Review: Saw

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Should have went with Borderlands. Now that I have that out of the way, good review. I have only one true question, wouldn't it be easier to just blow everybody away then go through the game? In true aspects to the movies there should only be like 10 people in the building right? Either way, I like the idea that the game makes you think before you act, nice change from run and gun.
 

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Any particular reason why you guys never tag the reviews with which platform the game is for, like every other site? Or are you working under the assumption that we all have every gaming platform available to us?
Because right now, if I see a review of a game that interests me on this site, I find myself going to a different website and reading their review, just because I can immediately find out what platform it's released for, and save myself the trouble if it's one I do not own.

Just wondering!
 

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THIS! THIS THIS THIS IS WHAT MOVIE BASED GAMES HAVE TO BE LIKE, CAPTURE THE ESSENCE OF THE FILM BY ADAPTING A NEW GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE TO IT!

Seriously, this one looks like it could be worth a damn. Better than any of those Pixar games
 

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Byers said:
Any particular reason why you guys never tag the reviews with which platform the game is for, like every other site? Or are you working under the assumption that we all have every gaming platform available to us?
Because right now, if I see a review of a game that interests me on this site, I find myself going to a different website and reading their review, just because I can immediately find out what platform it's released for, and save myself the trouble if it's one I do not own.

Just wondering!
Ack, you are absolutely right. That's an oversight on my part. I shall update the review accordingly.

Apologies for not including such important information.
 

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Im waiting for this to come out in Europe, looking forwards to a good puzzle game, be the first i will own on my xbox!
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Bzzt BZZZZT!!! ...It's a saw. See what I did there? Yeah. Ok. Moving on.
Yeah... alright Susan. I got it... *Backs away slowly, looking for a blunt object to defend himself with*

OT: Seriously, it took them six movies (and quite frankly, they should have stopped at two) to come up with the idea to do a game for it? I love puzzle games, and one that's horror based does have a tendency to whet my appetite (the Silent Hill series is a prime example). Its a shame the controls suck, as you seem to allude to. I might rent this. Thanks for the review.
 

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Saw isn't based on horror movies since the Saw series isn't part of the horror genre and I will personally punch you in the face if you say otherwise.

So yeah I hate the movies so I will probably hate the game and I won't give it a chance to impress me.

But it's a nice review.
 

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Vlane said:
Saw isn't based on horror movies since the Saw series isn't part of the horror genre and I will personally punch you in the face if you say otherwise.

So yeah I hate the movies so I will probably hate the game and I won't give it a chance to impress me.

But it's a nice review.
Oh, really? You're going to punch me in the face? Good to know.

No, if you hate of the movies -- which are horror, whether you like them or not -- you will almost assuredly hate this game, as it is drenched in the franchise's trappings.
 

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"move-based games" Susan? I think you're missing an "i" there. We all make mistakes but I'm just letting you know. This looks more like a rental game, it's not quite Silent Hill but I'm a fan so I'll give it a go. Good review as always.
 

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Ooh, thanks for the review. I'll give it a rental if I can find it, though I find it heartening to hear of a good movie based game. (Man, I sounded camp in that first sentence.)
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Oh, really? You're going to punch me in the face? Good to know.
Damn it. Why do you have to respond? I can't hurt you.

Susan Arendt said:
which are horror, whether you like them or not
No The Exorcist is a horror movie. The Saw series belongs to the torture porn genre or snuff movies. You watch a Saw movie to see the death scenes, which are good, but you don't watch them to get scared and I have no idea how you can get scared watching that.
 

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Love the review and the game looks good, but I've got a ton of other games ahead of this one on the list of games to play, so I doubt I'll ever get to it unless I find it in a cheap bin or a pawn shop somewhere... which sucks because I know I'd enjoy this title.
 

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Vlane said:
Susan Arendt said:
Oh, really? You're going to punch me in the face? Good to know.
Damn it. Why do you have to respond? I can't hurt you.

