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Lazule

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I think its ok. Those that research will find answers, I'm in for all manners of free speech especially and specifically on the internet. Since "internet is not serious business" and one shouldn't take it too seriously to the point of being offended by it, that has always been ridiculous.

Revolutionary said:
Alternatively you could work at gawker where they don't give a shit about ethics either. I find that it's pretty easy to tell the difference between youtubers which have some kind of principles and the ones that don't. The ones that don't can be identified by unbelievably dishonest videos with disabled ratings and comments, and fail to disclose blatant conflicts of interest.
Agreed these are the people I'm talking about... Disabling, limiting, censoring stuff isn't necessary. I mean it's your channel do whatever the hell you want with it but don't be surprised if people see you as a person of bad taste. Learning to take it easy is extremely important but well some people just like being miserable I guess.
 

harrisongrimms

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Glad to see at least one escapist content creator posts comments in their thread, and responds to questions and whatnot.
 

V da Mighty Taco

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Nothing against Susan, but am I the only one here who actually liked and respected Tito (yes, including his refusal to blanket-ban GG discussion, despite me not being pro-GG)? Didn't realize I was so alone on this. Is there something else he did to piss people off, or is it really all about that damn controversy?
 

Simonism451

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Thunderous Cacophony said:
Simonism451 said:
Also, that's totally not what the Joker would do.
I just grabbed the first Batman villain that came into my head for the obvious counterpoint to Susan-as-Batman; I don't know his rogue's gallery well enough to say who would be more appropriate, but hopefully the intent was clear.
Obviously, it would go something like this:
"Hey there, new guy, your review of Battlefront was pretty good already but I made some minor adjustments. Here, have a look:

Review: Star Wars Battlefront
Dear Batman,
I hope you are having a good night. I'm doing fine and I have taken the entire IGN staff as hostages and will drop them into the lion cage of the Gotham City Zoo unless you stop me.
Eternally yours,
The Joker.
Score: 9.5/10 The closest thing you will get to being in a Star Wars movie without risking a cease and desist letter from Disney."
 

Elementary - Dear Watson

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I hope that is just a cup of Spicy 3 Pepper Sauce...

As a Brit it pains me often that McDonalds is so big here but we don't have Arbys, Five Guys or Buffalo Wild Wings... (Well, outside of single restaraunts in the biggest cities!) I sure miss that 3 pepper sauce!

Hell... We also need to continue pushing for some better Mexican food too!

(Yes... this is all I got from the comic...)
 

Something Amyss

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CrossGuard said:
Do you know for sure if these people were actually supporters of GG and not just some third-party trolls? Can you post screencaps so I can look at those threats myself? Thanks in advance.
I've dealt with enough concern trolls who have feigned interest and used information to do harm and have no reason to trust you. So the short answers are yes, no, and don't bother thanking someone after asking for evidence of harassment and threats. It's not cool to do that. If people were doing that to John Bain right now, there would be an internet hissyfit over it.

You can believe me, or write me off as one of those evil lying SJWs. It is of no concern to me.
 

Something Amyss

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Elementary - Dear Watson said:
I hope that is just a cup of Spicy 3 Pepper Sauce...

As a Brit it pains me often that McDonalds is so big here but we don't have Arbys, Five Guys or Buffalo Wild Wings... (Well, outside of single restaraunts in the biggest cities!) I sure miss that 3 pepper sauce!

Hell... We also need to continue pushing for some better Mexican food too!

(Yes... this is all I got from the comic...)
I don't know. Erin supports Abrys, but Jon Stewart mocks it. I'M SO CONFUSED!

Eh. I'll side with Erin. Even though she's fictional, I still believe she could hurt me.
 

Elementary - Dear Watson

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Zachary Amaranth said:
Elementary - Dear Watson said:
I hope that is just a cup of Spicy 3 Pepper Sauce...

