Sad Endings - They die, they all just die!

TitanAtlas

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I watched this has a Kid....


Heartbreaking to watch a full series of happy dinossaurs to get to this exact point.... i spent so much time... bonding with these puppets... hearing about them constantly.. and in the end... they just..

...die... :(
 

TheDarkKing

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Honestly, it depends on the story. Take say, Death Note: The ending isn't realy so 'sad' as the main character was a psychopath (in my opinion), but in the end, it could be easily counted as a 'sad ending' since the main character dies. But, if a story which has a forced sad ending its really kind of pointless. Also some stories use sad endings to portray a message.
 

Arif_Sohaib

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In this particular story the ending was sad because you are looking at a story written in a time of witch-hunts and the mermaid becomes a human with the help of a witch. In a story written in those time, she had to be punished or else Hans would be punished and in those days, punishment for writers meant a lot more than Fox News shouting at you or calling you names or possibly banning your book.
 

Teh Jammah

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MassiveGeek said:
I fucking hate undeserved happy endings, or "good" endings that just fuck things up. For example, in Naruto Shippuden...
... Gaara has his sandmonster taken from him, and he's on the verge of dying. Then some-fucking-how he didn't, and then became Hokage and everyone suddenly loved him. I hated that. I hated it a lot.[/B] I would've rather seen him dead than having his character ruined like that.

But of course, Naruto sucks so there's an explanation.


Wait... wut? Are we watching/reading the same Naruto here?

First off, he wasn't 'on the verge of dying' he was already dead. He was then brought back to life by Chiyo's forbidden medical technique - which killed Chiyo in the process. He never became Hokage - aka the leader of the hidden leaf - he was already the Kazekage and had been at an undetermined point during the time skip. And the reason everyone 'suddenly' loved him? Remember the fight with Diedara where he only got captured in the first place because he saved the entire frickin village from being blown to hell by Diedara's C3 special? Where he managed to avoid falling unconscious until he'd moved the metric fuckton of sand he'd used to protect them away from the village?

The only way I can see that as 'ruining' his character would be if you skipped from the Konoha Invasion arc straight to Shippuuden and missed the subsequent character develoopment and conversion to Narutoism.

Now if you'd brought up the abortion that was the Pain arc... now THEN we'd be talking my friend.

So Pain, the Akatsuki 'leader' attacks Konoha, looking to capture Naruto to extract the 9 tails. Naruto isn't actually there at the time, since he's off training at Toad Mountain, learning sage techniques. The six paths pretty much smash the place, Kakashi dies from chakra exhaustion, Shizune gets her soul/spirit/something ripped out and dies. Pain learns where Naruto is, then uses a suped up version of his 'god path' body's ability to flatten konoha. Naruto gets summoned back, fights him, takes out 5 of his 6 paths of pain bodies, but gets caught by God path. Hinata attempts to save him, gets beaten and stabbed, promting Naruto to fly into a homicidal rage, transform into six tails mode (later 8 and nearly all the way to 9) before having a one-to-one with his dead father inside his mind, transforming abck, beating god pain, tracking down the real Pain who remote controlled them and...

wait for it...


... talking him to death.

No, I'm serious, he literally has a chat with him, somehow convinces him of the error of his ways and as a result, the real Pain uses a technique that kills himself. And the best bit? Said technique revives EVERYONE KILLED IN THE KONOHA ATTACK - making the whole arc POINTLESS!

Face palms and raging were had

On the other hand, at least it's not Bleach. Where NOBODY dies

... that was entirely too long
 

Toriver

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As others have said, the ending should fit with the mood of the rest of the story. Is it a generally happy story? A happy ending would best suit it, like a sad ending would suit a sad story. But as another person also said, don't go too far and take it overboard. For example, I'm watching Elfen Lied right now and I don't know if I'll be able to finish it because it's just too damn depressing. It just keeps piling on the sad situations with only a barking puppy to lighten the mood. And yes, though I haven't gotten there yet, I know about the infamous "puppy scene" so even that becomes something sad. And with the way everything is presented, even when something good happens (which is rare so far), you still get depressed because of how the characters react to it, and that good thing never lasts for long. Seriously, I'm starting to think it's the Gloomy Sunday of anime. But right there, prime example of something sad taking it way out of hand.
 

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bahumat42 said:
and yes i used 3 scrubs clips, first things that came to my mind, its a good show and proves my point.
You forgot the saddest. The ending of the final real season. I have to turn that off sometimes.
But i love sad endings. Sometimes they are the most real. I love the most real shows that explore humans and all we entail. And sadness is a very real part of what we are.
 

