Return Of Kings celebrate 'making The Force Awakens lose $4.2 mil'

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

I'm pretty adverse to the whole SJW movement. I simply view it as censorship hiding in behind the guise of liberalism and free speech.

But this one seems pretty off base. I wasn't a fan of Force Awakens, but its not SJW nonsense. Its just simply not a good movie.

 

[Lightspeaker]

Like, I enjoy a good laugh at someone who has such a severe case of anxiety over his penis and that the penises of actors in fiction movies as much as anyone else, but whoever writes this blog also seems to have a habit of resorting to "loser basement-dweller nerd" stereotypes and singling out and insulting people who are clearly struggling with social anxiety by picking on the same vulnerabilities that led to their frustration in the first place.

Except these people are essentially blaming people for their own attitudes, and willing to stoke up and reinforce hatred and bigotry to make themselves feel better, and getting into echo chambers where that attitude is reinforced, and strengthened and leads to some truly unpleasant abuse and harassment, and veneration of people who, say, kill their girlfriend for leaving them, or shooting up their school because their a virgin, or someone who may have crashed a passenger jet because his GF left him.

TIL that people suffering from social anxiety issues and depression are all part of echo chambers which leads to abusing people and murder.

Thanks for that. Very nice implications from your post. Nice of you to attack those with mental health issues, you are clearly very much part of the problem. Not coming back to this thread now because frankly I'm horrified by that attitude. Have a good New Year.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

So the prevailing thought is that these guys are basically shit-pistons with a chip on their shoulders. Have I got that right?

 

[Tsun Tzu]

Ok, so that's flat out retarded, but, ya know, good for them. Rah rah, fight the powah, etc.

I'm sure Disney is just hemorrhaging funds due to the actions of these idiots. I don't think they'll ever be able to recov- What's that? They've made over 1.3 billion and are on track for 1.5-1.7+?

My god! What will they do!?

As for the RoK/MRA/MGTOW thing? From what I understand, RoK hates everybody else. Everybody else hates them. I think they fall under the PUA banner though, if I'm not mistaken.

I don't know. It's so hard to keep up with all these fuckin' groups/labels/etc.

Its a site that basically uses MRA's, MGTOWS and PUA's own words to mock them. Picks out the cream of the awful things they're saying, and lets you read it with commentary, IE disinfectant through sunlight.

You can probably guess why some hate it and call it a 'hate site'

As to changing the thread title... Hmm, does ROK fall more under the MGTOW banner, or should I just say ROK?

People who read RoK with any degree of earnestness would probably describe it in much the same fashion. In fact, that same description could apply to damn near any ideological group that directly attacks its opponents.

Come on, man. You've got to at least see that much.

WHM is just a slightly different weed in the same fetid field.

 

[WindKnight]

TIL that people suffering from social anxiety issues and depression are all part of echo chambers which leads to abusing people and murder.

Thanks for that. Very nice implications from your post. Nice of you to attack those with mental health issues, you are clearly very much part of the problem. Not coming back to this thread now because frankly I'm horrified by that attitude. Have a good New Year.

Wow, nice job putting words in my mouth.

I'm someone who suffers from social anxiety to the point that I struggle to talk to people, and panic a lot in public. I, and many people with similar problems, do not choose to immerse themselves into toxic communities that tell us to hate and blame other people instead of getting help or just accepting our problems.

And when you are choosing bigotry and hatred over getting help...

 

[MishaK]

Who cares what a bunch of anonymous losers and scumbags claim? They're not a significant group of people, they're just loud online. They're generally unemployable, antisocial, and none too bright. That describes most of the world's losers, and since when do we care about the claims or credos of losers?

Nothing to see here.

 

[Lilani]

So basically it's like if I'll blame a <insert a popular feminist site/organization> in saying something like "we should emasculate all men" despite it being said by ?

In what way? ROK is an extreme anti-women group, and most groups who claim to be MRM are more anti-women than they are pro-men.

 

[one squirrel]

So basically it's like if I'll blame a <insert a popular feminist site/organization> in saying something like "we should emasculate all men" despite it being said by ?

In what way? ROK is an extreme anti-women group, and most groups who claim to be MRM are more anti-women than they are pro-men.

Do you understand that even if all MRMovements were anti-women and ROK were anti-women, that still wouldn't mean that ROK are part of the MRM? Pretty basic logic.

