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KingGolem

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WARNING: If you haven't seen the three movies I name as examples, you might not want to read all of this post. There are a few big spoilers.


Lo, all. I'm making this thread to discuss a phenomenon I've noticed in movies as of late. It would seem that in some movies, namely Avatar, The Surrogates, and Repo Men in particular, I find myself agreeing with and supporting the "bad guys" of the hour. I believe the most expeditious (ha!) way of explaining this would be to elaborate on my examples.

Avatar: Yes, I supported the "evil mercenary guys," mostly because I hate hippies. God, how I hate hippies, especially since the depiction of Na'vi's (literal) communion with nature is just so damned saccharine that I wanted them all to die even more. I've also never been one for that whole "white guilt" thing, because I'm part Cherokee (and it shows in my dad and grampa) and I've never seen the logic in feeling guilty for something you had nothing to do with and happened well before you were born. Not to mention that the "villains" were, to me, far more memorable and likeable, particularly the eldery general-guy with the scar on his head (I suck at names; the only names I remember from that movie are Jake Sulley and Tsu'tey, for some reason). He's like a cross between Chuck Norris, R. Lee Ermy, and everyone's favorite grampa. How could you NOT like him? All these factors led up to one of the most dissapointing moments in film I've ever experienced. I really wanted them to kill Eywa (ooh, there's another name!).

The Surrogates: So check this, a movie featuring a detective played by BRUCE WILLIS hunting down a hippy terrorist cult in a world where everyone's a robot. I had such great hopes for this one. Bruce Willis is dead to me now, for in that movie he not only sided with the hippy terrorists for no apparent reason, he permanently destroyed all of the robot surrogates. What the hell's wrong with surrogates? Why is it necessary to destroy them all? Why, Bruce, why couldn't you just kill those hippies like we were all hoping for?

Repo Men: Really, this one's rediculous. So in the future, the artifical organ business is booming, and people are buying "autiforgs" left and right. The downside? They're super expensive, and if you can't keep up with the payments they'll send the "repo men" to subdue you and cut out your organ, leaving you to bleed to death. There are quite a few preposterous things about this movie, like how British-sounding repo man's wife (I can't remember anyone's name from this film) was so offended by her husband's line of work. It's a little grisly, granted, but it's honest work for honest pay. This brings me to the most absurd aspect of this movie: it's central message. "If you can't pay for something, you should just get to keep it anyway." What kind of Aesop is that? These aren't random victims of depraved madmen, they're people who knew what they were getting themselves into, signed a contract, couldn't hold up their end, and had to pay for it.

Given these three examples, I ask you, my fellow Escapists: Have you ever found yourself rooting for the "bad guys" and why? Why is it all the bad guys today have to be "big evil corporations," like we've all forgotten about the terrorists and North Korea? Please, I urge you to discuss and list examples.
 

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because who doesn't love British Nazis....IN SPAAAAAAACEE

Cody211282 said:
Any movie were Tim Curry is the bad guy I root for him to win, because he is just so friken awesome.
YES!

P.S PS3 + escapist = win
 

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Any movie were Tim Curry is the bad guy I root for him to win, because he is just so friken awesome.
 

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Movies/Books: Harry Potter Series. I wanted Voldemort to Crush Potter's Skull SOOO badly. I got Particularly pissed when they started spouting "Love is the Greatest kind of Magic" BAH! Tell that to the Thousands Voldemort Killed. At least Make it Realistic DAMN IT!

Games:I wanted Arthas to Win. I truly Did. Maybe i just wanted all of the Land to be crushed under his Boot.....I...meh!

Books Darth Caedus EU Books. Just that. Though it seems a bit Bitter/Sweet if he did. Yes he might have lost sight of his Goal, but if he kept true to his Ideals, it would have been Glorious. If he let go of his Inherent Sith Weakness......Damn it God Damn it Jacen Solo, why did you go CORRUPT! You would have been AWESOME if not for that1 You were my Hero until you grew Corrupt you know that? I......I..BAH!
 

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I'm always on the "evil" side in movies and games. Guess because I just find "evil" exciting and more entertaining than good? I like myself some evil laughs now and then. MWAHAHAHAH!

RhomCo said:
As the Australian usage of 'rooting' means 'fucking', I can't any of this seriously.
Teehee =3
 

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Skeletor. Any time the villain looks twenty times cooler than the hero, I'm usually down with them.

Darth Caelum said:
Movies/Books: Harry Potter Series. I wanted Voldemort to Crush Potter's Skull SOOO badly. I got Particularly pissed when they started spouting "Love is the Greatest kind of Magic" BAH! Tell that to the Thousands Voldemort Killed. At least Make it Realistic DAMN IT!

Games:I wanted Arthas to Win. I truly Did. Maybe i just wanted all of the Land to be crushed under his Boot.....I...meh!

Books Darth Caedus EU Books. Just that. Though it seems a bit Bitter/Sweet if he did. Yes he might have lost sight of his Goal, but if he kept true to his Ideals, it would have been Glorious. If he let go of his Inherent Sith Weakness......Damn it God Damn it Jacen Solo, why did you go CORRUPT! You would have been AWESOME if not for that1 You were my Hero until you grew Corrupt you know that? I......I..BAH!
Random capitalization... hurts.... my brain...
 

