Samurai Warriors 4 Empires Review - Too Much Stuff To Do

[DEAD34345]

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Tachibana Ginchiyo (立花 誾千代?, September 23, 1569 ? November 30, 1602) was head of the Japanese Tachibana clan during the Sengoku Period. She was the daughter of Tachibana Dōsetsu, a powerful retainer of the Ōtomo clan (which were rivals of the Shimazu clan at the time). Because Dosetsu had no sons, he requested that Ginchiyo be made family head after his death. About five years later, Ginchiyo was married to Tachibana Muneshige, who carried on Dōsetsu's family line.

She then participated in the Kyushu Suppression campaign serving under Hideyoshi Toyotomi where she met her future husband.

Both from wikipedia, though no sources cited for either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_Ginchiyo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_clan_%28samurai%29

That's weird... Following that link, mine just says this:

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Tachibana Ginchiyo (立花 誾千代?, September 23, 1569 ? November 30, 1602) was head of the Japanese Tachibana clan during the Sengoku Period. She was the daughter of Tachibana Dōsetsu, a powerful retainer of the Ōtomo clan (which were rivals of the Shimazu clan at the time). Because Dosetsu had no sons, he requested that Ginchiyo be made family head after his death. About five years later, Ginchiyo was married to Tachibana Muneshige, who carried on Dōsetsu's family line.

The line about her participating in the Kyushu Suppression campaign is completely missing. What the hell, wikipedia? Is this some kind of really weird regional difference? Why just that one sentence?

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

 

[monkeymangler]

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Tachibana Ginchiyo (立花 誾千代?, September 23, 1569 ? November 30, 1602) was head of the Japanese Tachibana clan during the Sengoku Period. She was the daughter of Tachibana Dōsetsu, a powerful retainer of the Ōtomo clan (which were rivals of the Shimazu clan at the time). Because Dosetsu had no sons, he requested that Ginchiyo be made family head after his death. About five years later, Ginchiyo was married to Tachibana Muneshige, who carried on Dōsetsu's family line.

She then participated in the Kyushu Suppression campaign serving under Hideyoshi Toyotomi where she met her future husband.

Both from wikipedia, though no sources cited for either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_Ginchiyo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachibana_clan_%28samurai%29

That's weird... Following that link, mine just says this:

Spoiler

Tachibana Ginchiyo (立花 誾千代?, September 23, 1569 ? November 30, 1602) was head of the Japanese Tachibana clan during the Sengoku Period. She was the daughter of Tachibana Dōsetsu, a powerful retainer of the Ōtomo clan (which were rivals of the Shimazu clan at the time). Because Dosetsu had no sons, he requested that Ginchiyo be made family head after his death. About five years later, Ginchiyo was married to Tachibana Muneshige, who carried on Dōsetsu's family line.

The line about her participating in the Kyushu Suppression campaign is completely missing. What the hell, wikipedia? Is this some kind of really weird regional difference? Why just that one sentence?

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

Follow the Tachibana Samurai link. It doesn't mention her on the battlefield, but she represented the Tachibana clan on the field (which is where the two links disagree). Hard to find full evidence she fought from non-Japanese sources, but the claim is likely based on historical records.

 

[monkeymangler]

If I played a lot of SW4, is it still worth getting this?

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

 

[DEAD34345]

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Follow the Tachibana Samurai link. It doesn't mention her on the battlefield, but she represented the Tachibana clan on the field (which is where the two links disagree). Hard to find full evidence she fought from non-Japanese sources, but the claim is likely based on historical records.

It's not in the second link for me either. The only mention of her at all is here:

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Dōsetsu had no sons, and nominated his daughter, Tachibana Ginchiyo, to succeed him. Shortly afterwards, she would marry Takahashi Munetora, a vassal of Toyotomi Hideyoshi, who helped defeat the Shimazu in Hideyoshi's Kyūshū Campaign. Upon inheriting the clan leadership, Takahashi took a new name, and became known as Tachibana Muneshige.

Very strange. There must be some kind of regional differences between the pages going on here, but why it'd specifically exclude her representing her clan on the field I don't know.

 

[RJ 17]

If I played a lot of SW4, is it still worth getting this?

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but I could feel my eyes lighting up at your description. Thanks.

One of my favorite aspects of the more recent Empires games (don't know if this is in SW:Empires, I know it's been in the last few DW:Empires) is the ability to simply play as an officer. Dunno why I enjoy it so much, I just like "RPing", for lack of a better term, of serving as a loyal retainer under a lord, trying to make someone else's dream of unifying the land a reality rather than striving for it myself.

.......that is, of course, until a rival faction sends you a secret letter saying that you'll be richly rewarded if you switch sides during the next battle....

I remember the first time I played an Empires game that let me defect in mid-battle I needed to change my boxers. :3

 

[monkeymangler]

If I played a lot of SW4, is it still worth getting this?

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but I could feel my eyes lighting up at your description. Thanks.

One of my favorite aspects of the more recent Empires games (don't know if this is in SW:Empires, I know it's been in the last few DW:Empires) is the ability to simply play as an officer. Dunno why I enjoy it so much, I just like "RPing", for lack of a better term, of serving as a loyal retainer under a lord, trying to make someone else's dream of unifying the land a reality rather than striving for it myself.

