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Casual Shinji said:
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And all of it was accompanied by excessive amounts of death, destruction, and military bravado,
What's that? Aliens invade Earth, people die, and the military gets involved? Why, it's almost like that's exactly what WOULD happen if the kryptonians invaded in real life.
Yeah, and that's why Man of Steel is so fondly remembered, and why the DCEU hasn't been course correcting ever since. Because of Snyder's well-loved "realistic" portrayal of Superman (and Batman, because if you don't think superheroes should kill then fuck you, grow up).

Also note that I said 'excessive'. The core tenet of Man of Steel (and BvS) isn't 'what would happen' it's 'how can we make this go *RAAARR*SMASH*KABOOM*' preferably while having the hero be super mopey. Zack Snyder can only express himself on film through (edgy) excess, which might work for something like 300, but is a bit of an ill fit for Superman (not to mention Watchmen).
I still feel Man of Steel gets way too much hate from "film critics" and certain YT personalities on the Internet. The movie is great aside from the color palette and some pacing problems. I know the old guard and certain parts of the Superman fandom hold the Christopher Reeves films in high regards, but none of them are flawless movies and have problems. Not to mention only two of them are good, depending on the cut. III is a waste of time, and IV is so bad, it's good. Nobody even remembers Superman Returns. Not even my father, and he's a Superman/Batman nut.


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Okay, seriously, did the definition of grimdark shift in the last decade? Because apart from BvS, no DCEU has even come close to being grimdark.
Superman saved the day in Man of Steel in the end. It was either have Zod's necked snap or have him ravage the entire world. And it would be grim dark if it was the latter.
And all of it was accompanied by excessive amounts of death, destruction, and military bravado, because Zack Snyder can't take superheroes seriously unless they're killing and screwing eachother. Didn't he also want Batman to have been raped in prison? That dude is just perpetually trapped in the 90's.
If the 2010s-2020s Superhero movies are gonna be more like Shazam!! then fuck that shit.

And I don't mind that he wants Batman raped in Prison. That would be a very interesting character development for him.

But still I just wish DC movies were more like Alex Ross' comic books in terms of tone at the very least.
Sam, go home, your.....I don't know what the fuck you are on with that middle statement, but whatever. Whatever future films comes out, nobody cares or loses sleep, if you don't bother to see them.
 

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I still feel Man of Steel gets way too much hate from "film critics" and certain YT personalities on the Internet. The movie is great aside from the color palette and some pacing problems. I know the old guard and certain parts of the Superman fandom hold the Christopher Reeves films in high regards, but none of them are flawless movies and have problems. Not to mention only two of them are good, depending on the cut. III is a waste of time, and IV is so bad, it's good. Nobody even remembers Superman Returns. Not even my father, and he's a Superman/Batman nut.
I don't think there's a single good Superman movie, live-action anyway. So I'm not really coming at it as a Reeves fanboy. (To be clear, I think Reeves is an excellent Superman, I just don't think the movies are really any good. Same with Henry Cavill.)

Man of Steel would've been fine if it had simply withheld on the destruction boner, and not having that destruction framed as Superman being heroic and saving the Earth. There's nothing horribly wrong with the script, it's just Snyder having some weird distain for superheroes who don't express their power through violence. I haven't seen Justice League, but I did catch the end credits scene, and it was shocking to see Cavill's Superman be a chill friendly guy who seemed to have some joy... like he's a big blue boyscout.
 

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Is Willem Defoe's pipe upside down or is it just me?
It's so it doesn't get wet from rain. Old-timey smoking method.
 
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What I'd actually like to know is if the film is set before the events of BvS or after the events of Justice League. Because if it's the latter, we'd have to ask how Batman apparently became younger.
*shrug* Maybe he's playing Terry McGinnis and we'll see Batman and Bruce Wayne bicker on the silver screen.
That'd be GREAT. Live Action Batman Beyond is long overdue IMHO, but at the same time, doubt it's the case.
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If the 2010s-2020s Superhero movies are gonna be more like Shazam!! then fuck that shit.
More independent in tone and spirit, and standing on their own legs, instead of being streamlined to fit "cinematic universe" frames?
I'd be down for that.

