School Uniform

[dex-dex]

yeah uniforms are a ***** but hey it is better than having to think about what you will wear in the morning (yeah i am that lazy!)

SO true... GIVE US NORWEGIANS SCHOOL UNIFORMS DAMMIT *Cries*

don't cry.
you can come to Canada if you like. it is very nice this time of year.

 

[Xojins]

I don't think uniforms are necessarily all that bad. I would actually like a dress code of a polo and khakis. But schools who require uniforms complete with shirt, tie, pants, and blazer bother me a little. It comes off as pretentious.

 

[Oktanas]

why the hell are you going to school in summer in the first place???

And I hate school uniforms.

 

[blaqknoise]

I'm from Canada, I've never had to wear a school uniform, which makes me happy. The uniforms look stupid....

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Not all schools use a pass system

They should.

and even if they do security staff are humans, the guard could call in sick a replacement could be sourced who isn't aware of the policy

Are you honestly telling me that the replacement can't be briefed? "Hey man, kids need to have this pass in order to enter." Is it really so hard to do so?

The person at the office could be busy and miss something, these things happen.

And these things could happen either way an uniform was present or not.

How can you say apperance is not a factor in bullying? Its one of the main factors, bullies target people that don't fit in or are different. If your clothing is not as good as the rest of the kids because your family can't afford better then its going to show.

"Not as good as the rest of the kids"? What's that supposed to mean? Do you honestly believe kids are so insane that they will instantly check to see if the clothes you're wearing are from fucking GAP or not? It's all about behavior.

already said it doesn't solve the problem but it helps, the uniform goes someone to making everyone look similar instead of Group A wearing expensive designer cloths and group B wearing second hand clothes from the charity shop.

Designer clothes? What about the middle class? The kid who isn't rich but neither poor? Is he going to be bullied as well because he doesn't wear "designer clothes"? And who the hell wears designer clothes to school?

If a family is so poor that they can't even afford clothes and must receive them from charity(and to be honest, it's not about the brand but about how clean they are) then how the hell are they going to maintain an uniform giving that they wouldn't posses the money to buy a washing machine?

I Already said if a kid doesn't want to work they wont but for some kids it helps them get into the routine, read things properly.

You're making wild assumptions here. How does an uniform help kids get into their "routine"?

There is more ways into the school other than the front door, they could sneak round the back/side climbing the fence and get their friends from the inside to let them in the school. Once they are in the school grounds they can be identified.

Yeah, and is it really a bad thing that children who are not part of the school enter the grounds?

People could get bullied for wearing the same clothes because they can't afford more clothes. They could get bullied by other kids because of what they are wearing.(yes it's stupid but kids are cruel).

In my 12 years of school I have seen NO ONE being beaten for what they were wearing. EVERY SINGLE KID came to school dressed with the same pants for a few days and a different Shirt/Sweater. I don't understand why certain people have this obsession that if a kid dares not come dressed differently everyday he will be centered by the class and bullied to fucking oblivion. I could only hear this argument from parents who either never went to school or worry to much.

You wear those clothes when you are learning in school, so when you put those clothes on you know you are going into learn and not screw around. It gets you into the working mindset.

How does an uniform make you "know" you're going to learn and not fool around and how exactly does it put you into that "mindset"? Do you honestly believe an uniform has the magical ability to transform everyone into hard working pupils the moment they put it?

 

[jaammiie]

They are neccesary but blazers are too much in hot areas.

It gets hot in London?

It's the hottest place in the country, probably de to all the buildings though. Can get to about 30 degrees Celsius here so with no air conditioning it gets unbearable at times.

 

[thylasos]

why the hell are you going to school in summer in the first place???

And I hate school uniforms.

The school year finishes in mid to late July, in the UK, unless you're doing your GCSEs or A-levels.

Personally, I'm in favour of uniforms. Which means something when you take into account that mine was black trousers (of a specific make, sold in the town centre in one shop), a purple blazer with the school badge on it, and the motto of the "house" you're placed in (in mediaeval French), smart black leather shoes, a purple tie of the same shade. (The blazer, badge, and tie are also from the shop mentioned earlier.)

