Risk is Nintendo's middle name.Simalacrum said:Good for Nintendo, but I really fear that the Wii U is shaping up to become the Dreamcast of this generation - start off with a great bang, with shiny specs, cool games and first on the shelves, but then clobbered to death by late-coming but significantly more powerful and more capable machines designed for the next generation.
Nintendo shouldn't be looking to beat the current generation of consoles - they've already done that. Squarely. Theres no denying that, in terms of consoles shifted, the Wii has obliterated its competition.
What they should be doing, instead of saying "hey look we have HD graphics like the PS3/360 now!" is producing a console thats specifically designed to combat the PS4/Xbox720. Its a next gen console taking on current gen consoles - and it'll lose later on badly for it, unless it turns out the Wii U is merely a stop gap to properly contend with the current generation and theres already a new console in the works to take on the next generation of consoles (in which case Nintendo has taken an unprecedented move and risk in such a method, and I highly doubt this is the case!)
Both 360 and PS3 barely have any true HD games and are almost the same when it comes to power. Storage media has no impact on games resolutions btw.Donnyp said:Not to mention ps3 is true HD while 360 is upscaled. Due to the fact that it can only support Dual Layer Disks.TimeLord said:If it does, great. If it doesn't, Nintendo haven't moved an inch in the console market.
Also, how can you say; 50% more powerful than the PS3 and 360 when the PS3 already has the edge over the 360 in terms of Blu-ray processing power so which one is it 50% more power than? The PS3 or 360? Because that might make the difference to the specs.
Its also been its downfall on more than one occasion.GrimHeaper said:Risk is Nintendo's middle name.Simalacrum said:Good for Nintendo, but I really fear that the Wii U is shaping up to become the Dreamcast of this generation - start off with a great bang, with shiny specs, cool games and first on the shelves, but then clobbered to death by late-coming but significantly more powerful and more capable machines designed for the next generation.
Nintendo shouldn't be looking to beat the current generation of consoles - they've already done that. Squarely. Theres no denying that, in terms of consoles shifted, the Wii has obliterated its competition.
What they should be doing, instead of saying "hey look we have HD graphics like the PS3/360 now!" is producing a console thats specifically designed to combat the PS4/Xbox720. Its a next gen console taking on current gen consoles - and it'll lose later on badly for it, unless it turns out the Wii U is merely a stop gap to properly contend with the current generation and theres already a new console in the works to take on the next generation of consoles (in which case Nintendo has taken an unprecedented move and risk in such a method, and I highly doubt this is the case!)
2 generations. nVidia 9000 series and ATI 4000 series both launched in '08.munx13 said:Well the GPU on it is 3 generations ahead then whats on PS3 so it would hardly be a surprise (GF 7800 vs Radeon 4800).
This could be true in the end but don't forget that the Dreamcast followed a lackluster showing by the Saturn while the WiiU is actually the biggest selling console of this generation (yeah, yeah, is it this generation when its running on the previous generation's hardware? yadda yadda blah blah). My point is that it may well do what you said but Nintendo aren't in Sega's position where they needed to come out earlier than their competitors to try and stay in the game.Simalacrum said:Good for Nintendo, but I really fear that the Wii U is shaping up to become the Dreamcast of this generation - start off with a great bang, with shiny specs, cool games and first on the shelves, but then clobbered to death by late-coming but significantly more powerful and more capable machines designed for the next generation.
1080p support is not 1080p resolution, I'd only really consider it a jump forward if it actually used 1080p res rather than stetching 1200x760 (roughly) on a 1080p TV/Moniter like all current console do, the fact they advertise 1080p support in the first place is misleading.Andrew86 said:"Wii U will be HD, supporting up to 1080p resolution just like Xbox 360 and PS3, but beyond that it's unclear how powerful the hardware will ultimately be when it ships sometime next year. Nintendo never provides a full breakdown, although the company did say that the form factor is "near final." While many assumed Wii U would be on par with the current HD consoles, word is coming in from developers that it's quite a bit more powerful.
Sterne Agee analyst Arvind Bhatia commented today, "Some of the developers we spoke to indicated to us that the console will have 50% more processing power compared to the PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360. This is yet to be confirmed by Nintendo.""
mh... If this is true its technically not really good news, but oh well, its around the same boost as from Gamecube to Wii(50%), which was not bad.I suppose Sony and Microsoft will include again 7 to 10 times better Hardware, than last Generation.
Virtua Boy and Gamecube?Simalacrum said:Its also been its downfall on more than one occasion.GrimHeaper said:Risk is Nintendo's middle name.Simalacrum said:Good for Nintendo, but I really fear that the Wii U is shaping up to become the Dreamcast of this generation - start off with a great bang, with shiny specs, cool games and first on the shelves, but then clobbered to death by late-coming but significantly more powerful and more capable machines designed for the next generation.
