Satoru Iwata Asserts Nintendo is More Than Just Video Games

MeChaNiZ3D

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Right... and yet for all the talk of serving a higher ideal, that's what Nintendo does. Video games. And hardly anything else. Which is fine, but saying you're just carrying out the will of fun is a bit pretentious.
 

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PoolCleaningRobot said:
xaszatm said:
New Super Mario Bros Wii U, New Super Mario Bros 3D World, The Wonderful 101, Zombie U, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, TANK! TANK! TANK!, Game and Wario. All these are out right now on the Wii U. And that's not including: Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame V, Mario Kart 8, Shin Meagmi Tensei X Fire Emblem, Hyrule Warriors, and more.
So that's what? Sequels sequels and more sequels. Three Mario games. Platformers and jrpgs. The outliers on that list are Shin Meagmi Tensei X Fire Emblem, Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame V, and TANK! TANK! TANK! That's fine and dandy for you but I remember a magical time called "The Gamecube" era where Nintendo invested in different genres and made games with some meat in addition to the colorful "kids to adults" games and *gasp* actually released 3rd party titles on their console that wasn't centered around the latest gimmick. Most Nintendo fans cite that as the time Nintendo didn't make any money and clearly the Wii made money which means it was great console regardless of the motion-control crippled, shite that came out on it. Do you think people would be buying XB1's, PS4's, and gaming pc's if Nintendo actually made a console that had the same 3rd party titles and a diverse catalog of Nintendo first party titles?
3 Platformers, 2 Action, 1 RTS, 1 FPS, and 1 Mini-Game Collection out right now and 2 Action, 1 Horror, 1 Racing, and 2 (I forgot to put X up there) JRPG coming soon. You sure are right, those are really are the same games genre. All platformers and JRPG's as for as the eye can see.

You are free to think whatever you like about the Gamecube, the Wii, and the Wii U. After all, at the end of the day, it's just a games console. But please think before opening your mouth. Of course XB1's, PS4's, and Gaming PC's would be bought by people even IF Nintendo pandered solely to the hardcore crowd. Why? Because people just prefer other consoles that have different styles (see the last placement of the N64 and Nintendo Gamecube in their respectful console races).
 

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xaszatm said:
PoolCleaningRobot said:
xaszatm said:
New Super Mario Bros Wii U, New Super Mario Bros 3D World, The Wonderful 101, Zombie U, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, TANK! TANK! TANK!, Game and Wario. All these are out right now on the Wii U. And that's not including: Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame V, Mario Kart 8, Shin Meagmi Tensei X Fire Emblem, Hyrule Warriors, and more.
So that's what? Sequels sequels and more sequels. Three Mario games. Platformers and jrpgs. The outliers on that list are Shin Meagmi Tensei X Fire Emblem, Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame V, and TANK! TANK! TANK! That's fine and dandy for you but I remember a magical time called "The Gamecube" era where Nintendo invested in different genres and made games with some meat in addition to the colorful "kids to adults" games and *gasp* actually released 3rd party titles on their console that wasn't centered around the latest gimmick. Most Nintendo fans cite that as the time Nintendo didn't make any money and clearly the Wii made money which means it was great console regardless of the motion-control crippled, shite that came out on it. Do you think people would be buying XB1's, PS4's, and gaming pc's if Nintendo actually made a console that had the same 3rd party titles and a diverse catalog of Nintendo first party titles?
3 Platformers, 2 Action, 1 RTS, 1 FPS, and 1 Mini-Game Collection out right now and 2 Action, 1 Horror, 1 Racing, and 2 (I forgot to put X up there) JRPG coming soon. You sure are right, those are really are the same games genre. All platformers and JRPG's as for as the eye can see.
I gave credit where credit was due. They have Bayonetta and Fatal Frame, but your list says it all. Nintendo consoles means Mario, sequels, and few hot titles. For every Bayonetta there's more action games like Metal Gear Revengence on the other devices and for every Fatal Frame there's multiple good horror titles like Outlast. I can't say there are many games like Super Smash Bros or Shin Meagmi Tensei X Fire Emblem in the world, but I can live without them in exchange for a catalog of other genres I like. Its not like Nintendo makes first party horror games to draw me in

You are free to think whatever you like about the Gamecube, the Wii, and the Wii U. After all, at the end of the day, it's just a games console. But please think before opening your mouth. Of course XB1's, PS4's, and Gaming PC's would be bought by people even IF Nintendo pandered solely to the hardcore crowd. Why? Because people just prefer other consoles that have different styles (see the last placement of the N64 and Nintendo Gamecube in their respectful console races).
Pandering. If by pandering you mean "makes desirable products" then yes. Nintendo is an entertainment company. What would they do other than "pander" to someone? They can pander to me which is make good games and a good gaming device that's not centered around a forced gimmick or they can pander to you which apparently means no third parties. I never said they should stop making their games. On the contrary, they should continue. Unlike you, I believe I can have my cake and eat it too if Nintendo didn't shun away third parties with their casual console. I could have enjoyed Fallout 3 and an HD Metroid Prime on my 2006 Wii instead of waiting until 2014 to see a high res version of Samus and buying another device. But no, Nintendo found out they could sell a $250 Wii Fit box and didn't care for anyone else. Sure people would still use pc, xbox, and ps but given the head start but the Wii U wouldn't be floundering right now if it had more to offer. History has always shown that the cheaper console sells more but that clearly isn't enough for the Wii U now

That sounds bitter but feel free to like and buy whatever you want. I don't care. Nintendo has so much money they can afford to reinvent themselves, so maybe in the future its you they won't be making games for. I was just trying to answer you and Aiddon question as to "where the bile comes from?"
 

