School Bans Wi-Fi Over Heatlh Concerns

[orangecharger]

Meaford is a sleepy little town next to a mostly sleepy resort town in Northwestern Ontario. Let them go back to a time before wireless internet in the schools, and feel safe in their lead piped, asbestos insulated homes, microwaving their mac & cheese, watching the game on satellite tv, while talking to Ma on the cordless - resting easy because they know today they saved their children from a serious threat.

 

[King Toasty]

Great, the media has a new thing to fear. Like hating vaccines wasn't good enough for them.

Before you know it, we'll all have Malaria within 2015.

Because malaria is better than a .001% chance that something might possibly not work right. And then you can't walk backwards are something, and TLC does a documentary on it.

 

[Researcher]

The problem is real those symptoms can't be faked but Wi-Fi EMR is NOT the cause.
Wi-Fi only allows laptop computers to be used anywhere. That, in turn, allows students to create the "special circumstances" for Subliminal Distraction exposure, a much more dangerous problem.

SD was discovered to cause mental breaks in offices forty years ago. The cubicle was designed to deal with the vision startle reflex to stop it there by 1968.

The risk is that failure to provide Cubicle Level Protection where needed will increase exposure when students plug in LAN wired connectivity.

Failure to warn families might result in exposure in homes so that these students could have more serious outcomes.

VisionAndPsychosis.Net

 

[Researcher]

The problem is real but not Wi-Fi EMR caused. It's a problem called Subliminal Distraction exposure and was discovered and solved forty years ago. The cubicle prevents mental breaks it causes in business offices since 1968.

 

[A Pious Cultist]

...........no :/

I'm part of several studies looking into effects of long term exposure to microwave radiation. but without any proof it's best to be cautious as this is not the first case of people getting ill and in fact many bureaucratic (official) regulators don't take account of the full emissions a device may give off.

But we know that they don't have any immediate damaging effect beyond heating in high concentration. If this "long term effect" is so small it cannot be measured then it will probably take a lifetime to develop symptoms... I'd like to see you single out one cause of illness over an entire lifetime of being exposed to things unless you keep some guy in a faraday cage for his entire life.

Essentially your argument relies on the radiation interacting with the body in ways that we can't yet detect... but 100,000 years in the future unless we understand exactly how radiation works at a fundemental level and have proof we won't be able to rule out that argument any more than we can now.

You're basically asking us to confirm string theory before we can use Wi Fi (since knowing exactly what and how radiation works would be the only way to disprove that it isnt interacting with our bodies in a currently undetectable very long term way).

 

[Hashime]

These parents are idiots. It was proven that at least one of the students faked ill because their parent asked them too, and many many very well educated people have tried to explain that there in no possible way for the Wifi transmitters to harm anyone at that amplitude.

 

[SomeUnregPunk]

I'm so disappointed in the idiocy of these people. It makes me ashamed to say that I live in Ontario. There is no scientific evidence suggesting that radio waves have any adverse medical effects on children or adults. Students in a class will always be sick; cum hoc ergo propter hoc , ever heard that saying? It is used to describe the fallacy that because A happened before B, A must have caused B. This is not the case, correlation does not imply causation. There is a multitude of variables that need to be considered here, and removing Wireless internet from schools with conducting proper research simply because children say they are sick is not the way to go.

Canada isn't the only place where idoits reside : http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/12/wi-fi-allergies-leave-man-homeless/

In Santa Fe, New Mexico , a man claims that he driven from his home due to his neighbors use of electronic devices. "such as cell phones, computers, compact fluorescent lights and dimmer rheostats is aggravating his "electromagnetic sensitivity" and causing him to get sick"

He also tried to sue the city into killing WiFi based on health concerns. The probelm with many of the anti-wiFi and anti- everything crowd is that they can not replicate the result in a scientific exam. They can replicate the results when they use poor science...

I.E.
doctor: turns on a switch. "You should be feeling wifi now."
the dude: "It hurts! turn it off"
doctor: turns it off. "Woohoo! My theory is correct! Now it's time to sue the world!"

 

[Aiden_the-Joker1]

I also hope they don't let those poor innocent children run about outside during break and lunch, one of them might even get....*gasp*..... a scraped knee!

