RWBY episode 16

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

No idea who the second person is, but I'm not going to call it a rip off when the guy named after the monkey king has the same weapon as the monkey king.

The second person is Nu 13 from Blazblue.

If you watch the episode, Penny's weapons (a set of blades that float right next to her) are used in an almost identical fashion to Nu in the games.

Well like I said, the other guy was based off of the Monkey King from Odyssey to the West, Sun Wukong (They even have the same names) and if we're going to be accusing people of ripping off other sources, then we also need to accuse Dragon Ball and Enslaved: Odyssey to the West of being rip offs because both of those have main characters that use Sun's staff weapons and in DBZ, the Nimbus was based on it too.

There's a difference between being inspired by something and stealing something. The White trailer was oozing with inspirations from Dark Souls, massive knight, giant Gothic buildings, a spell that involved a character being surrounded by five balls of blue energy before they all get sent at its target and the knight dissolving into white mist as it dies. And as a Dark Souls fan, I actually thought that was awesome. The point is, unless they're copying things scene for scene and having every last thing that happened in that game happen in here, it's not really a rip off. People do stuff like this all the time. It's like the old saying goes "There are around six original stories that the Human race knows. There are just a lot of re-imaginings)

I guess that's true but the fact that it feels like Monty is ripping almost every trope of the high school drama and battle school anime format makes me a bit more likely to say he is being unoriginal. Ripping off may not be the right word but watching RWBY for me gives me a bit of dissonance when I see stuff copied so closely from other shows. Hell the entire last fight with Penny made me think "Should I be expecting Ragna the Bloodedge and Jin Kisaragi in the tournament" with how similar it felt.

 

[soren7550]

Yeah, overall it's pretty trope-y, and I'm disappointed that there wasn't much fighting to be had, but I still enjoy it.

Sun is a badass, and I hope to see more of him in later episodes (doesn't hurt that his VA is Michael), it's a shame that Ruby didn't get to fight Torchwick again, and for those of you wondering, Penny is likely based off of Pinocchio.

Here's hoping more new episodes come out soon.

 

[Tono Makt]

Look, it's the first season of a web series. They don't have the largest budget, and they don't have the most experienced people working on it. RvB was a little shaky it's first season too but people still loved it because it was funny, which it is. They seem like they're starting to get into their stride.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that RWBY should have the benefit of working for the people who went through all those mistakes already - and be able to avoid them. We aren't talking about a Studio that is new to this business, just a segment of the studio that's doing things by themselves now. Their product is created under the umbrella of the entire studio - Roosterteeth - and reflects upon it.

That's a big part of the disappointment in many of the fans - RvB has the format of short webisodes almost perfected. Each episode is a 5-8 min story tying into a larger narrative, there is a tie in to the antagonist in every episode (even if the antagonist isn't directly tied to the (semi)lovable losers of the Red and Blue teams, and a reminder in every episode about the overall plot of the show. Regardless of how people may feel about the overall show, it's a tight show that is well written. (And yes, you can hate or dislike something that is well written; I hate everything I've read from Charles Dickens and Jane Austen. But they were great writers, which is why their work is still so loved by English professors and literary folk to this day)

Why isn't RWBY tapping into that experience? Why is Roosterteeth letting them make such obvious mistakes - mistakes they DIDN'T make with RvB? As an example, RvB started off with 7 characters, 4 Reds and 3 Blues. It gave each character in "RED" vs "BLUE" to become fleshed out before introducing Sheila and Tex, then O'Malley, then Doc, etc. RWBY we don't get much characterization for Yang (Y, Yellow) that is worthy of a Main Character and it isn't until Episode 15-16 that we get anything worth of a Main Character from Blake (B, Black). We get about as much from Pyrra, Nora, Ren and Penny as we do from Yang. (Heck, we almost get as much from Glenda and Cardin as we get from Yang.) And yet we get several entire episodes dedicated to Jaune, including a full two part episode focused almost exclusively on him.

I can go on. I've gone on about these things on other threads. But the short summary is they've got the experience of Roosterteeth right down the hallway (if not the best in the business at short animated webisodic shows, then definitely in the top 5), they've got that experience coming in and doing voice acting, and signing their paycheques. Why isn't this experience being utilized to make the best product possible?