And I don't mind that he wants Batman raped in Prison. That would be a very interesting character development for him.

1. Why would Batman, of all people, get raped in prison?
2. What kind of a "character development" would that provide?
 

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What I'd actually like to know is if the film is set before the events of BvS or after the events of Justice League. Because if it's the latter, we'd have to ask how Batman apparently became younger.
*shrug* Maybe he's playing Terry McGinnis and we'll see Batman and Bruce Wayne bicker on the silver screen.
That'd be GREAT. Live Action Batman Beyond is long overdue IMHO, but at the same time, doubt it's the case.
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If the 2010s-2020s Superhero movies are gonna be more like Shazam!! then fuck that shit.
More independent in tone and spirit, and standing on their own legs, instead of being streamlined to fit "cinematic universe" frames?
I'd be down for that.

And I don't mind that he wants Batman raped in Prison. That would be a very interesting character development for him.

1. Why would Batman, of all people, get raped in prison?
2. What kind of a "character development" would that provide?[/quote]

I never said it was good character development. I just said it was interesting. Because how the fuck would they pull this off at all?
 

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To Quote Linkara on the whole rape thing:

Rape is not a subject to be treated lightly, and certainly not something to be used in the way it?s used here [the coming he was reviewing at the time]. Rape is often employed by writers, not because they have a story they want to tell about rape, but because rape is something that ?happens to women.? Not in the real world sense, of course, rape is something that can and does happen to people from all genders, ages, and walks of life. But in the hands of a lesser-skilled writer, rape is generally employed as a ?thing that happens to women.? And it is no less evident than in this book.
This story is not about Sue Dibny?s rape. Sue is essentially a prop, and we only see the rape in how it affects everybody else. The rape is used only as a catalyst for other characters. We don?t know how she recovers from the incident. Where is HER story? For that matter, WHY did this have to be a rape? It could have been anything else. A kidnapping. An attempted murder. Instead, it goes for rape for two reasons: One, the assumption that rape is something that ?happens to women,? and two, to give the veneer that this is a ?mature? story, edgy and more adult. But the story is not handled in an adult way. A mature story would?ve focused on the rape itself and show how it affected Sue as a character. Instead, it?s nothing more than a red herring, added for shock value. You can?t just throw adult elements into the story and ignore them. You have to deal with the consequences of it.
Oh, and by the way, this story has about four or five narrators sprinkled throughout the book. None of them are women. Just saying.
As is when rape happens to men in film its usually played for humor, so if done poorly this could be one of those films.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Samtemdo8 said:
If the 2010s-2020s Superhero movies are gonna be more like Shazam!! then fuck that shit.
And what shit is that; having teeth and guts? Knowing how to properly handle moments of darkness and levity? Not wasting time trying set-up/add to an expanded universe? Actually being.. a movie? Yeah no, sorry.
Shazam!? Funny? I know that's what they advertised but it wasn't really. Or do you mean levity as in wasting the audience with nonsense that didn't add anything and spent way too much time on Origin stories and understanding his power. Because it felt like I was watching a TV show. In fact, Titans did it better.

Shazam! Was only good when they decided to start the story at the start of the third act. Don't get me wrong, one of the best third acts I've ever seen. But it's an hour before something happens.

And I'm not even asking for dark and gritty. That's not how Shazam! I want it to be fun, smart, tells a story and has some conflict that pushes the character forward
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
MrCalavera said:
Asita said:
Hawki said:
What I'd actually like to know is if the film is set before the events of BvS or after the events of Justice League. Because if it's the latter, we'd have to ask how Batman apparently became younger.
*shrug* Maybe he's playing Terry McGinnis and we'll see Batman and Bruce Wayne bicker on the silver screen.
That'd be GREAT. Live Action Batman Beyond is long overdue IMHO, but at the same time, doubt it's the case.
Samtemdo8 said:
If the 2010s-2020s Superhero movies are gonna be more like Shazam!! then fuck that shit.
More independent in tone and spirit, and standing on their own legs, instead of being streamlined to fit "cinematic universe" frames?
I'd be down for that.