Susan Arendt said:
which are horror, whether you like them or not
No The Exorcist is a horror movie. The Saw series belongs to the torture porn genre or snuff movies. You watch a Saw movie to see the death scenes, which are good, but you don't watch them to get scared and I have no idea how you can get scared watching that.
You seem to have a very specific view of what constitutes a horror movie. I certainly agree that The Exorcist is a horror movie, but the Saw films - gratuitous though they may be - certainly qualify, as well. (Especially the first one, which has a more sophisticated story than just "let's find creative ways to kill people.") Now, don't get me wrong, they're not good movies. The writing is a joke and the plots are threadbare excuses to set up the next kill. And yes, the Saw films did usher in the torture porn genre, in much the same way that the original Halloween (one of the best horror movies of all time, IMO), ushered in the 80s glut of slasher flicks. Horror films are cyclic - the popularity of The Ring created the PG-13 horror genre, leading to movies being cut specifically to fit that rating.
 

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Well, I know reviews are subjective, and I usually judge games on aggregates and averages. I'm a bit surprised you commented on the puzzles as most all other reviewers say after you figured out the first few puzzles, you more or less figured them all out....Rinse and repeat...Did you notice that when you played?

GR gave it a 67%
Metacritic a 64%
And even OXM who usually gives ridiculously higher scores for once gave it a 4.5/10.
 

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I'm going to have to disagree with you about saying it's not Survival Horror. As far as I'm aware, survival horror and puzzles usually go hand in hand.
 

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The saw movies never appealed to me, I don't know why but the whole idea of them just never excited me. Yet for some reason I got very excited when I heard about this game during E3 and that it didn't suck. I'm wary though, I haven't rented a game in years; the last ones being the 2 Fullmetal Alchemist games for the ps2(awesome games for anyone who loves the series), but blockbuster may see me as a customer in the near future to try this one out.
 

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Vlane said:
Susan Arendt said:
Oh, really? You're going to punch me in the face? Good to know.
Damn it. Why do you have to respond? I can't hurt you.

Susan Arendt said:
which are horror, whether you like them or not
No The Exorcist is a horror movie. The Saw series belongs to the torture porn genre or snuff movies. You watch a Saw movie to see the death scenes, which are good, but you don't watch them to get scared and I have no idea how you can get scared watching that.
I think Stephen King's defense of the "torture porn" genre (albeit stated in response to criticism of the abysmal-for-reasons-not-relating-to-torture-porn-status Hostel Part II) applies here: "horror" is an evolving genre. What scared people years ago won't scare people as much now (Poltergeist was considered the scariest thing ever in the '70s. Now barely tingles a spine today). And what scares people today probably won't have as much impact twenty years from now. The "torture porn" genre does what it sets out to do: to get under the skin of the viewers and disturb them, even frighten them. Saw is, indeed, noteworthy for its elaborate deathtraps and gory death sequences, but as Susan mentioned in her review, it's also about Jigsaw, a villain who isn't like the slasher villains of yore, who delivers wonderfully chilling performances every time.

I'm not going to hold up the franchise as a bastion of amazing and coherent storytelling (as much as I love the movies and enjoyed the game, I'll be first to say the plots are laughable at best and incoherent and nonsensical at worst), but it sets out to be more psychological than other franchises. The villain honestly thinks he is doing good work and doing the world a favor with his sadistic games. More to the point, he thinks he's doing the victims a favor. It disturbs you by attempting (with varying success) to turn the good and evil dichotomy of horror upside down. The first movie was remarkable in its rather minimalist approach (other than the elaborate traps featured early in the movie and the reverse bear trap sequence, the majority of the story takes place in one room, with the main characters barely moving from their positions, and yet still manages to be unnerving and spooky).

As for the review, it was excellent. I agree with it wholeheartedly. It's definitely more of a rental if you're not a die-hard Saw fan, but it's also definitely worth at least giving a try if you're a fan of survival horror or puzzlers. (I played the 360 version of it myself, and yes, the controls are just as shoddy. I shudder to think what the PC version will be like, having played the PC version of Silent Hill: Homecoming.)
 

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Susan Arendt said:
Vlane said:
Susan Arendt said:
Oh, really? You're going to punch me in the face? Good to know.
Damn it. Why do you have to respond? I can't hurt you.