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Teh Jammah said:
MassiveGeek said:
I fucking hate undeserved happy endings, or "good" endings that just fuck things up. For example, in Naruto Shippuden...
... Gaara has his sandmonster taken from him, and he's on the verge of dying. Then some-fucking-how he didn't, and then became Hokage and everyone suddenly loved him. I hated that. I hated it a lot.[/B] I would've rather seen him dead than having his character ruined like that.

But of course, Naruto sucks so there's an explanation.


Wait... wut? Are we watching/reading the same Naruto here?

First off, he wasn't 'on the verge of dying' he was already dead. He was then brought back to life by Chiyo's forbidden medical technique - which killed Chiyo in the process. He never became Hokage - aka the leader of the hidden leaf - he was already the Kazekage and had been at an undetermined point during the time skip. And the reason everyone 'suddenly' loved him? Remember the fight with Diedara where he only got captured in the first place because he saved the entire frickin village from being blown to hell by Diedara's C3 special? Where he managed to avoid falling unconscious until he'd moved the metric fuckton of sand he'd used to protect them away from the village?

The only way I can see that as 'ruining' his character would be if you skipped from the Konoha Invasion arc straight to Shippuuden and missed the subsequent character develoopment and conversion to Narutoism.

Now if you'd brought up the abortion that was the Pain arc... now THEN we'd be talking my friend.

So Pain, the Akatsuki 'leader' attacks Konoha, looking to capture Naruto to extract the 9 tails. Naruto isn't actually there at the time, since he's off training at Toad Mountain, learning sage techniques. The six paths pretty much smash the place, Kakashi dies from chakra exhaustion, Shizune gets her soul/spirit/something ripped out and dies. Pain learns where Naruto is, then uses a suped up version of his 'god path' body's ability to flatten konoha. Naruto gets summoned back, fights him, takes out 5 of his 6 paths of pain bodies, but gets caught by God path. Hinata attempts to save him, gets beaten and stabbed, promting Naruto to fly into a homicidal rage, transform into six tails mode (later 8 and nearly all the way to 9) before having a one-to-one with his dead father inside his mind, transforming abck, beating god pain, tracking down the real Pain who remote controlled them and...

wait for it...


... talking him to death.

No, I'm serious, he literally has a chat with him, somehow convinces him of the error of his ways and as a result, the real Pain uses a technique that kills himself. And the best bit? Said technique revives EVERYONE KILLED IN THE KONOHA ATTACK - making the whole arc POINTLESS!

Face palms and raging were had

On the other hand, at least it's not Bleach. Where NOBODY dies

... that was entirely too long


Alright, my bad, I messed up the names, Kazekage, Hokage, all that jazz, and I apologize.

Also it was about... I don't even know since I watched the bloody thing. And I couldn't get through the Naruto anime because I think the story is shit, though all the characters had marvelous potential they were never really used properly.

Also starting a franchise with an act of fanservice encouraging yaoi crackpairings is really not the way to win me over.

So fuck Naruto.

You may like it as much as you want though. I still think Gaara's character was ruined when they took his sandmonster away.
 

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Teh Jammah said:
So Pain, the Akatsuki 'leader' attacks Konoha, looking to capture Naruto to extract the 9 tails. Naruto isn't actually there at the time, since he's off training at Toad Mountain, learning sage techniques. The six paths pretty much smash the place, Kakashi dies from chakra exhaustion, Shizune gets her soul/spirit/something ripped out and dies. Pain learns where Naruto is, then uses a suped up version of his 'god path' body's ability to flatten konoha. Naruto gets summoned back, fights him, takes out 5 of his 6 paths of pain bodies, but gets caught by God path. Hinata attempts to save him, gets beaten and stabbed, promting Naruto to fly into a homicidal rage, transform into six tails mode (later 8 and nearly all the way to 9) before having a one-to-one with his dead father inside his mind, transforming abck, beating god pain, tracking down the real Pain who remote controlled them and...

wait for it...


... talking him to death.

No, I'm serious, he literally has a chat with him, somehow convinces him of the error of his ways and as a result, the real Pain uses a technique that kills himself. And the best bit? Said technique revives EVERYONE KILLED IN THE KONOHA ATTACK - making the whole arc POINTLESS!

Face palms and raging were had

On the other hand, at least it's not Bleach. Where NOBODY dies
Really? That sounds like a bad fan-fic
 

lacktheknack

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I tend to prefer my endings happy as well, but I'm starting to appreciate non-happy endings as well.