Boys Grammar school, up to sixth form, when they let in 40 girls. I was at the school in this uniform until the ages of 16, when I entered sixth form, and was allowed to wear a very smart suit with jacket and tie.

I should also emphasise that I've had facial hair since I was 13 my normal hair grows very quickly, and the uniform policy extended to not allowing hair below the collar, or facial hair of any variety. No unbuttoning of shirts. No taking off of ties.

Short-sleeved shirts permissible in summer.

And I'm still quite behind the idea of uniforms, for reasons elaborated on earlier in the thread.

 

[El Poncho]

There is more ways into the school other than the front door, they could sneak round the back/side climbing the fence and get their friends from the inside to let them in the school. Once they are in the school grounds they can be identified.

Yeah, and is it really a bad thing that children who are not part of the school enter the grounds?

People could get bullied for wearing the same clothes because they can't afford more clothes. They could get bullied by other kids because of what they are wearing.(yes it's stupid but kids are cruel).

In my 12 years of school I have seen NO ONE being beaten for what they were wearing. EVERY SINGLE KID came to school dressed with the same pants for a few days and a different Shirt/Sweater. I don't understand why certain people have this obsession that if a kid dares not come dressed differently everyday he will be centered by the class and bullied to fucking oblivion. I could only hear this argument from parents who either never went to school or worry to much.

You wear those clothes when you are learning in school, so when you put those clothes on you know you are going into learn and not screw around. It gets you into the working mindset.

How does an uniform make you "know" you're going to learn and not fool around and how exactly does it put you into that "mindset"? Do you honestly believe an uniform has the magical ability to transform everyone into hard working pupils the moment they put it?

1. Well in one of my previous posts I did mention kids from other schools entering the school grounds to start a fight, I also stated it has happened before and he was caught before it could happen.

2. Not every school is like yours. My area isn't the richest of areas, a lot of kids can't get much. Also bullying isn't only physical, it is also verbal, they can get teased for wearing certain clothes lowering their self esteem. As stated before, kids are cruel and will find whatever excuse they can to bring someone down and clothes give them an easy target.

3. It's psychological. Your sub-concious mind identifies those clothes with learning. It happens with other activities, not necessarily clothes are the item you would identify, but for school a uniform usually does the trick.

 

[Mr Montmorency]

You wear those clothes when you are learning in school, so when you put those clothes on you know you are going into learn and not screw around. It gets you into the working mindset.

Shittest excuse ever.

What I wear has no effect on my abilities to learn and absorb information.

 

[Jamieson 90]

Not all schools use a pass system

They should.

and even if they do security staff are humans, the guard could call in sick a replacement could be sourced who isn't aware of the policy

Are you honestly telling me that the replacement can't be briefed? "Hey man, kids need to have this pass in order to enter." Is it really so hard to do so?

The person at the office could be busy and miss something, these things happen.

And these things could happen either way an uniform was present or not.

How can you say apperance is not a factor in bullying? Its one of the main factors, bullies target people that don't fit in or are different. If your clothing is not as good as the rest of the kids because your family can't afford better then its going to show.

"Not as good as the rest of the kids"? What's that supposed to mean? Do you honestly believe kids are so insane that they will instantly check to see if the clothes you're wearing are from fucking GAP or not? It's all about behavior.

already said it doesn't solve the problem but it helps, the uniform goes someone to making everyone look similar instead of Group A wearing expensive designer cloths and group B wearing second hand clothes from the charity shop.

Designer clothes? What about the middle class? The kid who isn't rich but neither poor? Is he going to be bullied as well because he doesn't wear "designer clothes"? And who the hell wears designer clothes to school?

If a family is so poor that they can't even afford clothes and must receive them from charity(and to be honest, it's not about the brand but about how clean they are) then how the hell are they going to maintain an uniform giving that they wouldn't posses the money to buy a washing machine?

I Already said if a kid doesn't want to work they wont but for some kids it helps them get into the routine, read things properly.

You're making wild assumptions here. How does an uniform help kids get into their "routine"?

There is more ways into the school other than the front door, they could sneak round the back/side climbing the fence and get their friends from the inside to let them in the school. Once they are in the school grounds they can be identified.

