Rumor: Iran Responding to Battlefield 3 with Anti-Israel Game
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i agree whole heartedly, and when i imagine this i imagine it with a huge trollface overlapping his facesamsonguy920 said:
i think i love your logic....why do people make assumptions about iran..it was a nice place before it got ripped in two with all the political craposity..TheBelgianGuy said:
jeez, do u really think they care about u being mad over their game ? Iam sure they dont even care about u playing it . its very simple : as i explained here before ; ofcurse American's clivil/gamer dont get mad becuz of such game ,as Iranian gamer didnt get mad over Battlefield 3,they all know its just game and fiction. infact all of them played it as they play other games . its noting to do with us its government.Macgyvercas said:
i am amazed by some of the "DICE is not american, Iran is overreacting" posts here...i don't suppose any of you have heard of bribes or subtle recommendations by the media part of the (CIA or FBI, i forget which)
I'm sorry, but I am not able to interpret your response. Would you mind responding again without the text speak?AMK11 said:
If your thoughts can't be easily understood at first glance, then the point you are trying to make is not clear, my friend. I'm all for a good debate and exchange of opinions, but when I am unable to understand the person I am speaking (or in this case typing) to, it makes debate and conversation next to impossible.AMK11 said:
Life imitates art and art imitates life. During the '90s all the shooters were killing Nazis because World War 2 was a war that Americans knew about and connected with. Now they are set in the Middle East because America is fighting the Middle East and it is on a lot of peoples' minds. And given the tensions with Iran (which are not new) it makes sense that Battlefield 3 would depict a war between our two countries. It only seems like there are a million games in which the player kills Arabs because there are so many ripoffs of the big names like Call of Duty. My point is these things move in cycles and reflect the outside world, and complaining about it makes sense but really isn't going to change that system.
Slightly off topic: Has anyone played Wings Over Israel? I've started the updated version and have been having quite a good time with it.
Slightly off topic: Has anyone played Wings Over Israel? I've started the updated version and have been having quite a good time with it.
And jet those things aren't even close to invading Iran.Irridium said:
In those games you're the defender and you succeed in it. You defended the country. You won.
But in BF3 you're invading Iran and you win doing so.
In "all those many games where the USA is invaded" (tho I don't know more than 4), the USA still wins. They defend them self.
But in all those many games where the USA invades the middle east, the USA wins, again and those countries lose. Ofc they will get mad.
There is a HUGE difference between being invaded and successfully defend yourself and being invaded and lose the war.
Read SyphonX and you will see that them worrying about all the shit being thrown against them is justified.
Just look at all those stupid games related to the middle east, at the news and at those sick US and Israeli politicians and how they talk about the middle east.
oh i didnt know iam reading a post about English grammer??! I think while iam learning some more grammer mabey u should learn diffrence between Arabs and perisan/Iranian . did i said anyting about Arabs? they have their own Culture and ideas. u SAID they (IR government)are stupid that thinks u will get mad over their Game! the truth is you are not smart enough to understand the point . now read my post again . and try to Lrn som txt spking 2 . itz not hrd.Razada said:
>"The United States is governed by the Zionist Regime so Attack on Tel Aviv would make Americans angrier than a game about an attack on Washington."
>Zionist
They keep using that word.
I do not think it means what they think it means.
>Zionist
They keep using that word.
I do not think it means what they think it means.
Actually it's the sentiments of like 99% of the culture in the region beyond Iran, even if American Left Wingers choose not to realize it. I could post tons of links starting with children's shows brainwashing kids to hate Americans and Jews (especially the latter) and going on about the connection.Treblaine said:
You have to understand, Cultural Muslims want Jews dead for religious reasons, they want everyone dead or converted in the final equasion, but Jews occupy a special place in their hearts. ISREAL exists largely because of US muscle, with their homeland having been returned at the expense of the Muslims occupying it. What's more the US has turned Isreal into a major military power in the region by providing weapons, training, and resources in the beginning, and a degree of support even now. One of the big reasons why you haven't seen a blitz of Isreal is because the US would likely get involved directly if it was to happen.
You also have a situation where a lot of the Media in the US has been controlled by Jewish businessmen for a long period of time. Even without any overt religious messages, a lot of the moral compass of the US as presented through things like movies and TV shows can allegedly be traced back to Jews.
This is to say nothing of some evidence, that a lot of our leaders have largely been carried into power by the support of Jewish businessmen.
Granted none of these things are a big deal, and you can point out all the Non-Jews involved in media, and of course non-Jewish businessmen who have influanced elections financially, but to a Muslim who is ruled entirely by religious hatred... well, this takes on a whole differant tone especially when you see the actual result of the US setting up their greatest enemy in their back yard. Everything they think here tends to be in support of that.
To the Muslims given how long the Jews have been around compared to the US, they tend to think of the US as being the pawns, as opposed to us rather clumsily trying to right what we saw as an injustice (which I could write a huge post on, on it's own). Hence why we get cursed out and slated for destruction oftentimes right in the same breath.