I've mentioned Geneforge 2 a lot recently, and dang it, I'm going to keep mentioning it. Specifically, none of its endings are really "happy". The endings range from "everything goes great for you and absolutely no one else" to "you've done the right thing, but now your life is wrecked" to "Congratulations. You nuked the world. Good job."

I actually like the idea of a game that throws you into a situation that ends with a Pyrrhic victory at best. It makes all of your actions carry more weight and contributes immeasurably to the game's atmosphere.
 

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I'm with... most people here...

Happy endings without emotional struggle are worthless, sad endings without emotional struggle are hollow, happy endings with emotional struggle are vindicating and sad endings with emotional struggle are poignant (usually to put it lightly).

The reason sad endings have greater impact is because they almost always force us (the reader, viewer, player etc.) to confront something that we're not comfortable with, be it death, dealing with death, but always an emotional descent of some sort. It is inevitable that we will experience something akin to it, but we want to put it off. Suddenly seeing it within a work of fiction is not immediately pleasant or desired, but as someone has already put it

catalyst8 said:
Catharsis
We, as someone who voluntarily immerses ourselves in the imagination of another person or persons require ultimate validation for our motivation to do so. For some people that's a happy ending for reasons of... 'simplicity' (no offence). However, there is greater catharsis to be found in a somewhat draining end experience because it is a form of subtle self-realisation and acknowledgement of the various aspects of the human condition. Death is just one of the easiest plot points to drive this through with: you have the protagonist (& his/her motivations/prejudices); those of the antagonists (if applicable); those of relative bystanders (and that includes the viewer/reader/player); those of companions; and, to a lesser or greater extent, those of those for whom the work of fiction is the brainchild.
 

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I loved the ending to Synecdoche, New York. Most people who have seen it think so too, or atleast that's the impression I've got.

He just dies. I dont think it's too sad, actually. It's just that. He dies. And the movie is over.
 

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Sometimes that's how a story should end. Stories about the fall of a character really must end in tragedy. Some stories about redemption must as well.

Macbeth, for instance, is about a man who allows a prophecy of his greatness to get to his head and does terrible things to ensure its fulfillment; he dies at the end due to his own failure to control his ambition (as well as that of his wife). That's why it's a tragedy.

Consider also the story of Anakin Skywalker; he didn't fall to the dark side and become Darth Vader randomly. That tragedy happened slowly, over time, as a result of his passions, his strong will, and his inability to keep those in check when dealing with those he loves. This also showcases the redemption; he, as Darth Vader, had gone way too far to survive a choice to return to the light. He gives his life to right his wrongs and save his son, freeing the galaxy of Imperial oppression through his actions. This is the ultimate sacrifice, the most complete way to take responsibility for one's actions and accept the punishment while also setting things right.

To take another more recent example, Paranormal Activity. The two protagonists are eventually taken by the demon because of both of their inability to deal with it. Micah is just generally being a jerk and not taking Katie's fears and experiences seriously, and Katie lets her fear control her and fails to take control of her own reactions. These failures to deal with the situation only exacerbate things and, eventually, lead to the death of both characters (in some endings, at least; I suppose considering the sequel the canonical ending has Katie remain alive and possessed).

But you are right in that sometimes it just doesn't work. For instance, Paranormal Activity 2. It followed the rather awful trend in horror films (seen also in Silent Hill, Nightmare on Elm Street, etc.) of wrapping everything up, having the main characters emerge victorious from their struggle... only to be defeated by a random force completely out of their control. Sometimes it's not even explained; there's just some random, unexplained thing that gives the story a bad ending despite the enemy having been decisively defeated. That's stupid. It's infuriating. And, rather than the endings of things like Star Wars, Macbeth, and the first Paranormal Activity, the death (or whatever else) means absolutely nothing; if there's a point to the story, this cop-out attempt at a scary ending makes the story about how nothing you do will ever amount to anything because your fate is entirely out of your hands. Nothing against Nihilism, but I see no point in telling a story like that.
 

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I love them, they stick with you much longer and are a good break from the usual happy endings.

Even better though, are gray endings. Half good half bad, that's getting REALLY CRAZY PLAYBOI!
 
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Screamarie said:
Now onto my point....I hate sad endings. I really do. I don't understand them. Don't get me wrong, some stories MUST have a sad ending, there's no other way, especially for stories that are trying to make a point of some sort...but for alot of stories...I don't get it.
Half Life 2: Episode 2 - No Spoilers

Portal - No Spoilers.

Sad endings can work, but they need to be an ending. Not just "Everyone Dies" because that's bollocks.

But everyone can still die.

Video Game land actually has far more sad endings than any other medium. Look at most plaform games. Either Bowser or Mario is going away sad.