Susan Arendt said:
which are horror, whether you like them or not
No The Exorcist is a horror movie. The Saw series belongs to the torture porn genre or snuff movies. You watch a Saw movie to see the death scenes, which are good, but you don't watch them to get scared and I have no idea how you can get scared watching that.
You seem to have a very specific view of what constitutes a horror movie. I certainly agree that The Exorcist is a horror movie, but the Saw films - gratuitous though they may be - certainly qualify, as well. [cut] in much the same way that the original Halloween (one of the best horror movies of all time, IMO), ushered in the 80s glut of slasher flicks. Horror films are cyclic - the popularity of The Ring created the PG-13 horror genre, leading to movies being cut specifically to fit that rating.
What actually qualifies SAW as a Horror, I can understand Halloween and The Ring being more atmospherically based alongside tension build ups etc.

SAW is pretty much

1. Puppeteer who has as much anger vs the world as an angsty teenage girl except has the means to carry out his plans.
2. Dark Dreary atmosphere
3. Over the top, unnecessary gore filler
4. Terrible writing and acting
5. A movie for kids below the age of 17.
 

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Vlane said:
Susan Arendt said:
Oh, really? You're going to punch me in the face? Good to know.
Damn it. Why do you have to respond? I can't hurt you.

Susan Arendt said:
which are horror, whether you like them or not
No The Exorcist is a horror movie. The Saw series belongs to the torture porn genre or snuff movies. You watch a Saw movie to see the death scenes, which are good, but you don't watch them to get scared and I have no idea how you can get scared watching that.
You get off on bloody neck stumps?

Most of us care about our fellow human being enough at least be afraid FOR them. Saw is horror weather you like it or not.

After all, horror is an evolving genre. Saw is just different horror.
 

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Alone Disciple said:
Well, I know reviews are subjective, and I usually judge games on aggregates and averages. I'm a bit surprised you commented on the puzzles as most all other reviewers say after you figured out the first few puzzles, you more or less figured them all out....Rinse and repeat...Did you notice that when you played?

GR gave it a 67%
Metacritic a 64%
And even OXM who usually gives ridiculously higher scores for once gave it a 4.5/10.
There is a lot of repetition to the puzzles, yeah. Even one that aren't specific repeats are very similar thematically. But I still thought they were clever, on the whole. I personally appreciated a more "in your head" approach, as opposed to running from zombies and shooting everything in sight. (Not that I don't love those games, too.)

Think of it as more of an "E for Effort" than actually "this game is high quality," if you like, as that's more accurate.
 

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If it's anything like the first Saw movie, then I might buy it. I didn't relly like any of the movies past number 2, and that was pushing it a bit.
 

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WHENTWOTRIBESGOTOWAR said:
Susan Arendt said:
Vlane said:
Susan Arendt said:
Oh, really? You're going to punch me in the face? Good to know.
Damn it. Why do you have to respond? I can't hurt you.

Susan Arendt said:
which are horror, whether you like them or not
No The Exorcist is a horror movie. The Saw series belongs to the torture porn genre or snuff movies. You watch a Saw movie to see the death scenes, which are good, but you don't watch them to get scared and I have no idea how you can get scared watching that.
You seem to have a very specific view of what constitutes a horror movie. I certainly agree that The Exorcist is a horror movie, but the Saw films - gratuitous though they may be - certainly qualify, as well. [cut] in much the same way that the original Halloween (one of the best horror movies of all time, IMO), ushered in the 80s glut of slasher flicks. Horror films are cyclic - the popularity of The Ring created the PG-13 horror genre, leading to movies being cut specifically to fit that rating.
What actually qualifies SAW as a Horror, I can understand Halloween and The Ring being more atmospherically based alongside tension build ups etc.

SAW is pretty much

1. Puppeteer who has as much anger vs the world as an angsty teenage girl except has the means to carry out his plans.
2. Dark Dreary atmosphere
3. Over the top, unnecessary gore filler
4. Terrible writing and acting
5. A movie for kids below the age of 17.
Ok, let's all agree right now that the Saw movies aren't good movies. You are absolutely correct that the writing and acting are bad, and that they're about as sophisticated as my cat. But not being a good movie doesn't mean it's not a horror movie. You don't like the protagonist, but the godlike villain is a staple of horror, as is the dark, dreary atmosphere, the isolation, the feeling of helplessness, and so forth. Are there better examples of horror? Sure. But that doesn't mean Saw isn't horror.
 