 

[default]

I'd wonder why anyone takes these people at face value. On the surface they look like a joke. But after skimming some of their articles there has been WAY too much effort put into this for someone just trying to stir shit. They're a pretty sad, deluded little person. And they're entirely convinced that you're the one that's deluded.

 

[Saltyk]

The movie has already made over 1 billion dollars. I don't think they're crying.

Seriously, I just saw it for the third time last night (mom wanted to see it again so I went with her) and the theater is was still almost at full capacity. 90% of the seats had to be taken. This movie is making money and Disney is not crying. I would not be surprised to hear it takes the spot as the highest grossing film of all time.

Now, as for the other claim:

What!? No seriously. What!? I'm not one to completely dismiss the whole Social Justice Warrior claim, out of hand, but how is The Force Awakens SJW drivel? Is it because one of the main characters is black and another is a woman? Since when does merely having characters that are not white males make the production some type of SJW work? The movie didn't try to act like this was noteworthy or even like white men are awful monsters and Rey and Finn are awesome because they aren't white men. Hell, Poe is a white man!

Are we certain this isn't Poe's Law in action? I can't imagine anyone would actually argue that TFA is a SJW work.

 

[Something Amyss]

Are we certain this isn't Poe's Law in action? I can't imagine anyone would actually argue that TFA is a SJW work.

Except what you've brought up is pretty much the bulk of the SJW bogeyman.

I know you say you're not one to dismiss the claim out of hand, but in practice? You are.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Oh yeah? Well, I single-handedly made sure that TFA earned an extra $17.2 million!

"Prove it"? I said it on the Internet; that's proof enough!

 

[Lilani]

So basically it's like if I'll blame a <insert a popular feminist site/organization> in saying something like "we should emasculate all men" despite it being said by ?

In what way? ROK is an extreme anti-women group, and most groups who claim to be MRM are more anti-women than they are pro-men.

I meant by the original thread title.

What I write below will inform my response to this.

So basically it's like if I'll blame a <insert a popular feminist site/organization> in saying something like "we should emasculate all men" despite it being said by ?

In what way? ROK is an extreme anti-women group, and most groups who claim to be MRM are more anti-women than they are pro-men.

Do you understand that even if all MRMovements were anti-women and ROK were anti-women, that still wouldn't mean that ROK are part of the MRM? Pretty basic logic.

That depends if you're referring to formally named MRM movements, or the general attitudes and issues most notoriously pushed by the MRM. To me, MRM isn't just a collection of groups or a movement, it's also a general attitude regarding men and men's issues. The same thing is done to feminism--people are called feminists based on certain things they agree with or issues they promote, whether or not they actually affiliate themselves with a specific feminist group or consider themselves a feminist. Feminism isn't attributed to just specific groups, certain issues or simply certain approaches to subjects can be considered feminist. Feminism is regarded as an ideology, not a formal group.

MRM seems to be heading down the same road. It's becoming dissociated from specific groups, and the specific issues and patterns of thought are becoming known in their own right. Between the anti-women groups who just want to blame women for all the problems in the world to the actually helpful groups who want to tackle real issues which need to be addressed (men being disadvantaged to women in custody battles, stigmas against men in child-care jobs, stigmas against male rape and domestic abuse victims, stigmas against men appearing feminine etc.), it's getting to a point where it's an ideology as opposed to a movement. And as such it's going to gain the advantages and disadvantages of being an ideology. One such advantage being that it's becoming larger and known outside of specific involved groups, and one such disadvantage being having to put up with crazy groups like ROK becoming associated with them due to marked similarities in parts of their ideologies.

That's the way I see it, anyway. Yes I understand that they consider themselves separate groups, but it's impossible to deny that if the values and beliefs of each group are taken out of context and separated from their labels, there is quite a bit of overlap in attitudes toward women. Christianity has to put up with being associated with the Westboro Baptist Church. Islam has to put up with being associated with terrorists. The civil rights movement has to put up with being associated with the black panthers. Feminism has to put up with being associated with Anita Sarkeesian. And the MRM is going to have to put up with the extreme ends of their value systems.

 

[RJ Dalton]

I'm going to quote King Arthur: "No, on second thought, let's not go to Twitter. It is a silly place."

