends are just 'leecher' catagory
 

tthor

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ionveau said:
Its just greed get over yourselves, Did you notice how the price for COD 6 was more then for COD 4?
Remember to the days of your childhood, Remember how the TV ads would tell you to buy this game or that game, Remember pokemon cards? paper that costs less then 0.01 to create selling for 20$ at the store.....

Don't you understand, if the company knows they will sell alot of a product they will boost the price to suck out your money.

Also it annoys me how the AD tell the child "You need to buy this game its the best game ever"

lets jump to WoW, To play this game it will cost you $160 for the whole game and 15$ per month, Why? well any brain washed costumer with no info on the cost of servers will tell you most of the money gose to server up keep and development costs, The truth is for WoW to keep you connected for a whole month it will cost them $0.13 yes this with bandwidth and ETC, Have you seen that Russian free to play game Allods it is a copy of WoW,
Do you want to know why they don't charge 15$ a month? let me tell you, its not popular We the human race are Sheep we don't question things.

Why are outdated laws applied to new media? = Money
Why are we told to think file sharing is bad? = Propaganda
Why is installing an OS on more then 1 computer illegal? = Greed

File sharing laws are the only thing keeping back knowledge Information and overall freedom on the internet.

PS im not a pirate
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Community, meet Robin Hood.