.......that is, of course, until a rival faction sends you a secret letter saying that you'll be richly rewarded if you switch sides during the next battle....

I remember the first time I played an Empires game that let me defect in mid-battle I needed to change my boxers. :3

Back in Samurai Warriors 2, I took over a southern section of the map and captured Oichi, who agreed to loyally serve me rather than be executed. Next battle against her husband? She betrays me mid-battle and nearly gets my forces wiped out. Captured her after the battle and cut her head off. The next six months are constant attacks from Nagamasa as he rages to try and avenge his wife.

This is why I love the Empires games.

 

[ChupathingyX]

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

It's Ii, not Li.

Also, they were heads of their respective clans, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actively fought in battles. Also bear in mind that there's a heavy amount of romanticism stemming from that period, so tales of people fighting in battles can sometimes be blown out of proportion.

 

[monkeymangler]

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

It's Ii, not Li.

Also, they were heads of their respective clans, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actively fought in battles. Also bear in mind that there's a heavy amount of romanticism stemming from that period, so tales of people fighting in battles can sometimes be blown out of proportion.

Yeah, I highly doubt Honda Tadakatsu went his whole career without getting wounded. That said:

https://books.google.com/books?id=oGvKpxC-4kcC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=Did+Ginchiyo+Tachibana+fight+in+battle?&source=bl&ots=AyBGfOg05m&sig=NQRXvZwATVo_p0g3Xk4ipmPnYEc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnoezKgLrLAhUC6WMKHY-qCdo4ChDoAQghMAE#v=onepage&q=Did%20Ginchiyo%20Tachibana%20fight%20in%20battle%3F&f=false

While evidence of her fighting during the Kyushu campaign is scarce, we do have the story of Ginchiyo leading Buddhist monks in battle against the advance of Kato Kiyomasa. This was several years after she became head of the clan and supposedly participated in battle before marrying Muneshige.

 

[ChupathingyX]

Yeah, I highly doubt Honda Tadakatsu went his whole career without getting wounded. That said:

https://books.google.com/books?id=oGvKpxC-4kcC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=Did+Ginchiyo+Tachibana+fight+in+battle?&source=bl&ots=AyBGfOg05m&sig=NQRXvZwATVo_p0g3Xk4ipmPnYEc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnoezKgLrLAhUC6WMKHY-qCdo4ChDoAQghMAE#v=onepage&q=Did%20Ginchiyo%20Tachibana%20fight%20in%20battle%3F&f=false

While evidence of her fighting during the Kyushu campaign is scarce, we do have the story of Ginchiyo leading Buddhist monks in battle against the advance of Kato Kiyomasa. This was several years after she became head of the clan and supposedly participated in battle before marrying Muneshige.

I don't doubt that females took part in battles (mostly defensive ones), but based on what information we have (which is very barebones as you said), it's hard to really ascertain just how involved they were, unfortunately.

 

[RJ 17]

Well, in Japan during the Sengoku period, both Li Naotora and Ginchiyo Tachibana actively fought in battles, with Ginchiyo being a female daimyo for a short time after her father's death and before she married.

I realise I'm now seriously off-topic here, but what the fuck?

It's Ii, not Li.

Also, they were heads of their respective clans, but that doesn't necessarily mean they actively fought in battles. Also bear in mind that there's a heavy amount of romanticism stemming from that period, so tales of people fighting in battles can sometimes be blown out of proportion.

You mean to tell me Nobunaga didn't literally fly around the battlefield like a hellspawn wielding a sword engulfed in black flames? Awwwww....

If I played a lot of SW4, is it still worth getting this?

The general gameplay is the same, but the overall mode is much different. Think Civilization, where you have to manage your army's relationships, food, and morale and select how you will attack the other clans in a quest to unify Japan. A lot of micromanaging and planning compared to just slaughtering peons.

I'm not sure what this says about me, but I could feel my eyes lighting up at your description. Thanks.

One of my favorite aspects of the more recent Empires games (don't know if this is in SW:Empires, I know it's been in the last few DW:Empires) is the ability to simply play as an officer. Dunno why I enjoy it so much, I just like "RPing", for lack of a better term, of serving as a loyal retainer under a lord, trying to make someone else's dream of unifying the land a reality rather than striving for it myself.

.......that is, of course, until a rival faction sends you a secret letter saying that you'll be richly rewarded if you switch sides during the next battle....

I remember the first time I played an Empires game that let me defect in mid-battle I needed to change my boxers. :3

Back in Samurai Warriors 2, I took over a southern section of the map and captured Oichi, who agreed to loyally serve me rather than be executed. Next battle against her husband? She betrays me mid-battle and nearly gets my forces wiped out. Captured her after the battle and cut her head off. The next six months are constant attacks from Nagamasa as he rages to try and avenge his wife.

This is why I love the Empires games.

Things like that are why I have an Execute-On-Capture decree for Diao Chan. I forget which game it was - might have been DW:E6 (on a side-note, I think I'm the only person who like DW6 and it's Empires ) - but Diao Chan was a wandering officer who offered to join my kingdom. Woo-hoo! Free main-character general! A few turns later she decides to rebel and start her own kingdom. I lost a province and half my generals!

I don't fall for her charms anymore...I don't care how good of a dancer she is. Her head looks just as pretty on a pike as it does on her shoulders.