 

[WindKnight]

MRM seems to be heading down the same road. It's becoming dissociated from specific groups, and the specific issues and patterns of thought are becoming known in their own right. Between the anti-women groups who just want to blame women for all the problems in the world to the actually helpful groups who want to tackle real issues which need to be addressed (men being disadvantaged to women in custody battles, stigmas against men in child-care jobs, stigmas against male rape and domestic abuse victims, stigmas against men appearing feminine etc.), it's getting to a point where it's an ideology as opposed to a movement. And as such it's going to gain the advantages and disadvantages of being an ideology. One such advantage being that it's becoming larger and known outside of specific involved groups, and one such disadvantage being having to put up with crazy groups like ROK becoming associated with them due to marked similarities in parts of their ideologies.

I've generally found movements actually concerned with addressing the way society disadvantages men specifically avoid using the terms MRA or MRM because they are well aware most movements who describe themselves as being MRA's reactionary movements about hating women and feminism.

 

[Saltyk]

Are we certain this isn't Poe's Law in action? I can't imagine anyone would actually argue that TFA is a SJW work.

Except what you've brought up is pretty much the bulk of the SJW bogeyman.

I know you say you're not one to dismiss the claim out of hand, but in practice? You are.

The problem is that it is nigh impossible to tell when someone is being sincere or just taking the piss. So, with these guys I'm inclined to think this is an example of someone parodying the way people think some group talks. However, I can't rule out that they aren't just stupid.

It cuts both ways. I'm not going to get in an argument about this on the internet. Doubly so on this site, as I know how the more vocal people on this site feel on certain subjects. Just know that I'll call out stupid when I see it. And this is stupid at worst and a parody at best.

 

[JemothSkarii]

Huh, I always thought ROK were Traditionalists or Alt-Cons or something.

But then the lolMRAs thing starts to flare up eerily similar to lolFeminists. People never seem to see parallels.

As others have said, $4.2mill is a drop in the bucket for Disney, and even just Star Wars. There was no way that this movie wasn't going to make a shitload of money.
Cute that they think it makes any sort of impact.

 

[Lilani]

MRM seems to be heading down the same road. It's becoming dissociated from specific groups, and the specific issues and patterns of thought are becoming known in their own right. Between the anti-women groups who just want to blame women for all the problems in the world to the actually helpful groups who want to tackle real issues which need to be addressed (men being disadvantaged to women in custody battles, stigmas against men in child-care jobs, stigmas against male rape and domestic abuse victims, stigmas against men appearing feminine etc.), it's getting to a point where it's an ideology as opposed to a movement. And as such it's going to gain the advantages and disadvantages of being an ideology. One such advantage being that it's becoming larger and known outside of specific involved groups, and one such disadvantage being having to put up with crazy groups like ROK becoming associated with them due to marked similarities in parts of their ideologies.

I've generally found movements actually concerned with addressing the way society disadvantages men specifically avoid using the terms MRA or MRM because they are well aware most movements who describe themselves as being MRA's reactionary movements about hating women and feminism.

True, and I've observed the same thing. But if it becomes as defined of an ideology as feminism, the labels of MRA and MRM are likely to stick, even if just to refer to those reactionary movements.

 

[Bat Vader]

ROK, MRAs, MRMs, and SJWs all sound pretty unpleasant to me. I'm sure Disney is real sad losing out on what is considered chump change to them.

 

[Something Amyss]

It cuts both ways.

And yet somehow, this leads to you treating a false concept with validity. That's not "cutting both ways," that's a false appeal to centrism. And I don't want to argue with that anyway. But it's fundamentally dishonest.

Oh yeah? Well, I single-handedly made sure that TFA earned an extra $17.2 million!

"Prove it"? I said it on the Internet; that's proof enough!

I don't know, I saw a quote from Abraham Lincoln about not trust everything you read on the internet....

I've generally found movements actually concerned with addressing the way society disadvantages men specifically avoid using the terms MRA or MRM because they are well aware most movements who describe themselves as being MRA's reactionary movements about hating women and feminism.

Yeah, it's weird in that you tend to see those evil feminist SJW lizardwomen do more to address men's issues than you tend to see from "MRAs." "Men's Rights" groups, at least the ones that keep coming up, seem to be almost exclusively reactionary.