 

[mr_rubino]

Aaaaand once again, we get to call the paranoid ramblings of a small localized handful of people out of the billions of people on this planet whose experiences have gelled completely with all known facts about Phenomenon X "scientific data" because, hey, it's not like the term has any meaning or importance any more anyway.
For one, it seems they can override actual research and study, so I guess they really are just as good. "Teach the controversy", eh Nailzy? We can't go around using scary new technology until we have disproven all unknown dangers.

This isn't an argument, basically this is slander. You obviously did not read what I said as you are projecting so hard I'm surprised we don't pick you up on satellite. Besides which you have no actual content in this dis-jarred convoluted mess of a paragraph other than you making grandiose claims about what you imagine people are thinking and saying globally and locally. You think these people are harmful to science? I think what is really harmful is your complete lack of critical thinking. Everything you say and have said so far is opinion of yours and conjecture, imagination basically. You are the guiltiest of what you accuse others of. The fact that you react to this on any other level than "Ok, let's test this" divorces you from any right to claim science as your ally. The sophistry exhibited by the quoted paragraph is offensively simplistic and incoherent; you make not an attempt at anything except the rambling of memes disjointedly strung together in anger.

Digging through all the "ur a meenie cuz u state things in ways that make me sad" herp-de-derp, I'll respond to the sentence or two that does anything but throw up the typical smokescreen that people create when they have avoided all facts: It's been tested and your form of "reasoning" is superstitious and undeveloped. If, God forbid, this kind of illogic became the norm, we may as well all be having panic attacks if we step on a crack in the sidewalk.

While I'm half-sure some mod will scold me (in about three days) for making you support your semi-hypothesis in this every-kid-deserves-a-trophy culture: Say something of substance that supports running screaming from wifi with the body of research currently available.
(Then disprove the existence of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, because naturally I have to come right out and say why your logic is flawed instead of giving you the means to figure it out on your own.)

 

[Gearran]

You do know that if the gain on a Microwave transmitter is turned up it can kill a person?

This is true. However, what you forgot to mention is that, in order to do this, you would have to turn up the gain to the point where people on the moon would be getting your wifi. Further, doing this would be kind of noticeable (the military is using microwaves in their nonlethal "pain ray") and would take several minutes that could be spent...y'know, getting out of the radius or finding adequate shielding.

OP: The point most critics of this 'deadly airwaves' controvosy is that scientists have NO idea what the long term effects are to adults or children.

Yes, actually, they do. Microwaves (and other forms of radiation) have been the subject of a variety of studies, including studies on the long-term effects of both high level and low level exposure, ever since their discovery in the 19th century.

The point is that before we start getting HEAVILY DEPENDANT on this technology we should know the long term effects first.

I think you missed the bus on this one; we're already HEAVILY DEPENDANT on microwave technology. Cell phones, cordless phones, your microwave oven (the most efficient cooking source in your kitchen), radar of all sorts, your television, all of these give off microwaves. This goes completely without acknowledging the bombardment of microwaves our planet receives, day and night, from the sun and the universe at large.

 

[Bretty]

You do know that if the gain on a Microwave transmitter is turned up it can kill a person?

This is true. However, what you forgot to mention is that, in order to do this, you would have to turn up the gain to the point where people on the moon would be getting your wifi. Further, doing this would be kind of noticeable (the military is using microwaves in their nonlethal "pain ray") and would take several minutes that could be spent...y'know, getting out of the radius or finding adequate shielding.

OP: The point most critics of this 'deadly airwaves' controvosy is that scientists have NO idea what the long term effects are to adults or children.

Yes, actually, they do. Microwaves (and other forms of radiation) have been the subject of a variety of studies, including studies on the long-term effects of both high level and low level exposure, ever since their discovery in the 19th century.

The point is that before we start getting HEAVILY DEPENDANT on this technology we should know the long term effects first.

I think you missed the bus on this one; we're already HEAVILY DEPENDANT on microwave technology. Cell phones, cordless phones, your microwave oven (the most efficient cooking source in your kitchen), radar of all sorts, your television, all of these give off microwaves. This goes completely without acknowledging the bombardment of microwaves our planet receives, day and night, from the sun and the universe at large.

I am sorry.....

Microwave is a dead technology in communications. Ask any tech that specialized in it in the 90's. Satellite is the number one communication tool because of its ability to get through atmospherics. And there are stories of people being killed during heavy rain storms and being in front of the antenna when the gain had to be turned up.