As a Brit it pains me often that McDonalds is so big here but we don't have Arbys, Five Guys or Buffalo Wild Wings... (Well, outside of single restaraunts in the biggest cities!) I sure miss that 3 pepper sauce!

Hell... We also need to continue pushing for some better Mexican food too!

(Yes... this is all I got from the comic...)
I don't know. Erin supports Abrys, but Jon Stewart mocks it. I'M SO CONFUSED!

Eh. I'll side with Erin. Even though she's fictional, I still believe she could hurt me.
Ah... Jon Stewart. I saw him once. He has that American style comedy where he says everything loudly and bluntly with the subtlety of a Gunners tourbus. - Often also forgetting to add actual jokes.

Yeah.. I would stick with Erin too!
 

CrossGuard

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Zachary Amaranth said:
CrossGuard said:
Do you know for sure if these people were actually supporters of GG and not just some third-party trolls? Can you post screencaps so I can look at those threats myself? Thanks in advance.
I've dealt with enough concern trolls who have feigned interest and used information to do harm and have no reason to trust you. So the short answers are yes, no, and don't bother thanking someone after asking for evidence of harassment and threats. It's not cool to do that. If people were doing that to John Bain right now, there would be an internet hissyfit over it.

You can believe me, or write me off as one of those evil lying SJWs. It is of no concern to me.
Wow, you have really jumped the gun here, especially when I've asked politely. And you preemptively accuse me of dismissing you as a SJW, when it was you who resorted to such tactics in the first place. Your lack of self-awareness amazes me.

And you know you could just out their usernames, right? So I could look into those people myself? It's not like I've asked for any of your personal information, I wouldn't be able to do anything to you even if I wanted to, you're just being disingenuous.

So yeah, you're right. I have no reason to believe anything you say, nor does anyone else for that matter.

My final thoughts:
 

Something Amyss

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CrossGuard said:
Wow, you have really jumped the gun here, especially when I've asked politely.
I have jumped no guns. Politeness is irrelevant. Look up the numerous references to sealioning around here. Not to mention, several of the referenced concern trolls were very polite when it was convenient. But politeness is not relevant, and I already explained why.

And you preemptively accuse me of dismissing you as a SJW, when it was you who resorted to such tactics in the first place.
Except, you know, for the part where I didn't accuse you. I said "you can do X" for all I care. This is not an accusation.

Your lack of self-awareness amazes me.
That you made up claims against me the minute I was not willing to help you and then accused me of lacking self-awareness based on those charges does not amaze me. This is exactly why I am discinlined to trust or be of help to people who randomly pop up and start down this path.

And you know you could just out their usernames, right? So I could look into those people myself? It's not like I've asked for any of your personal information, I wouldn't be able to do anything to you even if I wanted to, you're just being disingenuous
You went from "screenshot the evidence," to "out their usernames." these are not only two different things, but the former requires me to either include evidence that sets me up to be further jeopardised or leave out the actual threats themselves. If I were to give you names, there would be nothing to go on, so I can't imagine that would be particularly helpful to your investigation. Pardon me if I don't find some irony in you saying I'm the one being disingenuous. You entirely shifted your standard of evidence and blamed me for not being forthcoming.

Also, you can claim that you are in no position to do anything, but that's not entirely true. People have used information from this board to threaten me. I won't tell you what information, because the last thing I want to do is give yet another person ammunition, but the door swings both ways and I have zero reason to believe you, either.

Did I leave anything out there?

So yeah, you're right. I have no reason to believe anything you say, nor does anyone else for that matter.
And here's a dirty little secret: I don't care. No offense, but you weren't one of the people addressed by that post, nor were you part of the audience I think will benefit from it. I didn't write this as a scalding expose of GamerGate in an attempt to tear them down. I wrote a lengthy post (at least, for me, some people can write almost literal novels) to illustrate some of the issues with reviews from the perspective of someone who has been both a reporter and a reviewer. You're free to also not believe that, though it's still true. Hell, you're free not to believe that I write on a blog, or any of the other things I've said. None of that matters.

