Satanism: Misunderstood

[Helnurath]

LOL! This is the first thread Ive seen on Satanism on the Escapist.
I would go into an all out explantion, but our High Priest can do a much more better job of explaining it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfUhoHc-HB8

IF you have any specific questions about us, feel free to ask me in a PM.

 

[Helnurath]

More information about Satanists.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6orhXL7_vr8&feature=related (start at 5:00)

http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html (Theory and Practice)

 

[Helnurath]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

 

[Gladion]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Does sticking needles into a puppet or burning a piece of paper work for everyone? It's hard to imagine that, no matter how tempered you are, you will be fine by this. People are very varied. What he praised in the video was only one step away from vigilantism, too. It seems rather dangerous.

 

[AmrasCalmacil]

*snip

5) More the fact that they had prostitutes and were essentially moral-free havens for evil.

I thought it was because they wanted to rape an angel or something.
Hm. I can't remember.

 

[Helnurath]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Does sticking needles into a puppet or burning a piece of paper work for everyone? It's hard to imagine that, no matter how tempered you are, you will be fine by this. People are very varied. What he praised in the video was only one step away from vigilantism, too. It seems rather dangerous.

It is if you are sincere in wanting not to be hateful or angry (while anger and hate can be a good motivating factor in say beating that other guy in COD4, it does not really work well in the real world, its better to do the ritual and move on then stay angry and waste time or energy on things and people that are not worth it). I myself have done it a number of times. Its like anger management, but you get to burn stuff. Satanists will never go out and say kill someone for cutting them off in traffic or something, but if we do our ritual and something bad happens to said person, do not expect us to feel bad or care. Whether we like it or not, we can't just go out and kill people to avenge ourselves, how does being in jail help us live our lives to the fullest? I think Boondock Saints sums it up best "Do not kill, Do not steal, these are codes by which all men of all faiths can live by"

 

[Gladion]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Does sticking needles into a puppet or burning a piece of paper work for everyone? It's hard to imagine that, no matter how tempered you are, you will be fine by this. People are very varied. What he praised in the video was only one step away from vigilantism, too. It seems rather dangerous.

It is if you are sincere in wanting not to be hateful or angry (while anger and hate can be a good motivating factor in say beating that other guy in COD4, it does not really work well in the real world, its better to do the ritual and move on then stay angry and waste time or energy on things and people that are not worth it). I myself have done it a number of times. Its like anger management, but you get to burn stuff. Satanists will never go out and say kill someone for cutting them off in traffic or something, but if we do our ritual and something bad happens to said person, do not expect us to feel bad or care. Whether we like it or not, we can't just go out and kill people to avenge ourselves, how does being in jail help us live our lives to the fullest? I think Boondock Saints sums it up best "Do not kill, Do not steal, these are codes by which all men of all faiths can live by"

I see your point, but then there's people like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Nödtveidt who prove me that there are people who can absolutely not handle this. It seems like a nice deal if everybody was sane in their mind, but that is not the case. If you do not harm anyone, I can respect what you do, but I don't think it's a religion that is very well suited for the masses.
Of course, Nödtveidt was no fan of the Church of Satan, but I think you get my point.

 

[Angerwing]

What if all us Christians are RIGHT? Where does that leave you?

Okay then, say I become a Christian. Then what if it is the Muslims who are right? Where does that leave me?

Pascal's Wager is an interesting construction but flawed. It is just as likely that Christianity is the ultimate form of blasphemy than Satanism is. We simply do not know.

If you become a Christian and the Muslims were right (hypothetically) then at worst you are in the same position you would have been had you remained an agnostic or whatever you are. So what do you lose in the grand scheme of things? As I have said before if you die an Agnostic or Atheist then no matter who is right you are not going to benefit from it. So with that in mind its really kind of stupid...for lack of a better word...to argue "what if Christianity is wrong?" Even if it were wrong then it still doesn't change the fact that so are you.

Actually, as far as I am aware, if you are a Christian and the Muslims are right, you will go to heaven. Most people fail to understand that in Islam, God=Allah=Yahweh.

The Muslim, Christian and Jewish god is the same God according to Islam. Mohammed said that Christians and Jews should be all G in the eyes of the lord.

Edit: Also, I wouldn't join a religion just to hedge my bets of getting into heaven. I think if there is a God, and on judgement day he judges everyone, he wouldn't be taking the Christians first. Choosing who gets into heaven on some bullshit call of faith isn't really Godly, and if it is, then I'm damn glad I don't believe.

 

[Helnurath]

I see your point, but then there's people like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Nödtveidt who prove me that there are people who can absolutely not handle this. It seems like a nice deal if everybody was sane in their mind, but that is not the case. If you do not harm anyone, I can respect what you do, but I don't think it's a religion that is very well suited for the masses.
Of course, Nödtveidt was no fan of the Church of Satan, but I think you get my point.

I agree on a few things, but first Satanism is not a religion, and we don't go out looking for people to join, we dont advertise, and most of us wont aknowledge that we are Satanists. Satanism is not for the masses as most people will never really comprehend what we are about or what we do or want for the rest of the world. There are tons upon tons of people doing horrible things to other people, but the simple fact is, none of them are TRUE Satanists. A TRUE Satanist will never, ever kill another person unless they absolutely have to protect themselves or loved ones. The fact that he resorted to violence means he isn't one of us. We do not acknowledge the existance of so-called sects of Satanism as there are none, in a world full of copycats, we are unique. If the Satanic Bible is not a complete reflection of how you feel about the world or how you live your life, you aren't one of us. Its like a secret society that you are born into.