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Wow, I thought this would suck. I mean, after Saw III and IV...

Btw, this still isn't the game with the most exploded heads ever. Try playing PsiOps - every time you sneak-sap someone, their head bursts from your PSYCHIC ABILITIES!!!
Catchy Slogan said:
If it's anything like the first Saw movie, then I might buy it. I didn't relly like any of the movies past number 2, and that was pushing it a bit.
Pretty much my thoughts. Especially since I watched the first 3 movies one after another with few of my friends and we all agreed that 1 was great, 2 was okay, 3 was meh.

...Just like Matrix.
 

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My instructor for a "Gothic Horror Literature" class (which was a lot of fun) basically described "horror" as the only genre that is named after a familiar emotion, fear. There are also games, books and movies that have horrific elements but are not labeled as "horror", per se. I'm a fan of the "King's Field" games for the Playstation/Playstation 2 consoles, and while the game was good for an FPS RPG, the game(s) did well in capturing the feel of a dungeon that it was a little creepy (especially with those damn transparent ghosts).

On Topic: Nice Review Susan. It seems like it's going back to the original roots of the first two (though I think the first one was the best so far). It's also nice to see the idea of horror games branching off to other genres besides adventure/action gameplay. This kind of reminds me of a grim/gritty version of "Spy vs. Spy".
 

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Abedeus said:
Wow, I thought this would suck. I mean, after Saw III and IV...

Btw, this still isn't the game with the most exploded heads ever. Try playing PsiOps - every time you sneak-sap someone, their head bursts from your PSYCHIC ABILITIES!!!
Catchy Slogan said:
If it's anything like the first Saw movie, then I might buy it. I didn't relly like any of the movies past number 2, and that was pushing it a bit.
Pretty much my thoughts. Especially since I watched the first 3 movies one after another with few of my friends and we all agreed that 1 was great, 2 was okay, 3 was meh.

...Just like Matrix.
I'd have to say the game is probably closer to the second movie than the first. It's set between those two and uses the characters from the first, but it has the same "one large environment trap broken into a series of smaller trials" set up as the second (or probably closer to the third, since all of the trials involve one person having to try to save other people). It was, however, written by James Wan and Leigh Whannell, the writers of the first movie, and they also helped to design the traps.
 

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I am going to give this game a try ;) hope i like the game as much as the movies :D
 

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Good review, I didn't even know Saw the game was even out. :/
I saw two Saw movies, the first one was okay but the ending was predictable, the second movie was horrible but I couldn't guess what the ending was.
What movie was the game more along the lines of if you don't mind me asking?
 

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Nice review, I thought that saw was going to be beyond bad, but you've convinced me it might not be. I still wont get it though...
 

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Catchy Slogan said:
If it's anything like the first Saw movie, then I might buy it. I didn't relly like any of the movies past number 2, and that was pushing it a bit.
Yeah, same here. I really like the first movie but the others aren't that great. But the game looks interesting.
 

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CaptainChaosify said:
Good review, I didn't even know Saw the game was even out. :/
I saw two Saw movies, the first one was okay but the ending was predictable, the second movie was horrible but I couldn't guess what the ending was.
What movie was the game more along the lines of if you don't mind me asking?
Hmm...I don't want to give away a lot for the folks who might enjoy playing it, but given that you play as Detective Tapp and run into more than one person from his past...it's kind of like a blend of 2 and 3. It's definitely more trap-based than the original Saw, which had a far more robust storyline.
 

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So the game has a creepy and unsettling atmosphere, it's based on a series of horror films, and the entire objective of the game itself is to survive... but it's not survival horror?

I'm incredibly confused by this concept and if someone could explain it to me then I would greatly appreciate it. Plus to narrowly define survival horror and then defend saw against other peoples narrow definitions of horror seems kinda... funny
 

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Taerdin said:
So the game has a creepy and unsettling atmosphere, it's based on a series of horror films, and the entire objective of the game itself is to survive... but it's not survival horror?