Nintendo shouldn't be looking to beat the current generation of consoles - they've already done that. Squarely. Theres no denying that, in terms of consoles shifted, the Wii has obliterated its competition.
What they should be doing, instead of saying "hey look we have HD graphics like the PS3/360 now!" is producing a console thats specifically designed to combat the PS4/Xbox720. Its a next gen console taking on current gen consoles - and it'll lose later on badly for it, unless it turns out the Wii U is merely a stop gap to properly contend with the current generation and theres already a new console in the works to take on the next generation of consoles (in which case Nintendo has taken an unprecedented move and risk in such a method, and I highly doubt this is the case!)
watElectroJosh said:...the WiiU is actually the biggest selling console of this generation...
Fair enough, but lets not judge about that before the console is released shall we? We're halfway through 2011, this console is due to somewhere in 2012, my guess is the holiday season. It'll be a long while before we see what developers are going to do with the available horsepower. I just hope it's easy to develop for, not PS3-like.GrimHeaper said:The power of the computers is negligible when there are no games to make full use of it.Cowabungaa said:Well they are getting some kind of special CPU, and from what I've heard they're the fastest in existence right now, even faster than a top-of-the-line i7 core. If that's true, that'd really be something.banksy122 said:And still way less powerful then an average PC.
Quite curious about the GPU myself at the moment, they haven't made any details about it available.
Could be, I sure hope not. The Wiki article says, and according to the Nintendo website, this is the CPU:mad825 said:all of the gaming consoles got a "special" CPU and it's not very good, the "cell" chip was the only thing that reached above sub-par.
when a "special" CPU is mention, the first thing that comes to my mind is a defunct quad-core CPU otherwise known as a Tri-core.
That's sadly all we know. Honestly, I don't understand why they're waiting so long to release technical details.IBM Power Architecture-based multi-core 45 nm microprocessor[3]
So the competition has a harder time I would say.Cowabungaa said:Fair enough, but lets not judge about that before the console is released shall we? We're halfway through 2011, this console is due to somewhere in 2012, my guess is the holiday season. It'll be a long while before we see what developers are going to do with the available horsepower. I just hope it's easy to develop for, not PS3-like.GrimHeaper said:The power of the computers is negligible when there are no games to make full use of it.Cowabungaa said:Well they are getting some kind of special CPU, and from what I've heard they're the fastest in existence right now, even faster than a top-of-the-line i7 core. If that's true, that'd really be something.banksy122 said:And still way less powerful then an average PC.
Quite curious about the GPU myself at the moment, they haven't made any details about it available.
Could be, I sure hope not. The Wiki article says, and according to the Nintendo website, this is the CPU:mad825 said:all of the gaming consoles got a "special" CPU and it's not very good, the "cell" chip was the only thing that reached above sub-par.
when a "special" CPU is mention, the first thing that comes to my mind is a defunct quad-core CPU otherwise known as a Tri-core.
That's sadly all we know. Honestly, I don't understand why they're waiting so long to release technical details.IBM Power Architecture-based multi-core 45 nm microprocessor[3]
Sort of, kind of. It probably has more to do with the economics of making a console, ie if they wait and don't make a final decision then IBM may come up with a better offer. So either a CPU with better performance for the same price or the one they're currently looking at but at a reduced price.GrimHeaper said:So the competition has a harder time I would say.
Didn't they? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_HD_DVD_Player]RhombusHatesYou said:Nope. Both have full HDD capabilty so if they don't choke on a HDDs data transfer speeds they're not going to be troubled by any optical storage system around today.TimeLord said:True, but you need a better processor to... well process the sheer amount of Blu-ray data don't you? Compared to xbox's DVDs.RhombusHatesYou said:Blu-ray has nothing to do with processing power, it's an optical storage medium... and no optical storage medium has a data transfer rate that compares to HDDs or SSDs.TimeLord said:the PS3 already has the edge over the 360 in terms of Blu-ray processing power
The PS3 does have a better CPU but not because Blu-ray demands it. The 360 could have easily supported HD-DVD but Microsoft didn't want to get caught up in a format war it had no vested interest in... and they didn't want to go Blu-ray because they charge licensing on a per-disc basis and it takes a few DVDs to hold the same data as a BRD.
Let that be lesson to everyone... don't copy and paste stuff around when re-writing parts of a post. Will I go back and edit it though? Nah.pyrrhic victory said:watElectroJosh said:...the WiiU is actually the biggest selling console of this generation...