What I wrote was specific to people who were trying to actually address the idea of criticism in the games industry, and why I think what they had to say wouldn't necessarily work. More so one than the other. You, random user I am in no position to recognise, let alone trust decided to ask for evidence so you could investigate, though why I would think that was meaningful is beyond me. I'm gessing the thoughts that specifics might generate legitiamate security concerns for me never even occurred to you.

I mean, if you can't trust a random user with ten whole posts and no profile with such information, who can you trust?

My final thoughts:
Yeah, I'm not watching that video. In the future, if you actually wish to communicate with me, I suggest doing so directly. But I don't particularly expect that to be an issue. It looks like you're just here to provide cover fire in a fight that's not happening. I won't indulge that further.
 

Naldan

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If people have impact on the sales on a greater scale, then they should be held responsible for the work.

No matter if it's a YouTuber, a blogger, a journalist. If they write and state opinions, it's their right. If they make reviews that end up on Metacritic, then it's noteworthy.

What is there to discuss? That reviews are opinions? Having a good port on PC is objective. There could be adjustments on when the 'good' starts and the bad ends, but in general, there is few to disagree on, as far as I'm concerned.

Bunnyhop says that his degree isn't helping much in his work. I would agree, but he comes across as too level-headed as to be not objective. And journalism in its origins had to strive for objectivity. That's why the mere concept of having journalists even review anything is very strange to me. For example, Yahtzee has far more qualifications that make him a reasonable reviewer.

Ex-devs, people with a certain reputation, whatever. Why is it that normally reviewers of games are journalists? Why does one need to have an editor to state an opinion, when afaik most of the time, it's for PR reasons?
 

CrossGuard

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Except, you know, for the part where I didn't accuse you. I said "you can do X" for all I care. This is not an accusation.
I'm not the one who started rambling about SJWs or John Bain. I think you made it clear you want to put me on a different side of an issue when there was no need for that.

requires me to either include evidence that sets me up to be further jeopardised or leave out the actual threats themselves
How so? You can easily screencap their comments (like Anita Sarkeesian does with her harassers), and edit out any personal information those comments might contain (MS Paint does the job). I'm sure you're smart enough to realize that, which is why I think you're being disingenuous.

If I were to give you names, there would be nothing to go on
I decide that once I know who those people are. If X and Y users on twitter or tumblr harassed you, I can find out their post history to see where they really stand. Unless they were completely anonymous, in which case you have no idea whether they were GG supporters or not (hence me asking if they could be some third party trolls).

the door swings both ways and I have zero reason to believe you, either
The burden of proof is still on you. It doesn't matter whether you me trust me or not, your original claim still needs to be proven.

And here's a dirty little secret: I don't care. No offense, but you weren't one of the people addressed by that post, nor were you part of the audience I think will benefit from it. I didn't write this as a scalding expose of GamerGate in an attempt to tear them down. I wrote a lengthy post (at least, for me, some people can write almost literal novels) to illustrate some of the issues with reviews from the perspective of someone who has been both a reporter and a reviewer. You're free to also not believe that, though it's still true. Hell, you're free not to believe that I write on a blog, or any of the other things I've said. None of that matters.
It doesn't matter who you replied to. And if you must know, who you are and what you do is completely irrelevant to me, you're just some person with a high post count on some internet forum as far as I'm concerned, and why you're so afraid some internet troll will come after you to destroy your life when there's arguably much bigger targets out there, I don't understand, nor do I care all that much. What matters to me is that you hold potentially useful data that can improve the platform on which tens of thousands of people use to discuss issues in gaming (despite how ham-fisted that claim felt on your original post, but that's besides the point).

I mean, if you can't trust a random user with ten whole posts and no profile with such information, who can you trust?
Yeah well, I don't care about my e-peen.
 

Zhukov

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That blurb just made me miss the Susan Era of the Escapist so damn much.