Same thing every year /Slash the score

[PlipO]

I look forward to the annual release of PES and FIFA each year. Without fail each year, I find many things to gripe about concerning both games.
Both series have been familiar to us for many years and I expect they will both be still going for many decades to come.
Recently I have been re-evaluating how I judge these games. This is because early each both series make only incremental changes.
I understand that both EA and Konami want to build on their previous successes but with each passing year - I am less impressed with the offerings from both companies.

I believe that both series as well as all other sports games that are released annually - do not deserve to be judged by the same standards as original games or games such as GTA.
The basis of all Grand Theft Auto games are the same - you start out by committing small crimes and gradually go on to bigger crimes. With each GTA release, we get games that vastly differ from their predecessor. Each GTA game can stand out from the next and deserve to be judged without reference to any other in the series.
However with FIFA and PES - I feel that I play largely the same game year after year and experience recurring flaws with both games each year.

This is why I believe that both series as well as other sports series - should be marked down when they are reviewed by games journalists. The two football series have been going for more than fifteen years considering the different titles they have been released under.
We all know, games that score high with professional games journalists - sell more. Therefore original games are at a distinct disadvantage if they are released at the see time as these two staple of the games industry.

Journalists should deduct 25% of the final scores from each game unless ground breaking improvements are made that allow for better game play and entertainment experience.
I know this has much chance of happening as USA government saying - we have no clue what we are doing in Afghanistan and the war in Iraq was completely illegal.

I live in hope, maybe one day games developers will stop fleecing their customers after realising they have stumbled upon a game idea that millions want to enjoy even if we are offered sub standard products each year.

 

[olee12343]

How can you improve gameplay in a sports game? The subject matter (the sport) has established rules and organizations that would ruin the game if they are not followed. Comparing FIFA to GTA is pointless, considering GTA is an IP: original and completely in the control of its makers. With sports games, the only improvements that can be made are in the realms of features and graphics, which I believe sports games generally have done well each and every year.

Also, the amount of credit you give to reviewers tell me that you won't buy or try a game that falls below a certain score. While I look at reviews when buying games, they are not, and should not, be the ones who make my final decision. People who love a certain sport will buy the game regardless of its score.

Dropping 25% of the final score is, again, pointless. The journalist are paid to have an unbiased opinion and deducting 25% of a score because it's a sports game cries Genre-tism. And once again, I think you give review scores too much credit for a game's success.

 

[PlipO]

How can you improve gameplay in a sports game? The subject matter (the sport) has established rules and organizations that would ruin the game if they are not followed. Comparing FIFA to GTA is pointless, considering GTA is an IP: original and completely in the control of its makers. With sports games, the only improvements that can be made are in the realms of features and graphics, which I believe sports games generally have done well each and every year.

Also, the amount of credit you give to reviewers tell me that you won't buy or try a game that falls below a certain score. While I look at reviews when buying games, they are not, and should not, be the ones who make my final decision. People who love a certain sport will buy the game regardless of its score.

Dropping 25% of the final score is, again, pointless. The journalist are paid to have an unbiased opinion and deducting 25% of a score because it's a sports game cries Genre-tism. And once again, I think you give review scores too much credit for a game's success.

Were you serious when you said - how can game play of a sports games bee improved ?
Do you play sports games, have you seen the changes in game play over the years ?

Any game can be compared to another as is often done by consumers and journalists.
The scores that are given to games by professional journalist do boost games sales, why do you believe high scores are often added to games packaging ?

"Genre-tism" what does this mean?
When did I asked that journalist approach FIFA and PES with biases views ?
I requested that 25% of the final score be deducted. All games journalists refer to previous games in a series, this is natural when reviewing sequels.
I suggested that games journalists go one step further by deducting from the final score - this does not require bias.
If journalists were to have the intention to deduct a percentage from sports series such as the one I mentioned - most journalists would pay more attention to scrutinising each facet of these games therefore giving potential buyers a better evaluation and consequentially raise the standards for reviewing games that live off the hype of their predecessors successes.

 

[not a zaar]

I didn't think serious gamers played FIFA and all that crap. I thought it was just something moms buy for their 15 year olds.

 

[gavinator93]

EDIT:
i really should lock my computer before i leave the room, my bastard brothers gonna get me suspended/banned

 

[Captain Pancake]

I didn't think serious gamers played FIFA and all that crap. I thought it was just something moms buy for their 15 year olds.

So did I... I never saw the point in a sports game to be honest. If you like the sport, play the sport. A digitalised version that costs the same as going to see a game for real is no substitute.

 

[suhlEap]

realistically, sport games don't need to make groundbreaking changes, because there isn't much you can change. if they kept changing every time they'd get annoying. just don't buy every single one when it comes out and the series stay fresh. i played fifa 98 and thought it was decent. i didn't get another fifa game til '07, and i think that's also good despite being basically the same. just don't buy them all the time and it doesn't matter.

 

[olee12343]

Were you serious when you said - how can game play of a sports games bee improved ?
Do you play sports games, have you seen the changes in game play over the years ?

Any game can be compared to another as is often done by consumers and journalists.
The scores that are given to games by professional journalist do boost games sales, why do you believe high scores are often added to games packaging ?

"Genre-tism" what does this mean?
When did I asked that journalist approach FIFA and PES with biases views ?
I requested that 25% of the final score be deducted. All games journalists refer to previous games in a series, this is natural when reviewing sequels.
I suggested that games journalists go one step further by deducting from the final score - this does not require bias.
If journalists were to have the intention to deduct a percentage from sports series such as the one I mentioned - most journalists would pay more attention to scrutinising each facet of these games therefore giving potential buyers a better evaluation and consequentially raise the standards for reviewing games that live off the hype of their predecessors successes.

Regarding point #1: What CAN possibly change in a sports game? Please elaborate or cite examples other than "have you seen the changes in game play over the years?" Unless you mean refining gameplay, which does happen every year, but the gameplay itself never truly changes. Also, you might be talking about features, which I said can be changed/added by the developers.

Regarding point #2: No, you can't just simply compare any two games and hope to make a compelling argument. Comparing GTA to FIFA is like comparing apples to oranges. They're both fruits, but they taste completely different. Also, putting good reviews on packaging is a good advertising technique, but plenty of games sell well regardless of its "ratings". If your game recieves a good review, you would be dumb not to mention it on the box, but having bad reviews doesn't automatically kill a game. Look at the Dynasty Warriors series, I don't think a single game in that franchise has scored anything higher than an 8 on many reviews, yet it has one of the bigger fanbases in gaming.

Regarding point #3: By subtracting 25% of the score automatically because the game is a sports game doesn't seem bias to you? That's like saying "Let's give women a 25% decrease in pay because they're women." Once again, subtracting 25% from a total score is pointless if you're going to need a score. When you take into account that reviewers are paid to talk about the features of a game, I think consumers already get a pretty good idea of a game, regardless of what the score says. Once again, I think you take review scores too seriously, as usually the content of the review is much more valuable than the score given at the end.