Also no long term studies have been taken because actually mobility communications are not that old... Cell Phones are what 30 years? Even then they have only been widespread for what 15? 18? years?

Moon get your wifi, lol. Have you ever stood next to a Microwave transmission Dish? I have, let me tell you that in fact the energy required to get from a to b in a rainstorm is MORE than enough to actually cook someone without that mush exposure time (the fact that seconds would add years to your internal organs).

I myself HEAVILY depend on WIFI. My point is that if the school is facing a LARGE percentage of unexplained illness, isn't it wise to remove WiFi for a month or two to see if it truly effects this issue? You can try and refute my points as much as you want but I am highly confidant of my knowledge over yours regarding this.

Sure you can be a sheep and cry lol idiots like the other immature, un-opinionated idiots here or you can see that they did what the schools only recourse was and allow the parents fears to be belayed by removing wireless from kids that don't even NEED it, for a period of time that would make the parents see that blaming wireless was stupid.

 

[K9unittp]

@summerof2010:

For the most part your right about the electro magnetic frequency mostly being too small to harm us in anyway but Wi-fi and other technologies that use it usually have to use the forms that are harmful.

...One more thing, there have been thousands of proper articles published about this topic, although for me to find one that (to a crowd that is used to bullshit from FOX news) does not sound like MASS EFFECT HAS HARDCORE PORN DUIIIII!!!11!, would take me hours so i will leave that to you people.

I'm not trying to be contravertial and start a flame war and i completly agree with your argument as well, all i'm saying is that it is best to limit yourself to Wi-Fi and other wirless technologies.

 

[K9unittp]

(for whatever reason the quoting system is not working for me)
@olikunmissile: (This is not meant to be me being a dick either.)

By "prolonged exposure" i mean being in the vasinity of a router or just talking on my phone for too long even standing in front of a microwave oven while it is cooking. I had to completley get rid of my wirless router because of these migranes, and no it wasn't from the flu.
Let me be clear on this, i understand that Microwaves come from the sun as well however as summerof2010 stated "they are too small to harm us." Wirless technology uses microwaves to transmit information and for that reason uses the form that can be harmful.

@thyunda:
No, believe me, this is directly related to Wi-Fi.
Heres an article. http://www.masternewmedia.org/news/2006/04/24/true_dangers_of_mobile_phones.htm

@Desworks:
I didn't mean to compare them in a way that made them appear that similar, what i meant was to say they are both potentially harmful; what happens when you put your cat in a microwwave oven? And while both are very different they do both put out similar radiation although a microwave oven's is much more potent and as you stated "non-ionising."
I think you are missing the point in your last paragraph, while it is all true, we are concentrating on Wirless technology which is not non-ionising and will cause cancer long before it kills you.
As for the microwaves passing through earth from the sun, see above.

As i have said before and probably will say a thousand times, Wi-Fi is not completley dangerous and harmful however it is best to limit your exposure to it, which is what this school is doing.

 

[chynadoll]

seems like bs to me

 

[Nailz]

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The winner of the biggest invention of the year goes to you for making up literally everything you want to say and saying it without any regard to reality as if it actually was a response and not just pathological ranting. In days past we would have called you a seer and visionary but now we just call you schizophrenic. Herp-derp I hear voices so I yell at people. Talk about logic, I wonder if you've read any of the Organon. But honestly thank you, as twisted as it is mental deficients make me laugh. I wish you good luck in getting the ghosts to stop t-bagging you.

 

[TeleSkiingEMT]

And I suppose theres no chance that these kids are just milking it as an excuse to get out of school, right?

 

[VuvuZelaMan]

And I suppose theres no chance that these kids are just milking it as an excuse to get out of school, right?

But they're CHILDREN! They are too innocent to lie! [/sarcasm]

 

[Necromancer1991]

What, was it heating up the metal plate in his head and interfering with his pace maker.... wait what, what do you mean he has neither of those, oh if that's the case, I'm calling SHENANIGANS!

 

[luckycharms8282]

Dont know about this one. Is it just a bunch of people crying wolf over nothing? Or does wifi actually cause health problems? Im curious

 

[AnAngryMoose]

This just in: Earth's magnetic field causes unfortunate few to have headaches! BAN IT!!!!1!!1ELEVENSIES

This gave me a great laugh. Oh, those crazy Luddites and their hatred for modern technology.