Yeah, and is it really a bad thing that children who are not part of the school enter the grounds?

People could get bullied for wearing the same clothes because they can't afford more clothes. They could get bullied by other kids because of what they are wearing.(yes it's stupid but kids are cruel).

In my 12 years of school I have seen NO ONE being beaten for what they were wearing. EVERY SINGLE KID came to school dressed with the same pants for a few days and a different Shirt/Sweater. I don't understand why certain people have this obsession that if a kid dares not come dressed differently everyday he will be centered by the class and bullied to fucking oblivion. I could only hear this argument from parents who either never went to school or worry to much.

You wear those clothes when you are learning in school, so when you put those clothes on you know you are going into learn and not screw around. It gets you into the working mindset.

How does an uniform make you "know" you're going to learn and not fool around and how exactly does it put you into that "mindset"? Do you honestly believe an uniform has the magical ability to transform everyone into hard working pupils the moment they put it?

You are obviously very set against this, As in most debates I see no way of changing your opinion so im not going to bother, my point was it helps but you obviously don't see it that way, I was using my experience as a teacher which I think should count for something but hey what do I know.

 

[Mr.Pandah]

I can't see an argument against them, nor do I see one entirely justifying their existence. I enjoyed wearing them throughout my years at Catholic School. I also think school uniforms are extremely hot on girls. Stockings+skirts.

 

[Mr Montmorency]

People could get bullied for wearing the same clothes because they can't afford more clothes. They could get bullied by other kids because of what they are wearing.(yes it's stupid but kids are cruel).

Can't afford more clothes?! Fuck off, do you know how much uniforms cost? Give or take, it's over double the cost of any ordinary clothing item because it's tailor made for the school. If anything, it means nothing because then the indication for poor kids would be the ones who can't afford the uniform instead - making the whole idea mute in the first place.

Also, poor kids are never the ones who are bullied. The poor kids are the ones who do bully. They're poor for a reason, it's because they have shitty parents, ego, they're pricks. I know. I went to school with kids who never bothered wearing uniforms and turned up in tracksuit bottoms and Nike shoes - chavs.

You're really DIGGING now.

 

[William Dickbringer]

Well I'm from America and most schools don't have a uniform... but I really wish they did. Before, I had to wake up every morning and get the same outfit together... I didn't really like it that much at the time, but then the next year I went to a public school and everyone was dressed like idiots. I swear, everyone was sagging their pants or wearing skinny jeans or something equally dumb... I wish we had uniforms.

oh trust me we have a dress code (it's kinda like a uniform) and people STILL get around the saying not to have sagging pants and it sucks even worst when someone goes by a teacher with sagging pants and don't get caught and another person walks by without a belt and the teachers sends them to the office
p.s. I live in the us

 

[Mr Montmorency]

You are obviously very set against this, As in most debates I see no way of changing your opinion so im not going to bother, my point was it helps but you obviously don't see it that way, I was using my experience as a teacher which I think should count for something but hey what do I know.

Your position as a teacher gives you no pull in this argument seeing as you don't wear a uniform anyway and don't know the problems people have to deal with when they're forced to.

If you're not going to bother, then you've given up and lost because you have no points. Don't act as if you're all high and mighty about it by playing the authority card.

 

[Abedeus]

You are hating it, bro?

Hehe. I finished elementary school about two years before they made school uniforms mandatory, and my junior high had simple "wear black/blue/white shirt with blue pants and you're okay". No stripes or patterns, though, so a lot of idiots had trouble with that.

My current high school has no policy like that. So we can see every type of cloth, from metals (one or two in my own class), punk (one in class), emo (thank God only 3 or 4 in the whole school), casuals (several, including me and my buds) and probably some cases of the "OMIGOSH PINK UNICORNS!" jail baits.

People could get bullied for wearing the same clothes because they can't afford more clothes. They could get bullied by other kids because of what they are wearing.(yes it's stupid but kids are cruel).

Can't afford more clothes?! Fuck off, do you know how much uniforms cost? Give or take, it's over double the cost of any ordinary clothing item because it's tailor made for the school. If anything, it means nothing because then the indication for poor kids would be the ones who can't afford the uniform instead - making the whole idea mute in the first place.