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Nintendo used to be more than Video games. then they went 100% videogames. now they seem to be trying to get out of it again (like the fitness technology aquisition), but will they suceed is up to the future. right now Nintendo is just video games. and they are handling it poorly.
 

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People often say (myself included) that Nintendo is all about video games while Sony and Microsoft are not. Guess that isn't true anymore.
 

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Can't really blame them. They're losing in the console market but WiiFit sold like hotcakes. A good CEO would jump at the opportunity to explore their new found market. A short-sighted, capitalistic CEO would throw their core market (gaming) under the bus whilst doing so.

Can we please sack this piece of shit? Nintendo desperately needs fresh management.
 

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You know this is one of those times I'm sort of inclined to agree and say Iwata step down and someone "young and fesh/hip" to take over, because when they obviously fail at this "new" attempt I'll have free reign to absolutely lay into and lynch those that thought it was a better idea, bar none, because I love when people go that far, it means they're willing to purposely set themselves up for a fall.
 

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xaszatm said:
New Super Mario Bros Wii U, New Super Mario Bros 3D World, The Wonderful 101, Zombie U, Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, TANK! TANK! TANK!, Game and Wario. All these are out right now on the Wii U. And that's not including: Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame V, Mario Kart 8, Shin Megami Tensei X Fire Emblem, Hyrule Warriors, and more. If you do not want a Wii U, that's perfectly OK. You are no longer the target audience for the Wii U. But can we stop with the notion that Nintendo has no knock-out games yet? Or that Nintendo doesn't have quality games on the system? Because it does.
Errr..... okay?

I actually OWN a Wii U, and have had it for over a year. I bought my Wii on launch night, as I did with my 3DS. I've owned (and still have) every Nintendo platform since the SNES. I have like 40 GCN games for god's sake.

I am a Nintendo FANBOY. I always will be.

... and yet, even so, I stand by my statement.

Good 3rd party stuff is always nice, don't get me wrong, but 3rd party has traditionally been Nintendo's weakness - a weakness that they've almost ALWAYS made up for with the near-unmatched level of brand recognition and quality that their 1st-Party lineup provides.

Mario Kart will always have a welcome slot on my shelf, as will Smash Bros, but where is Zelda? Metroid? F-Zero? Star Fox? Half of the big-name IPs are still in the corner, gathering dust.
At this stage, it looks like it's up to Sakurai to pull the Wii U out of the dregs. I almost feel sorry for the poor guy.
 

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Just like Michael Pachter does everyday, I'm going to call for Iwata's head. That "Quality of Life" program is the worst idea, and nobody should be championing it as solving Nintendo's issues. Expanding into new markets is a good idea, but not into a market that's totally unrelated to your original. Iwata is the only person believing in this lame scheme, and if I was a shareholder, I'd be extremely worried. With him, it's either backwards-ass thinking or what-the-fuck thinking. Let's hope he gets voted out in June.
 

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Ummm, guys? You ARE video games. It's what you sell. It's your product. Putting a philosophy on it will not change this.
 

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BrotherRool said:
Serious question, does Nintendo make something other than video games? Otherwise saying some of their employees have 'started' to believe that Nintendo is a company that makes video games seems like a delusional complaint.



This whole thing sounds like an Onion article 'Loser in the current console wars starts complaining that people think they make video games'

Well you have to understand that just a couple of years ago they did consider themselves more as a toy company than a videogame company.

What I mean by that is that they say videogames as a toy product and to make them of the highest quality. Now I suppose they are starting to see themselves as a videogame company in the sense that it is an entertainment medium like film and literature.
 

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rasputin0009 said:
Just like Michael Pachter does everyday, I'm going to call for Iwata's head. That "Quality of Life" program is the worst idea, and nobody should be championing it as solving Nintendo's issues. Expanding into new markets is a good idea, but not into a market that's totally unrelated to your original. Iwata is the only person believing in this lame scheme, and if I was a shareholder, I'd be extremely worried. With him, it's either backwards-ass thinking or what-the-fuck thinking. Let's hope he gets voted out in June.
You do realize in Nintendo's 100+ years of history they have been a Hanafuda cards business, a taxi business, a love hotel business (although that one is still up for debate) and a toys company right?

In fact, they still make Hanafuda cards on the side, and some of the stuff they have come up with on the Wii has very valuable potential in other fields. Especially medicine.

I would also say that they wouldn't pass up tech like the pulse sensor either. I'm pretty sure there are a couple of medical facilities looking at that in interest in the background.
 

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NoeL said:
Can't really blame them. They're losing in the console market but WiiFit sold like hotcakes. A good CEO would jump at the opportunity to explore their new found market. A short-sighted, capitalistic CEO would throw their core market (gaming) under the bus whilst doing so.

Can we please sack this piece of shit? Nintendo desperately needs fresh management.
When did he say he was throwing videogames under the bus?

I don't see people claiming that of Sony and they have their arms extended into the music, film, and television business.