Remember, the leadership we're dealing with down there isn't exactly rational by our standards. It's based entirely on faith. Even with the new constitutions in Afghanistan and Iraq we're dealing with nations that are defined as ISLAMIC nations with religious principles forming the foundation for their laws and education. The leaders are by and large theocrats.
I think what your feeling is a degree of culture shock, your basically seeing what guys like me have been talking about for years, and why I point towards needing to do some rather extreme things to deal with the region. We'd like to think people are the same everywhere and rationality dominates except for us evil, misguided, ignorant Americans, but well... in many cases the people who are being called backwards really are that backwards.
... I mean honestly, what the heck do you expect from a religious based nation ruled by theocrats? Of course they see everything religiously, and focus on their spiritual enemies as the foundation for everything. Do you think these guys create children's shows with the mascots being martyred when they are killed by evil Jews, and which go off about Islamic superiority as some kind of 4-chan like satire? They do it because they are 100% serious and this is how they think. This is how the leadership is, and the people actually see those programs as being educational which is why it's so sad, so scary, and such a nasty situation to deal with.
Oh... and we can thank Obama for ending the Iraq war. See one of the things that has served to keep things relatively quiet is that no matter what you might think of the war, we've had a huge military force there and nobody wanted to step too far out of line because they were afraid we might come for them with the strategies I have talked about. With this leverage gone, expect even more belligerance. I expect within 5-10 years things are going to be pretty bad, people will be going "WTF did we leave" or more to the point "WTF, didn't we finish this when we were down there" forgetting about all the arguements made against action in the region while it was going on.
As far as an Anti-Jewish/American video game goes... that's par for the course. I mean they already have children's prgramming with that message and nobody has done anything, why not video games?
To be honest if they DO make such a video game I'd imagine what they will probably do is pirate and modify someone else's game engine and create something similar to a mod. I doubt Iran cares much about American/Western copyrights any more than China does. The real question is not so much whether they could make a playable game, but where they have enough domestic graphics programmers to design all the needed skins and graphics. Of course then again due to the forethought and caution of the games industry deciding to create things like the *ahem* "Opposing Force" to drum up some contreversy, I wouldn't be surprised if they just wound up ripping a lot of the assets from other games to create the Muslim hero models, and then just put the US/Allied forces on the other side, with some new voice acting and clips.
They want a propaganda piece, it's not like what they are proposing is all that complex, and it's not like they don't have anyone down there who knows computers or whatever. They aren't *THAT* primitive which is part of the problem and why they present a threat. I mean if they were just riding camels around with scimitars and recurve bows nobody would care, but all stereotypes aside that's hardly the case despite the poverty and generally backwards nature of the culture. They have bombs, guns, electronics, and even a few cities with almost everything you'd expect in the first world despite the general condition of the country and how most people might live.
Actually, it would be better if none of the sides was portraited as neither good or evil. How about a game where you play missions on both sides, and explore each sides motivations and contradictions? Just like in reality! Battlefield 2 for PS2 shyly attempted this, it even had some FMVs with the news of both sides clearly manipulating reality. It was quite smart, I'd like to see more steps in that direction.Corporal Yakob said:The Cheshire said:
Seriously though we are in dire need of games where the West is the enemy-what a twist!
I don't know what to say in response to Therumancer's post (he seems to have gone off the deep end), but I can say that the few Iranians I do know are not Anti-Semitic nor to they seem to hold any particular paranoid delusions.
It also appears that all this current ant-Semitism and zionism-paranoia in Iran (and Middle East in general) appeared entirely after Israel formed, where before Jews had a great many rights in Iran, even permitted to drink alcohol to spite a wider state-wide ban on its consumption (outside of medical purposes).
I do not think "extreme" measures are needed. Within living memory Jews an Muslims were totally at peace with each other. This is not a religious dispute, this is a geographical dispute in the Israel-Palestine area that has grown completely out of proportion with far too many other nations and interests getting involved. We need to take religion out of the equation and calm the fuck down.
These minority of Iranians who say such crazy things about things like Zionist control of America should be ostracised and ridiculed for their ridiculous claims.
It also appears that all this current ant-Semitism and zionism-paranoia in Iran (and Middle East in general) appeared entirely after Israel formed, where before Jews had a great many rights in Iran, even permitted to drink alcohol to spite a wider state-wide ban on its consumption (outside of medical purposes).
I do not think "extreme" measures are needed. Within living memory Jews an Muslims were totally at peace with each other. This is not a religious dispute, this is a geographical dispute in the Israel-Palestine area that has grown completely out of proportion with far too many other nations and interests getting involved. We need to take religion out of the equation and calm the fuck down.
These minority of Iranians who say such crazy things about things like Zionist control of America should be ostracised and ridiculed for their ridiculous claims.