I'm incredibly confused by this concept and if someone could explain it to me then I would greatly appreciate it. Plus to narrowly define survival horror and then defend saw against other peoples narrow definitions of horror seems kinda... funny
Yeah, I knew I was going to get an argument on the survival horror line. :) Well, to my mind, at least, survival horror involves an impending threat from an outside enemy -- zombies, monsters, ghosts, whathaveyou, which is not the case with Saw. So it's not survival horror in the typical sense. That's my personal take on it, anyway, but your mileage may vary.
 

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Fools! All horror movies are inferior in the prescence of The Shining (Best horror movie ever IMO)! :)

Saw could've been much better, it had a good concept but decided to focus on gore rather than a psychological element of horror, which would have been much more frightening. That said, time limits have always made me nervous in games and that combined with what appear to be reasonably tough puzzles should make my heart pump, a definite rental.
 

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I was quite surprised. I was expecting another bad movie game, and admittedly I only played because as terrible as the movies are getting I'm a Saw fan through and through and I wanted to know every little detail. If anything my biggest complaint is from a story perspective. Everything is a bit lacking, but not so much it ruins the game, so you can kind of accept the little tics here and there once you get into it, and know how to play it properly (as mentioned, traps not hand to hand, unless you've got a one hit kill weapon or the cro-magnum). But story wise, I just don't think Tapp was really the most interesting character they could have picked. But the other details make it worthwhile, like who is the pig face? Where is the asylum? Related to the real estate deal gone wrong from Saw V perhaps? It's less the main focus of the game and more the subtle details that make it worth playing. It's a bloody treasure trove of easter eggs for the devoted fan (Hey it's the razor wire! Awesome, the shotgun traps! Holy shit dude Iron Maiden!), but damn it I want to know what happened to Dr. Gordon.

Down side was it only took me about five hours to play through, and I got snagged a couple of times, so not much incentive for a buy.
 

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That opening bit with the Saw had me on the floor laughing. No joke. I really did ROTFLOL

Great review!
 

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Vlane said:
Saw isn't based on horror movies since the Saw series isn't part of the horror genre and I will personally punch you in the face if you say otherwise.
If you say "torture porn" you're the one that's getting a punch in the face... and groin.
 

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Played the game through, and I have to say, I was really surprised. The combat is mostly broken, but once you get a hand of the stupid dodge, it's tolerable. The cool thing, though, is that you don't have to beat others to death. Some enemies have timed traps such as the reverse bear trap or the Venus fly-trap, and they will go off on the enemy if he doesn't kill you in time. So you just have to run an lock doors behind you and wait for their traps to go off. You can also find schematics to build your own traps and lay them around. However, the game absolutely nails the atmosphere and tone of the film. I think fans of the film are the ones who going to most appreciate the game.
 

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I'd just let the head, bodies, and whatever just explode from random. Oh dark hallway RUN! *pop* LOL. It be my way of mocking horror films XD
 

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Abedeus said:
Wow, I thought this would suck. I mean, after Saw III and IV...

Btw, this still isn't the game with the most exploded heads ever. Try playing PsiOps - every time you sneak-sap someone, their head bursts from your PSYCHIC ABILITIES!!!
Catchy Slogan said:
If it's anything like the first Saw movie, then I might buy it. I didn't relly like any of the movies past number 2, and that was pushing it a bit.
Pretty much my thoughts. Especially since I watched the first 3 movies one after another with few of my friends and we all agreed that 1 was great, 2 was okay, 3 was meh.

...Just like Matrix.
Yeah, I watched the first Saw and never saw the other ones. I really didn't see the point of continuing. I mean, I watched that movie and had to pick my jaw off the floor at the end. That's just me anyway. I'm sure you intelligent folks weren't impressed, but man, I literally could not leave until I watched the whole movie.

I mean, Jigsaw was there the whole time in the room with them! Those two guys knew that Jigsaw was watching them, but the idea that he was just inches away from the them! And then you realize that that glowing thing that went down the drain at the very beginning of the movie was the key to get out, but it's gone, and now this guy has absolutely no chance to escape. And the other guy trying to go for help is slowly bleeding to death and was most likely killed by Jigsaw when he left the other guy to rot in that bathroom. That ending always sticks with me. Why make another movie after that? You know, unless you can pull that off again.

I still want to play the game. I watched my roommate play a bit, and I agree about the voice acting. Not so great. It doesn't match the situation too well.

You save that screamy guy from getting sliced open, and it's all, "It's all your fault I'm here!" Well, you're a bad man! I was just doing my job!" This is the kind of conversation I expect to hear on Law and Order, not in a death labyrinth with massive amounts of death traps. Priorities, guys, come on! Where's the frantic fear of death? The real fury at being involved at all?

Oh yeah, that one conversation between Tapp's dead partner's wife and Jigsaw kinda made me lol. "You and your death traps are responsible for my husband's death." "Hey, I just set up the traps, it's not my fault Tapp wasn't smart enough to keep your husband from getting killed." "You're right! I'll kill Tapp!" ...Well, that was easy. It's like she's subscribing to the logic of hate the player, not the game.
 

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Oh, one other thing about the voice acting that I neglected to mention - the barks repeat incessantly. The other inmates simply don't have enough to say. While I agree that someone with a shotgun collar beeping like mad around their neck isn't likely to be an amazing conversationalist, he'd likely say more than just "I have to do this!" over and over again.
 

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sorry susan, I have to agree with Vlane

Movies like Saw, Hostel, Hills Have Eyes...its torture porn, its not horror

Call it an Ultra-violent thriller if you want, but my eye for horror is like, supernatural things like ghosts, aliens or mutated serial killers

Thats extremely narrow minded of me I know, but I will accept that Saw stands up there above every other torture porn (aside final destination 1 & 2) by actually having an interesting story and well developed recurring characters (not the silly impale-fodder)

Me, myself...i hate gratuitous...violence for the sake of violence that the cinema's seem to be caked with these days

28 days later, BEST HORROR EVER....homage to the fact that you dont need to make people jump to be scary, and dont need to pull out peoples rib cages to be disturbing
 

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Dark Templar said:
Vlane said:
Susan Arendt said:
Oh, really? You're going to punch me in the face? Good to know.
Damn it. Why do you have to respond? I can't hurt you.

Susan Arendt said:
which are horror, whether you like them or not
No The Exorcist is a horror movie. The Saw series belongs to the torture porn genre or snuff movies. You watch a Saw movie to see the death scenes, which are good, but you don't watch them to get scared and I have no idea how you can get scared watching that.
You get off on bloody neck stumps?

Most of us care about our fellow human being enough at least be afraid FOR them. Saw is horror weather you like it or not.

After all, horror is an evolving genre. Saw is just different horror.
"Horror Weather" Now that would be a great movie.

At any rate. I haven't the ability to feel for the people in Saw mainly because of how poorly they are setup. The entire plot is so weak I almost expect an off stage personality to walk in and explain to us why the next scene is important.

Generally speaking nothing like saw, or any gore related movie, scares me. It just grosses me out. Which I can get from a short romp of watching someone eat pig testicles on some reality TV show.

Fear is instilled quite easily when you built up concern for a character, when you help make them relate able, that way when the scene begins it isn't them in the scene...it is you. You watching the world crumble around you as something you once thought certain and secure is taken from you.

At least that is how I've always looked at it. It is also the only time I get anxiety in a movie like that. So far of the Saw's I've seen the only emotion I've got was "Really?" Whenever the trap was something that would cause a person to sooner go into shock than actually finish. Yes...yes jigsaw...certainly going into shock will help that 60 second timer seem all the more reasonable...

At any rate I tried to make this less a bash on another 'invincible' title and more my take on horror (there are certain movies, music, and games that nobody can badmouth without being called out on it for trying to 'look cool' this usually is one of them).

Gore Porn is just like reality TV, it is cheap and easy, that is the real reason folks do it. Why pay a writer when you can just get drunk and write down different ways to abuse cutlery and shop tools?