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RhomCo said:
As the Australian usage of 'rooting' means 'fucking', I can't any of this seriously.
Oh that explains the thing with my Aussie colleague.

Fallout 3, victoria watts, if it wasn't for that ***** I'd have helped Harkness.

The Helghast, Radec (the big bad final boss) is a better character than your own AI driven teammates.
 

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I am notorious for falling in love with the bad guys and am perpetually disappointed when they have to die. It's part of the reason I can't genuinely watch television shows because all the characters I like end up dying!

I, too, would have loved the "evil mercenary guys" but I didn't quite understand why they needed unobtainium that badly. Were they building with it? Using it as the new precious gem? Or just chucking it at people they dislike? I can't whole-heartedly support a cause with no reason behind it. And, if for no better reason than to sell it, then finding that much of it at once would lower the value of it once it got into circulation.

.... would have my own brilliant examples but such lack of sleep renders me completely useless.
 

SextusMaximus

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I always root for the bad guys because they're just plain awesome in most movies.

Except for the Nazis.

...Not the Nazis...
 

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RhomCo said:
As the Australian usage of 'rooting' means 'fucking', I can't any of this seriously.
Yeah I still giggle at things before I remember they are American.

Scarface all the way. I know he isn't a "badguy" in the usual sense of the word but still he isn't a goodguy and I wanted to see him win.
 

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Dr. Danger said:
I am notorious for falling in love with the bad guys and am perpetually disappointed when they have to die. It's part of the reason I can't genuinely watch television shows because all the characters I like end up dying!

I, too, would have loved the "evil mercenary guys" but I didn't quite understand why they needed unobtainium that badly. Were they building with it? Using it as the new precious gem? Or just chucking it at people they dislike? I can't whole-heartedly support a cause with no reason behind it. And, if for no better reason than to sell it, then finding that much of it at once would lower the value of it once it got into circulation.

.... would have my own brilliant examples but such lack of sleep renders me completely useless.
Unobtainium was just the token resource the mercenaries really wanted. It could have just as easily been replaced with gold, gems, oil, or just about any other naturally occurring valuable commodity. I think the film uses the excuse that it's basically a room-temperature super-conductor (which according to modern science, doesn't exist yet), but really it doesn't the matter. The point is it's a resource they feel the need to get as much of as quickly as possible.

As for the OP's original question, I don't commonly find myself rooting for the bad guy(s). Occasionally I'll like, or at the least understand the motivations of, the bad guys (Dr. Breen from HL2 is the example that immediately springs to mind), but I rarely want them to actually win.

And when it comes to the movies the OP listed:

Avatar - The whole debacle was kinda stupid in the first place, but I had to be rooting for the Na'vi. I hate hippies almost as much as the OP does, but the fact of the matter is they were the ones being attacked, and I cannot support the initiation of violence, especially for something as trivial as resources.

Surrogates - I'll have to disagree with the OP on this, if only because I'm a huge supporter of personal responsibility. Having robot surrogates do everything for you removes all consequences to your actions. People simply stop being responsible for themselves when the consequences no longer matter, so I hate the idea of such a society.

Repo Men - 100% agreed on this one. Like I said above, I'm huge on personal responsibility. People agreed to the contract for the organs, and when they break that contract by not paying, the organs are taken away. It makes perfect sense and I agree with that methodology 100%. That said, I haven't actually seen this one yet, so if there's any twists or whatever and the Repo Men are actually taking organs from legit paying customers, I'd reverse my stance in an instant.
 

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I didn't root for anyone in Avatar, not even the bad guys. The only thing I rooted for were Jake's crippled legs; the only impressive thing in the entire movie.

I guess, I rooted for the dinosaurs in Jurrasic Park if they can be considerd bad guys.
 

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KingGolem said:
The Surrogates: So check this, a movie featuring a detective played by BRUCE WILLIS hunting down a hippy terrorist cult in a world where everyone's a robot. I had such great hopes for this one. Bruce Willis is dead to me now, for in that movie he not only sided with the hippy terrorists for no apparent reason, he permanently destroyed all of the robot surrogates. What the hell's wrong with surrogates? Why is it necessary to destroy them all? Why, Bruce, why couldn't you just kill those hippies like we were all hoping for?
If you don't realise what was wrong with the surrogates in that film then I can only assume you weren't paying attention the whole time. I agree with you on Avatar though.
 

Mr Snuffles

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I was rooting for the bad guys in the usual suspects, although I can't remember exactly what they did...
 

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Mr Snuffles said:
I was rooting for the bad guys in the usual suspects, although I can't remember exactly what they did...
Your avatar looks like a bad guy. And I completely root for him.
 

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Law Abiding Citizen: An excellent movie from the start, where you can have great fun guessing who will get killed next and how. As far as I'm concerned you'd have to be insane to root for the good-guy in this film; he's a bumbling idiot, only following the word of the law and not the spirit, allowing dozens of people to get killed in the process.

Excellent film...that I will never, ever watch again because of its one, fatal flaw: The ending. It was so cheesy, predictable, and unnecessary, and just typical schmaltzy shit; SHAME ON YOU HOLLYWOOD.