 

[The_Prophet]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Uhh, No? Unlike someone I have a brain, and a GAMING PC. I would never EVER kill a person (brain) and if I need to vent I play videogames.
I do stupid things but not psychoticly-stupid. Your argument is flawed.
EDIT: And yeah, I do destruction rituals or whatever, in [Prototype], WoW, CoD4, TF2, L4D, Half-Life 2....

 

[Helnurath]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Uhh, No? Unlike someone I have a brain, and a GAMING PC. I would never EVER kill a person (brain) and if I need to vent I play videogames.
I do stupid things but not psychoticly-stupid. Your argument is flawed.
EDIT: And yeah, I do destruction rituals or whatever, in [Prototype], WoW, CoD4, TF2, L4D, Half-Life 2....

Killing people in real life over trivial things is stupid. Playing violent video games to release anger is not.

 

[The_Prophet]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Uhh, No? Unlike someone I have a brain, and a GAMING PC. I would never EVER kill a person (brain) and if I need to vent I play videogames.
I do stupid things but not psychoticly-stupid. Your argument is flawed.
EDIT: And yeah, I do destruction rituals or whatever, in [Prototype], WoW, CoD4, TF2, L4D, Half-Life 2....

Killing people in real life over trivial things is stupid. Playing violent video games to release anger is not.

Theere we go, you agree with me. Satanism is evil and retarded because it promotes that you are teh Best and you can do whatever you want and It doesn't take a genious to figure out that that's bad. (thanks, random person who created an anti-satanist thread)

 

[Helnurath]

From what you've put there, it sounds good. But I doubt thats the whole story.

He's one of those people who try to impose their values and draw more people to the sect (of however you spell that). I don't buy what he says.
Satan is EVIL and satanism is wrong.

Have you ever been really really angry and hateful at someone, so much to the point to where you would want to kill said person? Well, instead of killing the poor person; You do a destruction ritual to clear your mind of all that hate and anger, so you don't go out and do something stupid.

Uhh, No? Unlike someone I have a brain, and a GAMING PC. I would never EVER kill a person (brain) and if I need to vent I play videogames.
I do stupid things but not psychoticly-stupid. Your argument is flawed.
EDIT: And yeah, I do destruction rituals or whatever, in [Prototype], WoW, CoD4, TF2, L4D, Half-Life 2....

Killing people in real life over trivial things is stupid. Playing violent video games to release anger is not.

Theere we go, you agree with me. Satanism is evil and retarded because it promotes that you are teh Best and you can do whatever you want and It doesn't take a genious to figure out that that's bad. (thanks, random person who created an anti-satanist thread)

LOL!

 

[cobra_ky]

Let me rephrase that. In order to be a true Roman Catholic, I'd have to accept everything they teach. Same goes for Satanism. I, however, do not. Therefore, I am not truly Roman Catholic or Satanist. When I said religions "want" you to follow them, what I meant was that in order to belong to a group, you have to give up your individual ideas in favor of theirs. In order to be truly Satanist, I'd have to believe everything that religion teaches.

i think i understand a little better now, but i still disagree with this. there's no well-defined set of beliefs that Catholics have to follow. i've heard of catholics who support gay marriage and catholics who don't follow the vatican. both would be insulted if you said they weren't "true" catholics. as a reform jew, i believe a lot of traditional jewish laws and beliefs are no longer truly relevant to the modern world. i don't think it makes me any less jewish.

 

[Rorschach II]

as a reform jew, i believe a lot of traditional jewish laws and beliefs are no longer truly relevant to the modern world. i don't think it makes me any less jewish.

I agree, Im Buddhist and alot of practises and beliefs just don't find the right place in modern society today.

But the point I was making originally is that its got alot of bad reputation and is actually quite smart and thought through, philosophically speaking.

 

[Ryu2622]

But Satan really is the greatest character ever created...

i'll say, have you ever read Paradise Lost? It's a hard read, but well worth it

First of all, I can think of a few better characters than Satan...the computer from Portal for instance (Cake anybody?)

Second of all I prefer the Bible to Paradise Lost when it comes to actual religious text. That is not to say that Paradise Lost is not a fascinating piece of fiction. I agree with your recommendation but its about as reliable as Dante' Inferno (another good read) when it comes to religious studies.

I actually see all of it as fiction, I'm an atheist

 

[Flying-Emu]

*snip

5) More the fact that they had prostitutes and were essentially moral-free havens for evil.

I thought it was because they wanted to rape an angel or something.
Hm. I can't remember.

We're talking about the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah, right...?

 

[AmrasCalmacil]

*snip

5) More the fact that they had prostitutes and were essentially moral-free havens for evil.

I thought it was because they wanted to rape an angel or something.
Hm. I can't remember.

We're talking about the stories of Sodom and Gomorrah, right...?

I'd assume so. Unless I'm getting mixed up with another story.

 

[Flying-Emu]

So basically your definition of "biblical metaphor" is, "part of the Bible that I don't agree with." Isn't that a little bit too convenient?

It's a coincidence, yes, but it's the truth nonetheless. The Old Testament, to put it simply, is almost entirely metaphorical.

 

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