And I don't mind that he wants Batman raped in Prison. That would be a very interesting character development for him.

1. Why would Batman, of all people, get raped in prison?
2. What kind of a "character development" would that provide?[/quote]

I never said it was good character development. I just said it was interesting. Because how the fuck would they pull this off at all?[/quote]

It would give a whole new meaning to 'Boy Wonder'. Maybe have Batman drop the soap?
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
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And my beef with Robbie is that he's too young and thin.
Because no-one has ever bulked up for a role before? As for young, he's 33, probably not too far off the age comic-Batman is theoretically supposed to be
Is he gonna bulk up to Ben Affleck's Level?

And I don't know, Robbie always this eternal 18 year old look of his face.
Affleck was fucking overweight in Justice League you can tell.
 

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Casual Shinji said:
Yeah, and that's why Man of Steel is so fondly remembered, and why the DCEU hasn't been course correcting ever since. Because of Snyder's well-loved "realistic" portrayal of Superman (and Batman, because if you don't think superheroes should kill then fuck you, grow up).
More since Justice League as far as "course correction" goes.

Also, while I'm not fond of superhero characters who kill indiscriminately (e.g. Punisher), I'm not fond of those who are 100% "no kill" either. Arrow is an example of this.

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Shazam!? Funny? I know that's what they advertised but it wasn't really. Or do you mean levity as in wasting the audience with nonsense that didn't add anything and spent way too much time on Origin stories and understanding his power. Because it felt like I was watching a TV show. In fact, Titans did it better.

Shazam! Was only good when they decided to start the story at the start of the third act. Don't get me wrong, one of the best third acts I've ever seen. But it's an hour before something happens.
Well, I found it funny. I also found the third act to be the weakest part, because not only does it drag, it isn't even visually entertaining.
 

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trunkage said:
Shazam!? Funny? I know that's what they advertised but it wasn't really. Or do you mean levity as in wasting the audience with nonsense that didn't add anything and spent way too much time on Origin stories and understanding his power. Because it felt like I was watching a TV show. In fact, Titans did it better.

Shazam! Was only good when they decided to start the story at the start of the third act. Don't get me wrong, one of the best third acts I've ever seen. But it's an hour before something happens.

And I'm not even asking for dark and gritty. That's not how Shazam! I want it to be fun, smart, tells a story and has some conflict that pushes the character forward
I didn't say 'funny', also that's very subjective. And I mean levity as in not taking itself so bloody seriously, and just having fun with the concept of superpowers. The movie was advertized as 'kid gets superpowers, and he and his best friend dick around with it', and that's what people got. You might not have liked it, but it wasn't wasting the audience's time.
 

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Shazam!? Funny? I know that's what they advertised but it wasn't really. Or do you mean levity as in wasting the audience with nonsense that didn't add anything and spent way too much time on Origin stories and understanding his power. Because it felt like I was watching a TV show. In fact, Titans did it better.

Shazam! Was only good when they decided to start the story at the start of the third act. Don't get me wrong, one of the best third acts I've ever seen. But it's an hour before something happens.

And I'm not even asking for dark and gritty. That's not how Shazam! I want it to be fun, smart, tells a story and has some conflict that pushes the character forward
I didn't say 'funny', also that's very subjective. And I mean levity as in not taking itself so bloody seriously, and just having fun with the concept of superpowers. The movie was advertized as 'kid gets superpowers, and he and his best friend dick around with it', and that's what people got. You might not have liked it, but it wasn't wasting the audience's time.
Instead of serious, we got a whole bunch of short vignettes that could be unrelated to each other if not all lumped together. Its like watching Teen Titans Go. Except the later did some comedy at least sometimes. The new Titans show was funnier. All the fake teenage drama felt like I was watching 90210

And my claim was that it was also advertised as funny. Yes people did get the advertised teenager with powers routine. No, I didn't get much laughs out of this dicking around schtick.
 