Also, poor kids are never the ones who are bullied. The poor kids are the ones who do bully. They're poor for a reason, it's because they have shitty parents, ego, they're pricks. I know. I went to school with kids who never bothered wearing uniforms and turned up in tracksuit bottoms and Nike shoes - chavs.

You're really DIGGING now.

My mom is a teacher in elementary school. You know how much you must spend in early grades, while the brats are still growing (unless we stunt them... but that'd be illegal and boring)? At least 3 sets of uniforms. Why?

Day one, kid falls to the ground. Dirty, needs to be cleaned and dried. Change clothes for tomorrow.
Day two, kid eats something, or someone else stains his t-shirt. Oops, change clothes. If it's ketchup, burn and buy another pair.
Day three, another set ruined because someone had a nosebleed. Unless you have extremely good cleanser, you must throw out another set.

Oh, and if a kid grows out of his pants or shirt, you must buy a new SET. You can't buy just the shirt or pants. And you won't wear the same uniform for winter as for summer. So not only you must buy NORMAL clothes for holidays and vacations, you must buy at least one or two sets for winter alone.


...And it all gets thrown out or recycled when the kid grows out of their clothes or finishes the school. Because the chances of another school having the exact same uniform is... well, impossible.

 

[newfoundsky]

I am for all women in uniform. Ahem.

I had to wear them in middle school. A public middle school. In Florida >.<

Needless to say, dark colors, no air conditioning, and Florida steambake heat does not mix. How did I cope? Transferred schools.

 

[El Poncho]

People could get bullied for wearing the same clothes because they can't afford more clothes. They could get bullied by other kids because of what they are wearing.(yes it's stupid but kids are cruel).

Can't afford more clothes?! Fuck off, do you know how much uniforms cost? Give or take, it's over double the cost of any ordinary clothing item because it's tailor made for the school. If anything, it means nothing because then the indication for poor kids would be the ones who can't afford the uniform instead - making the whole idea mute in the first place.

Also, poor kids are never the ones who are bullied. The poor kids are the ones who do bully. They're poor for a reason, it's because they have shitty parents, ego, they're pricks. I know. I went to school with kids who never bothered wearing uniforms and turned up in tracksuit bottoms and Nike shoes - chavs.

You're really DIGGING now.

You could get a school uniform relatively cheap if you go to the right places. A white shirt, some school trousers and the school tie. You could get that for cheap easy.

Richer kids are just as likely to bully as any other kid because they could deem themselves better than the poor kids because their parents have more money. They can become spoiled which can make them think they are all that matters.

The kids who turn up in tracksuits and Nike shoes have usually given up on school already and are causing trouble, they wouldn't think twice about being bullied because they think they are big and tough and would start a fight over it.

 

[Jamieson 90]

You are obviously very set against this, As in most debates I see no way of changing your opinion so im not going to bother, my point was it helps but you obviously don't see it that way, I was using my experience as a teacher which I think should count for something but hey what do I know.

Your position as a teacher gives you no pull in this argument seeing as you don't wear a uniform anyway and don't know the problems people have to deal with when they're forced to.

If you're not going to bother, then you've given up and lost because you have no points. Don't act as if you're all high and mighty about it by playing the authority card.

You know just because I teach doesn't mean I don't wear a uniform you know I still wear a shirt and look respectful and even when I was a kid I wore a uniform so don't say I know nothing about the subject. I have points but you don't consider them valid for some reason when others have pointed them out and agreed with them.

I have not lost, in fact how can you lose when an opinion is subjective? a discussion is two people trying to convince each other that their viewpoint is the best, just because I see no point in trying to debate with you means I have lost it just means I see no reason to try and convince you anymore because you wont change your mind so I' am not going to waste my breath.

 

[soapyshooter]

American here
I'd rather have a uniform. No more time wasted picking out what to wear. I'm in college now but if I had a uni in school I would've saved at least $600 a year. That's a lot of dough

 

[DSK-]

Yeah when I was in school it was dark trousers and blazers. I really hated that. I sympathise, OP.