Susan Arendt said:
Oh, one other thing about the voice acting that I neglected to mention - the barks repeat incessantly. The other inmates simply don't have enough to say. While I agree that someone with a shotgun collar beeping like mad around their neck isn't likely to be an amazing conversationalist, he'd likely say more than just "I have to do this!" over and over again.
Never dated a pushy guy who really wanted a kiss? :p
 

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Susan Arendt said:
WHENTWOTRIBESGOTOWAR said:
What actually qualifies SAW as a Horror, I can understand Halloween and The Ring being more atmospherically based alongside tension build ups etc.

SAW is pretty much

1. Puppeteer who has as much anger vs the world as an angsty teenage girl except has the means to carry out his plans.
2. Dark Dreary atmosphere
3. Over the top, unnecessary gore filler
4. Terrible writing and acting
5. A movie for kids below the age of 17.
Ok, let's all agree right now that the Saw movies aren't good movies. You are absolutely correct that the writing and acting are bad, and that they're about as sophisticated as my cat. But not being a good movie doesn't mean it's not a horror movie. You don't like the protagonist, but the godlike villain is a staple of horror, as is the dark, dreary atmosphere, the isolation, the feeling of helplessness, and so forth. Are there better examples of horror? Sure. But that doesn't mean Saw isn't horror.
I have to agree with this. Saw does count as horror, even if the movies pretty much suck (I kind of liked the first one, but after that...). Remember, most horror nowadays has (or tries to have) the above list's content, especially bad writing. In movies with a human antagonist, the antagonist is either:

A: A souless monster. Probably undead (Friday the 13th)
B: An angst / anger filled person bent on killing people. May or may not be undead. (The Ring, The Grudge)
C: Someone absolutely out of their mind (Halloween remakes)

That being said, the game actually looks like it is better than the movies. If I ever have the time, I may rent this game.
 

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CaptainChaosify said:
Good review, I didn't even know Saw the game was even out. :/
I saw two Saw movies, the first one was okay but the ending was predictable, the second movie was horrible but I couldn't guess what the ending was.
What movie was the game more along the lines of if you don't mind me asking?
Hmm...I don't want to give away a lot for the folks who might enjoy playing it, but given that you play as Detective Tapp and run into more than one person from his past...it's kind of like a blend of 2 and 3. It's definitely more trap-based than the original Saw, which had a far more robust storyline.
Sounds interesting.
Worth renting the game at least just to see what it is like. Thank you.
 

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Nice review. For a game that was completely off my radar it has made me think about getting it.
 

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Vlane said:
Saw isn't based on horror movies since the Saw series isn't part of the horror genre and I will personally punch you in the face if you say otherwise.

So yeah I hate the movies so I will probably hate the game and I won't give it a chance to impress me.

But it's a nice review.
Saw 1 through 3 are definitely Horror. No doubt about it. They're in a tradition that goes back to Poe (although this time, the Pendulum frequently fails to stop swinging).

Saw 4 onwards are definitely...debatable. There's no suspense, because we don't care about or believe in any of the characters (usually deliberately), there's none of the campy 'frights' that make up the rest of the horror genre as I understand it. There's no horror in the things, how can they be considered horror?

Marble Hornets is ten times scarier even than the best instalment of the series, the first. And it's essentially no-budget. Make of that what you will.

The later Saw films are just a filmed version of Mousetrap (Ok, yeah, I know that already exists). And someone dies when the little guy jumps off the diving board.


This game looks quite good. Beginning to get sick of the continuity though, it no maek sens.

wouldyoukindly99 said:
Susan Arendt said:
Fools! All horror movies are inferior in the prescence of The Shining (Best horror movie ever IMO)! :)

Saw could've been much better, it had a good concept but decided to focus on gore rather than a psychological element of horror, which would have been much more frightening. That said, time limits have always made me nervous in games and that combined with what appear to be reasonably tough puzzles should make my heart pump, a definite rental.
nojustno

Hate The Shining.

Book much better. Muchmuchbetter. Kubrick vastly over-rated. Only film not completely ruined by him, Clockwork Orange, which no-one could ever ruin anyway. It's still significantly poorly directed.

Jesus, I may never forgive Kubrick for that cheesy adaptation, and for RUINING the end of bloody A.I. Which was amazing until the point that Haley survives the fall . And apparently, it wasn't Spielberg who tacked the shitty ending on.