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trunkage said:
Instead of serious, we got a whole bunch of short vignettes that could be unrelated to each other if not all lumped together. Its like watching Teen Titans Go. Except the later did some comedy at least sometimes. The new Titans show was funnier. All the fake teenage drama felt like I was watching 90210
Yes, because there was so much teenage drama, like.. what exactly? Two teenage boys having an argument with eachother, one looking for his birth mother? Maybe I have a very high tolerance for fake teenage drama, but I can't say I caught any of it.

And a whole bunch of short vignettes that could be unrelated to eachother if not lumped together? You mean, scenes? Scenes that flow into other scenes with the same characters as we see them progress through the movie? If you found these scenes unrelated to eachother, I don't know what kind of strict plot structure you had in mind. Again, the movie is a lighthearted superhero comedy focused primarily on two kids having fun with superpowers.

And my claim was that it was also advertised as funny. Yes people did get the advertised teenager with powers routine. No, I didn't get much laughs out of this dicking around schtick.
So what's your point; you didn't find a comedy funny? Okay..
 

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Also, while I'm not fond of superhero characters who kill indiscriminately (e.g. Punisher), I'm not fond of those who are 100% "no kill" either. Arrow is an example of this.
I wouldn't really say that the Punisher kills indiscriminately. His targets criminals exclusively, and a big part of his character is, if I recall correctly, that he is very systematic when he kills his targets. He might be horrifically violent, merciless, uncompromising, possibly psychotic, definitely mentally unhinged and obsessive in his self-appointed task, but I would not say he is indiscriminate.
 
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But still I just wish DC movies were more like Alex Ross' comic books in terms of tone at the very least.
Yeah, see, you keep saying that but then the things you say would make a good movie are things that Ross would never have included in a thousand years
 

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Palindromemordnilap said:
Samtemdo8 said:
But still I just wish DC movies were more like Alex Ross' comic books in terms of tone at the very least.
Yeah, see, you keep saying that but then the things you say would make a good movie are things that Ross would never have included in a thousand years
I never said it was good, I said it was only interesting. How would they pull of Batman getting Raped in Prison?

And yes in the end I would still prefer the Ross tone for DC then batman getting raped.

Even though he deserves it for usurping Superman as the face of DC and making everything grimdark
 

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Samtemdo8 said:
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Samtemdo8 said:
But still I just wish DC movies were more like Alex Ross' comic books in terms of tone at the very least.
Yeah, see, you keep saying that but then the things you say would make a good movie are things that Ross would never have included in a thousand years
I never said it was good, I said it was only interesting. How would they pull of Batman getting Raped in Prison?

And yes in the end I would still prefer the Ross tone for DC then batman getting raped.

Even though he deserves it for usurping Superman as the face of DC and making everything grimdark
You're the one who seems to want everything to be grimdark homie.
 

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Oh well, it's not like we have ever actually had someone who could do a non-terrible live-action Batman before..... well not since Adam West so have at it.

It's the DCU (he said just after a disappointing 3 hours of watching Avengers:Endgame) so he can't do any real damage.
 

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Kenbo Slice said:
Samtemdo8 said:
Palindromemordnilap said:
Samtemdo8 said:
But still I just wish DC movies were more like Alex Ross' comic books in terms of tone at the very least.
Yeah, see, you keep saying that but then the things you say would make a good movie are things that Ross would never have included in a thousand years
I never said it was good, I said it was only interesting. How would they pull of Batman getting Raped in Prison?

And yes in the end I would still prefer the Ross tone for DC then batman getting raped.

Even though he deserves it for usurping Superman as the face of DC and making everything grimdark
You're the one who seems to want everything to be grimdark homie.
IF the option is only Grimdark Seriousness or Goofy Quips and Lighthearted Irreverence, I choose the former. Because I take the idea of being a Superhero seriously. The whole with Great Power Comes Great Responsibility. It mabye be Grimdark but I can stomach grimdark stupidity better then what I saw in Shazam.

I just want the first half of Superman 1978 again. I want sweeping epic Orchestral Scores. I want it to FEEL heroic. I want this again: