School Uniform

[Shivarage]

Not all schools use a pass system

They should.

and even if they do security staff are humans, the guard could call in sick a replacement could be sourced who isn't aware of the policy

Are you honestly telling me that the replacement can't be briefed? "Hey man, kids need to have this pass in order to enter." Is it really so hard to do so?

The person at the office could be busy and miss something, these things happen.

And these things could happen either way an uniform was present or not.

How can you say apperance is not a factor in bullying? Its one of the main factors, bullies target people that don't fit in or are different. If your clothing is not as good as the rest of the kids because your family can't afford better then its going to show.

"Not as good as the rest of the kids"? What's that supposed to mean? Do you honestly believe kids are so insane that they will instantly check to see if the clothes you're wearing are from fucking GAP or not? It's all about behavior.

already said it doesn't solve the problem but it helps, the uniform goes someone to making everyone look similar instead of Group A wearing expensive designer cloths and group B wearing second hand clothes from the charity shop.

Designer clothes? What about the middle class? The kid who isn't rich but neither poor? Is he going to be bullied as well because he doesn't wear "designer clothes"? And who the hell wears designer clothes to school?

If a family is so poor that they can't even afford clothes and must receive them from charity(and to be honest, it's not about the brand but about how clean they are) then how the hell are they going to maintain an uniform giving that they wouldn't posses the money to buy a washing machine?

I Already said if a kid doesn't want to work they wont but for some kids it helps them get into the routine, read things properly.

You're making wild assumptions here. How does an uniform help kids get into their "routine"?

There is more ways into the school other than the front door, they could sneak round the back/side climbing the fence and get their friends from the inside to let them in the school. Once they are in the school grounds they can be identified.

Yeah, and is it really a bad thing that children who are not part of the school enter the grounds?

People could get bullied for wearing the same clothes because they can't afford more clothes. They could get bullied by other kids because of what they are wearing.(yes it's stupid but kids are cruel).

In my 12 years of school I have seen NO ONE being beaten for what they were wearing. EVERY SINGLE KID came to school dressed with the same pants for a few days and a different Shirt/Sweater. I don't understand why certain people have this obsession that if a kid dares not come dressed differently everyday he will be centered by the class and bullied to fucking oblivion. I could only hear this argument from parents who either never went to school or worry to much.

You wear those clothes when you are learning in school, so when you put those clothes on you know you are going into learn and not screw around. It gets you into the working mindset.

How does an uniform make you "know" you're going to learn and not fool around and how exactly does it put you into that "mindset"? Do you honestly believe an uniform has the magical ability to transform everyone into hard working pupils the moment they put it?

You are obviously very set against this, As in most debates I see no way of changing your opinion so im not going to bother, my point was it helps but you obviously don't see it that way, I was using my experience as a teacher which I think should count for something but hey what do I know.

The majority of teachers i knew were very stupid and only knew what their books tell them, even when the books were very wrong... being a teacher doesn't actually mean that much, one of my mates is dyslexic and he failed a year because the teacher he repeatedly asked to get him the help that he needed did not bother

 

[Jamieson 90]

The majority of teachers i knew were very stupid and only knew what their books tell them, even when the books were very wrong... being a teacher doesn't actually mean that much, one of my mates is dyslexic and he failed a year because the teacher he repeatedly asked to get him the help that he needed did not bother

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, I' am actually dyslexic myself although I also have a mild form of Dyspraxia as well as Mires Irlen syndrome. I to find that there was little help was offered to kids with problems when I was at school. I don't know how old you are but as a teacher now I can tell you that things have greatly improved, well at least where I work in my experience.

Actually being dyslexic myself helps me to spot kids that I think may have it and once they are diagnosed I find I can provide tips to ease the pressure and act as a role model and a form of inspiration.

You will also find that teachers have to go through more training these days to ensure they are qualified, in fact the bare minimum is a Degree and an A level in the chosen field. That is only speaking globally, I'm sure there are some very clever teachers out there that understand their subject yet are crap at getting kids to understand the main concepts etc.

As a teacher I'm not saying I know everything, because we are all humans and make mistakes, but my experience should count for something when debating an issue related to education in the same way you would listen to a doctor on a health issue etc.

 

[capin Rob]

I wouldn't mnd uniforms, As long as the girls's skirts are really short.

 

[Vrach]

Any compulsory arbitrary rule can go to hell as far as I'm concerned, people (and people are still people even before the age of 18) have a right to live their lives the way they want to as long as it doesn't directly negatively impact someone else's. That's of course just my 2 cents

 

[Serge A. Storms]

I grew up learning that one of the best and most important parts of "freedom of speech" was that everyone had it, and individuals weren't forced to express themselves like everyone else. The "price" was that you might not always like what other people say, but it's protected as long as it's not intruding on other people. That extends to how we present ourselves in public, and school's usually where we start to learn how to present ourselves on a daily basis. When the debate came up (and in a public school in North Atlanta, it was more of a token debate topic, at least while I was in school), I couldn't help but feel like uniforms were a superficial answer to a lot of deeper sociological issues. I also came to the conclusion that I didn't like people that ***** about how other people hung their pants too low or wore offensive t-shirts, and I ended up feeling like it was poetic justice that the judgemental little shits ended up being the only people to "suffer" from not having school uniforms.

 

[AWDMANOUT]

I live in Texas, where we have "regulated dress". We just have to wear certain things, but not specifically a uniform. A lot of people complain about it, but I don't see the big deal...

 

[Shivarage]

No worries, I'm 21 and now realize that all those years of hard work in school have done nothing for me

I tried for 3 months to get a job to only find letters of "not enough experience"

I have been working voluntary in a charity shop for 4 months now in the hopes that it will help me get a job, I just don't get a reply anymore

Each week i hear about people with no qualifications and no experience getting jobs and wondering wtf...

Edit: I have four gcse's BCCD and a national diploma equivalent to 2 A's and a C at A-level in performing arts (The difficulty of this topic is very underestimated)

 

[Uefascal]

Trakkies are cool though yeah!

 

[smurf_you]

EDIT: i really don't see any significant benefits from school uniforms.

My schools reasons are:

If someone from the outside has entered the school they can tell them apart.

Kids are less likely to be bullied about their clothes.

It shows you are ready to work.

See we still got bullied about our cause some people had to get theirs second hand, so its not that the clothes were different, it was just now they got to make fun of people who were to poor to get new ones. Also only half of my school had to wear the uniform. The sports and dance kids didn't have to cause the principal was afraid that if he enforced it, most of the parents would pull their kids out of the school..... *sighs*

 

[Uefascal]

With us it's the Tie wearing style!

 

[octafish]

EDIT: i really don't see any significant benefits from school uniforms.

My schools reasons are:

If someone from the outside has entered the school they can tell them apart.

Kids are less likely to be bullied about their clothes.

It shows you are ready to work.

It can keep parental cost down too. You buy two of everything and that is it. Done for a few years. Maybe new socks every now and then.

I aprove of school uniforms, however at the schools I went to you didn't have to wear a blazer at all, I never owned one. Never wore long pants either.

 

[Uefascal]

What about Ties?

 

[GodofDisaster]

My school uniform wasn't so bad except in the summer where the black Blazers made it difficult to wear, quite a few students fainted in our school assembly meetings during those really hot days. The jumpers really itched as well but you didn't have to wear those if you didn't want to.

Also near the end of each semester we got to wear our regular clothes in what the school called non uniform day and trust me the students looked so much more cheerful without the uniform we were different.

Oh and I and a lot of other people, hated the school logo.

Spoiler: The logo of Sperrin Intergrated College Magherafelt Northern Ireland.

 

[tigermilk]

yeah uniforms are a ***** but hey it is better than having to think about what you will wear in the morning (yeah i am that lazy!)

SO true... GIVE US NORWEGIANS SCHOOL UNIFORMS DAMMIT *Cries*

Or German school uniforms. Understandably they are rather sensitive about a 'uniformed youth'.

 

[Powereaver]

im glad i had 2 different uniforms at school.. a much looser more "normal" sports uniform which i ALWAYS wore.. and the more assemblydriven formal uniform which some pompous parents wanted us to wear for school occasions.. so im lucky i got to wear the sports uniform 4 days a week!

 

[EeveeElectro]

Well when I first started it was a blue or white shirt and dark blue jumper, tie, black pants or skirts and shoes. We could take our jumpers off in the heat though, and sometimes they'd let us take our ties off if it was too hot.
The year I started sixth form where you could wear what you wanted as long as it was smart, they changed the uniform to a shirt, jumper AND blazer. Made no sense to me, most of the kids used to carry their jumpers around with them.
I saw a school girl on the bus once and she was wearing the most tightest excuse for a school uniform ever. When she stood up, her arse was hanging out and the skirt was really clingy. It just barely covered her lady parts, she looked like a right scruffy tramp. I suppose she'd be even worse if the school didn't have uniform though.

 

[Colour Scientist]

I liked my school uniforms. It was easy to get dressed in the morning, I never had to worry about picking out something nice to wear, and it was reasonably comfortable.

It also made social cliques a little less pronounced so people could drift from group to group.

 

[Cazza]

My school's unifrom was a polo shirt and navy pants or shorts. I enjoyed the uniform. I could mass wash them with not problem. They were all the same colour.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

Had a school uniform when I went to Catholic School. Only thing nice about it was that I never had to think about to wear. Hmmmm let me think, light blue polo with dark blue pants or should I have the light blue polo with the dark blue pants?

Oh and some girls really like the whole school boy thing. I wouldn't be too quick to toss the uniform. Although I must admit, after I got to public school and could wear jeans and a worn t-shirt I never went back.

 

[Craorach]

School is not, and should not, ever, be about "expressing yourself" or any of that garbage. You can do that when you're earning your own money. What it should be about is preparing you for the real world, and in the real world you have to do what you are told sometimes, even dress as you are told, no matter how you feel.

I had a uniform all my childhood since I was schooled in the UK. I am also heavily goth in the way I dress and have been since I became a teenager (I'm now in my thirties). Several jobs I've had required me to also wear a uniform, and none would allow me to dress "how I wanted" because that's not what it is about. Uniforms, in school and in all settings, are about making sure that we are a united group and that people from outside that group are obvious.