 

[Izanagi009_v1legacy]

Look, it's the first season of a web series. They don't have the largest budget, and they don't have the most experienced people working on it. RvB was a little shaky it's first season too but people still loved it because it was funny, which it is. They seem like they're starting to get into their stride.

The problem with this line of reasoning is that RWBY should have the benefit of working for the people who went through all those mistakes already - and be able to avoid them. We aren't talking about a Studio that is new to this business, just a segment of the studio that's doing things by themselves now. Their product is created under the umbrella of the entire studio - Roosterteeth - and reflects upon it.

That's a big part of the disappointment in many of the fans - RvB has the format of short webisodes almost perfected. Each episode is a 5-8 min story tying into a larger narrative, there is a tie in to the antagonist in every episode (even if the antagonist isn't directly tied to the (semi)lovable losers of the Red and Blue teams, and a reminder in every episode about the overall plot of the show. Regardless of how people may feel about the overall show, it's a tight show that is well written. (And yes, you can hate or dislike something that is well written; I hate everything I've read from Charles Dickens and Jane Austen. But they were great writers, which is why their work is still so loved by English professors and literary folk to this day)

Why isn't RWBY tapping into that experience? Why is Roosterteeth letting them make such obvious mistakes - mistakes they DIDN'T make with RvB? As an example, RvB started off with 7 characters, 4 Reds and 3 Blues. It gave each character in "RED" vs "BLUE" to become fleshed out before introducing Sheila and Tex, then O'Malley, then Doc, etc. RWBY we don't get much characterization for Yang (Y, Yellow) that is worthy of a Main Character and it isn't until Episode 15-16 that we get anything worth of a Main Character from Blake (B, Black). We get about as much from Pyrra, Nora, Ren and Penny as we do from Yang. (Heck, we almost get as much from Glenda and Cardin as we get from Yang.) And yet we get several entire episodes dedicated to Jaune, including a full two part episode focused almost exclusively on him.

I can go on. I've gone on about these things on other threads. But the short summary is they've got the experience of Roosterteeth right down the hallway (if not the best in the business at short animated webisodic shows, then definitely in the top 5), they've got that experience coming in and doing voice acting, and signing their paycheques. Why isn't this experience being utilized to make the best product possible?

Agreed, I posted on the other forum what I think and my opinion has soured a lot more especially after comparing this to something like Kill la Kill.
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I get it, you don't have a full team like Trigger does who has old hats at the job but the fight animation looks horrible with no sense of impact or destruction on the environment

This whole thing feels like the team's weak attempt to try to replicate an anime and not a Dramatic or action packed one but a meandering school slice of life one. This makes me even angry of having had hopes for this project

 

[StormShaun]

Okay before I talk my opinion of the series so far is right ... here, I pretty much do a casual review [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.832769-RWBY-Your-thoughts-on-the-Series?page=2#20351919].

In case you are too lazy to check that out here is the much shortened version.

I do have to admit it has problems.
- Animation.
- Plot/Story.
- The length.
- The number of action/non-action scenes.
- Characters.

In that finale ... all I really have to say is that all the problems are still there.
- Animation is still not as good as it could be. (During the non-fighting parts at least)

- Plot and story, my biggest problem with the series ... I have no idea where it is going. Especially in the last couple of episodes. (This episode had the usual next season stuff)

- Length is a small problem but they make the episodes longer in the climaxes and such (Like this last episode). Still it can't compare to actual anime that goes on for a full 25 minutes give or take.

I don't care what the creator said about the trailers.. you do not create such awesome fight scenes to represent your series only for it to be the opposite. That's false advertising

As Ryan/Caramel said, the trailers had promise of many great fighting scenes. Yet all I am seeing is more school related problems (with it's own theme of that whole academy of hunters or whatever).
AND, I am sure all we wanted was more fighting scenes.

- Characters ... once more, meh. The background/blacked out people I don't give a crap about (Especially when they are going to do a scene where many of them die), the side characters come in yet are forgotten easily and the main girls are pretty ... cliche ... yeah, really cliche. I mean I like Ruby since I really like that kind of personality with that kind of look.

These two new characters we didn't see much of either.

BUT still ... cliche.
The voicing I don't actually mind since I watch a lot of Rooster Teeth's stuff on Youtube.
All I can say is that I hope they can get the series on track, sure I'm probably going to keep watching it ... but I am tilting on the "Not liking it" side.